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Currently there is an unbalance in how power is globally distributed....some countries use coal and gas, others use nuclear and "green" sources.....there are alternatives but they are costly and in some cases in their infancy but need to be fostered, shutting all research and development off isn't the answer and it's not very forward thinking.....

As the world stumbles along accepting and embracing the status quo, the earth itself suffers......this has been proven during the pandemic when the restriction of driving made smog disappear in major Asian and South Asian cities....

What price to we place on the future for our children and grandchildren....nobody in my parent's generation could care less about any environmental impacts of pretty much anything....open air nuclear detonations, dumping trash off the coasts, and the list goes on and on....

When we are gone and buried, who will champion our causes? Who in the future will look back fondly on our actions to make the earth a better place and preserve it?

The future is what matters.......
I agree... the future is what matters... when fraud and corruption are replaced with integrity and truth the world will transform quickly... until then... the cheaters will keep cheating.

The culture of America has been invaded by a bunch of sickos... that toxic masculinity crap and other stuff not worth mentioning... A couple members of the View are finding out how expensive it is to get everything woke they stand for and is considered slanderous at times... its going to cost them. The Associated press is also finding out that the Gulf of America is real... they won't give up their DEI wokeness and other under mining rhetoric so as to not have a press pass in the White House briefing room...

Cultural shifting isn't what made America the country it once was... Constitutional alignment is where we get headed in the right direction... Most of the countries founders were young and smart...
 
I agree... the future is what matters... when fraud and corruption are replaced with integrity and truth the world will transform quickly... until then... the cheaters will keep cheating.

The culture of America has been invaded by a bunch of sickos... that toxic masculinity crap and other stuff not worth mentioning... A couple members of the View are finding out how expensive it is to get everything woke they stand for and is considered slanderous at times... its going to cost them. The Associated press is also finding out that the Gulf of America is real... they won't give up their DEI wokeness and other under mining rhetoric so as to not have a press pass in the White House briefing room...

Cultural shifting isn't what made America the country it once was... Constitutional alignment is where we get headed in the right direction... Most of the countries founders were young and smart...
Please keep your political rhetoric to yourself or in the appropriate section...

I find myself caring less and less about politics and the idiotic rhetoric that surrounds it....

I would rather place my thoughts into more relevant issues.

You will find that in 4 yrs, there will be a shift and the US will be 4 yrs behind other countries that are encouraging research and development to continue......and not in EV but other fields as well.
 
Currently there is an unbalance in how power is globally distributed...

As the world stumbles along accepting and embracing the status quo, the earth itself suffers......this has been proven during the pandemic when the restriction of driving made smog disappear in major Asian and South Asian cities....
It's interesting to look around the globe at the poorer nations, Venezuela, Sri Lanka, Myan Mar etc. They used to call them the developing world because back in the 70's the green revolution coupled with low oil prices saw the inhabitants enjoying better and better living standards. That has been in reverse for a number of years now and nothing can correct it, they simply can't afford the all the oil and Gas based fertilizers they want. So they are leading the transition so to speak. So yes the power distribution is unbalanced, but that's life on Earth, always has been always will be. I have looked into these so called alternatives to oil, as the mass media portrays them, and see nothing that can come close to replacing fossil fuels. Sure, if we consume half the fuels produced today and cover the planet with wind turbines we can enjoy clean energy, but what replaces them in 20 years? And what happens to the global economy in the mean time? It collapses of course. It's barely holding together now.

As as I said above, "Alternatives" do nothing to help the fertilizer and plastics industry, the steel industry, the cement industry, the mining industry, all of which can only be practically powered by FF. In short, we can't transition our civilization to electric power, that's just a political dream designed to keep us quiet and consuming product, like expensive electric cars. If they had started in the 70's with the first oil shocks and built cycle-ways on a massive scale most of the populations of the cities could be mobile on bicycles and light electric 4-wheelers now instead of cars. That would have drastically reduced oil consumption. Just like it was in China 25 years ago... But no one wants to give up anything do they BB. You don't want to give up your busa do you, or your car. And what if a progressive government demanded you surrender them and ride an electric bus or a pushbike, you'd be up in arms I guarantee it!

The future will be the future and it will be up to those living in it to solve their own problems. Our parents and their parents started us down this road and we don't look back and accuse them of being wasteful and stupid, even though all the evidence was available back then that coal and oil was a dead end. We're just the generation living in the transition to "No Oil". The Millennials and the Zoomers are not changing, they buy cars and get new iphones every year, If they were totally fretful over it they should be the ones dialing back on FF use but they consume just like us Wiser older folk. No, the future will take care of itself, and it will probably be a better future too without all the cars running around and the electric lights burning all night. people might actually get out and look at the stars! They'll certainly be doing more physical work, which will be better than munching cheetos in front of a screen or pushing a mouse across a desk like most do now.


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It's interesting to look around the globe at the poorer nations, Venezuela, Sri Lanka, Myan Mar etc. They used to call them the developing world because back in the 70's the green revolution coupled with low oil prices saw the inhabitants enjoying better and better living standards. That has been in reverse for a number of years now and nothing can correct it, they simply can't afford the all the oil and Gas based fertilizers they want. So they are leading the transition so to speak. So yes the power distribution is unbalanced, but that's life on Earth, always has been always will be. I have looked into these so called alternatives to oil, as the mass media portrays them, and see nothing that can come close to replacing fossil fuels. Sure, if we consume half the fuels produced today and cover the planet with wind turbines we can enjoy clean energy, but what replaces them in 20 years? And what happens to the global economy in the mean time? It collapses of course. It's barely holding together now.

As as I said above, "Alternatives" do nothing to help the fertilizer and plastics industry, the steel industry, the cement industry, the mining industry, all of which can only be practically powered by FF. In short, we can't transition our civilization to electric power, that's just a political dream designed to keep us quiet and consuming product, like expensive electric cars. If they had started in the 70's with the first oil shocks and built cycle-ways on a massive scale most of the populations of the cities could be mobile on bicycles and light electric 4-wheelers now instead of cars. That would have drastically reduced oil consumption. Just like it was in China 25 years ago... But no one wants to give up anything do they BB. You don't want to give up your busa do you, or your car. And what if a progressive government demanded you surrender them and ride an electric bus or a pushbike, you'd be up in arms I guarantee it!

The future will be the future and it will be up to those living in it to solve their own problems. Our parents and their parents started us down this road and we don't look back and accuse them of being wasteful and stupid, even though all the evidence was available back then that coal and oil was a dead end. We're just the generation living in the transition to "No Oil". The Millennials and the Zoomers are not changing, they buy cars and get new iphones every year, If they were totