By burning it? That's a waste because it is far more efficient to simply burn it in a car's engine.
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I’ll leave this here for your perusal
Oh and brakes typically last 3X longer than ICE counterparts… look up regen braking
Oh and brakes typically last 3X longer than ICE counterparts… look up regen braking
When you're ready to let your Dodge truck, or any gas powered vehicle idle in your bedroom while you sleep, you're ready to believe that report.
Think about it
An official website of the United States government. What else could they say.I’ll leave this here for your perusal
Oh and brakes typically last 3X longer than ICE counterparts… look up regen braking
Yes I read about the brakes, very handy in stop and go traffic, no so much on the highway. Did you read about the tires? They wear out super fast because of all the added weight in an EV, an EV can be half as heavy again as it's ice counterpart. Makes them more dangerous in a crash too, because momentum = mass x velocity (speed).
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Come on man. Stop with the alternate facts! It's all about taking responsibility for your .000000017% of greenhouse gases.
/sarcasm for the slower ones
I've read many similar reports and all say the same thing, I just chose to attach that one....there were several.
EV is the narrative being pushed by the current governmental administration of both our countries...it doesn't mean that they are the answer.
Far more can be done to make ICE more efficient and not all of it is mechanical, much of it is how it is being used...
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I’m a gear head as well. I have both and I’ve put a lot of miles on both. I haven’t had to service my EV in the last 25k miles. My ICE vehicles have had multiple oil changes and countless fuel ups. Tires will be replaced at 30k on my EV and I drive the absolute piss out of it…. All I’m saying is that my carbon footprint after purchase has been way less than any ICE vehicle I have ever owned to include my bike. Can’t wait to hit that money mile where I have offset the emissions of production. You can never do this with an ICE! Small percentages add up to a larger one. I don’t expect the naysayers to rush out and buy an EV but the world is changing around them and soon enough they’ll have to make a change or get left out. That is, unless those guys plan on drilling, extracting and refining that Dino juice themselves.
@Bumblebee I agree, improving ICE is great and hybridizing vehicles is a great start. That new Ram looks promising. Just like anything, change can be difficult and there will always be extreme outliers such as your case where the grid and remoteness keep today’s EV options off the table, but for the majority, its a viable alternative to ICE vehicles.
@Bumblebee I agree, improving ICE is great and hybridizing vehicles is a great start. That new Ram looks promising. Just like anything, change can be difficult and there will always be extreme outliers such as your case where the grid and remoteness keep today’s EV options off the table, but for the majority, its a viable alternative to ICE vehicles.
Yeah lol. Facts are a bitch aren't they. I'm still waiting for someone to tell what they plan to do with the billions of barrels of gasoline that will be produced as a byproduct of diesel and plastic bags manufacture. I don't expect a serious answer though, what I expect is that the EV will find it's niche as an inner-city runaround for the middleclass and the rest of the world will stay with gasoline.
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@Oz22 i don’t need to read about it, I live it. Emergency braking situations are rare on the highway unless you dive like a total idiot. My truck can out-brake most trucks on the road today but you don’t have to take my word for it. WORLD EXCLUSIVE: We Tested the 2022 Rivian R1T and It's the Quickest and Best-Handling Truck Ever | Edmunds
I’ll be anxiously waiting for your counter FaCtS
I’ll be anxiously waiting for your counter FaCtS
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We need better EV solutions than what Tesla offers. I give Elon a lot of credit. If it weren't for him, there would be no EV movement. And while I don't agree with him, he genuinely does seem to be willing to make his tech open source for all to use. That will give more sources the ability to get better at improving it.
It does become pretty suspect when people try and make claims like EVs don't have a fire issue compared to ICE. Then present data that does not show one incidence of a Tesla catching fire in the data. The highest percentage of EVs sold with the most widely seen fire issues, not shown in their chosen data. Not sure who they feel are being fooled. Tesla owners or ICE owners. Or maybe they are blind where they choose to be blind. They simply can't acknowledge that Tesla is an EV that despite its numbers, has done little to bring about a move in the needle of the overall problem at this stage. Until you can make it accessible for all and practical for all, it will remain a fringe experiment.
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Your EV has good brakes, congratulations. But that won't help if you slam into something at speed, that's where the added weight will work against you. The extra mass, a function of the Huge battery, will mean you get squashed more. So as long as you never crash, all will be good.
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Well they did away with horses and the economy created around them. Then it was steam doing the work.. Coal is still a major producer of power in not only the U.S. but most nations that produce any electricity. But you can phase it out. As long as you can replace it with something. We can slowly back out of fossil fuels until they can disappear. But nobody is willing to crash economies to do so. And right now fossil fuels are going to take a while to phase out. We could do clean nuclear right now. But humans are slow to adopt it. Humans can also equal politics.
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Totally true statement. They are already recognizing that all our highway guardrail systems would have to be torn out and redesigned for the expected added mass you point out. Years.....and Billions to do.
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I’m not speaking from a place of ignorance. I’m in and have been in the industry for a while now. Most EV’s have good brakes and with the assist of regen, will outperform their ICE counterparts. A lot of your concern could be mitigated with better driving behavior. Let’s not forget the all the additional driver aids offered today ranging from radar to video. Yes more mass means more energy but times have changed and crumple zones have been implemented. And with time these things will improve.
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guess we should pull all the duallys’ off the road since mass is such a major I concern.
Yes 0-0, better driving, like AI autonomous driving, though that transition seems to have gone into hiding...
I was never actually an opponent of the EV, back in the 00's when toyota was selling it's Pri-arse I could see a practical place for them. Then Musk turned the concept into a luxury sports car and soon after the trucks came rolling off the assembly line. I knew then the idea was doomed. The only way they made sense to me was as low weight low power personal transporters. Now they weight 2 tons and the batteries have to be massive just to lug all that weight around. It's like a Saturn-5, 95% of the fuel is needed just to get the fuel up into orbit. Practical for a lunar excursions but not so for cars in an energy starved future.
Nissan had the right idea with the Leaf I thought, and I looked into them in detail, nearly bought one in fact! Then I discovered the articles about battery degradation and the cost of replacement. It simply didn't make economic sense to me. Oh and I have extensive rooftop solar as well, 10kVA worth, enough to make a good profit off the power company. I'll stick with my ICE 4x4, 14 years old and going strong, and with my motorcycles.
I was never actually an opponent of the EV, back in the 00's when toyota was selling it's Pri-arse I could see a practical place for them. Then Musk turned the concept into a luxury sports car and soon after the trucks came rolling off the assembly line. I knew then the idea was doomed. The only way they made sense to me was as low weight low power personal transporters. Now they weight 2 tons and the batteries have to be massive just to lug all that weight around. It's like a Saturn-5, 95% of the fuel is needed just to get the fuel up into orbit. Practical for a lunar excursions but not so for cars in an energy starved future.
Nissan had the right idea with the Leaf I thought, and I looked into them in detail, nearly bought one in fact! Then I discovered the articles about battery degradation and the cost of replacement. It simply didn't make economic sense to me. Oh and I have extensive rooftop solar as well, 10kVA worth, enough to make a good profit off the power company. I'll stick with my ICE 4x4, 14 years old and going strong, and with my motorcycles.
The chief executive of European electric car maker Polestar has claimed drivers “scared of change” are to blame for the slowing uptake of electric vehicles
You're to Blame!
So now the blame game starts lol. It's not the problems associated with EV's that are to blame, it's the consumers, being scared. Whatever happened to choice? If we want one we buy one, it's our choice, no need to try and shame us into one.
The five stages of grief – denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance
These are followed anytime something goes right off the rails. For a while the industry was in denial as the rate of sales growth (Not EV car sales) began to fall. Now they are entering the Anger stage, looking around to blame anyone they can. The order of the stages isn't always the same and last year we saw the 'bargaining stage' where sellers all dropped their prices to try and improve flagging sales. "Please buy an EV, here, we'll drop the price for you" Of course a lot of manufacturers are already in the depression stage with their collapsed share prices. The acceptance stage will come with bankruptcy. Ford, Apple, VW an other big players are ahead of the curve and are already there, slashing production and cancelling EV projects.
Understanding the five stages of grief
British Electric Van Maker Arrival Collapses
British electric van manufacturer Arrival, once valued at an impressive $13 billion (£10 billion), has declared bankruptcy, raising red flags about the broader electric vehicle (EV) market. oops That wasn't supposed to happen? EV trucks are the future.
You're to Blame!
So now the blame game starts lol. It's not the problems associated with EV's that are to blame, it's the consumers, being scared. Whatever happened to choice? If we want one we buy one, it's our choice, no need to try and shame us into one.
The five stages of grief – denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance
These are followed anytime something goes right off the rails. For a while the industry was in denial as the rate of sales growth (Not EV car sales) began to fall. Now they are entering the Anger stage, looking around to blame anyone they can. The order of the stages isn't always the same and last year we saw the 'bargaining stage' where sellers all dropped their prices to try and improve flagging sales. "Please buy an EV, here, we'll drop the price for you" Of course a lot of manufacturers are already in the depression stage with their collapsed share prices. The acceptance stage will come with bankruptcy. Ford, Apple, VW an other big players are ahead of the curve and are already there, slashing production and cancelling EV projects.
Understanding the five stages of grief
British Electric Van Maker Arrival Collapses
British electric van manufacturer Arrival, once valued at an impressive $13 billion (£10 billion), has declared bankruptcy, raising red flags about the broader electric vehicle (EV) market. oops That wasn't supposed to happen? EV trucks are the future.
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Apple’s long development cycles is the reason for the pull out.
Ford has a skunk works (actively hiring) team developing and affordable line of EV’s
Polestar = Volvo not going anywhere
Speaking of Volvo check out their class 8 and recent acquisition of proterra
I could go on but I am replying via a mobile phone and feel like it would fall on deaf ears. If you are truly interested in becoming enlightened on current EV trends and projections from a real source we can take this discussion elsewhere. Not angry and not in denial but if the EV industry was doomed I’d be looking at other jobs and would be spouting the same FUD propaganda as you are. I’ll leave you with this:
Building any vehicle is difficult, scaling production is even more challenging. It’s good to have disruptive technology in the loop as it pushes new developments and spurs competition. Every major OEM, commercial and passenger car, have active BEV development projects. Alliances are being formed and some interesting acquisitions are happening. Don’t hold your breath for this industry to collapse.
Apple’s long development cycles is the reason for the pull out.
Ford has a skunk works (actively hiring) team developing and affordable line of EV’s
Polestar = Volvo not going anywhere
Speaking of Volvo check out their class 8 and recent acquisition of proterra
I could go on but I am replying via a mobile phone and feel like it would fall on deaf ears. If you are truly interested in becoming enlightened on current EV trends and projections from a real source we can take this discussion elsewhere. Not angry and not in denial but if the EV industry was doomed I’d be looking at other jobs and would be spouting the same FUD propaganda as you are. I’ll leave you with this:
Building any vehicle is difficult, scaling production is even more challenging. It’s good to have disruptive technology in the loop as it pushes new developments and spurs competition. Every major OEM, commercial and passenger car, have active BEV development projects. Alliances are being formed and some interesting acquisitions are happening. Don’t hold your breath for this industry to collapse.
The oil industry will never go away as even EV rely on oil production for plastics used in EV not to mention the extraction of raw materials for batteries as all of this is done via ICE vehicles of some sort. And these mining operations are very intrusive and environmentally destructive.
EV is only shifting one vice for another.....one is the direct burning of fossil fuels, the other is the burning of fossil fuels to produce electricity to charge EV....
I posted a video some posts back that went into the off-set of EV verses ICE....that video seems to have not been viewed.
North America, Europe, Australia and NZ are but a drop in the hat of global carbon emissions when it comes to countries like China, India and Pakistan which produce more of a carbon foot print than the entire western civilizations combined...
Hell, many of these countries still use 2 strokes on the streets....and lots of them....
What is being done to lower the carbon footprint of these countries....? Nothing is the answer to that question......
Until we do, anything we do (although is beneficial), will do very little to nothing to affect global climate change
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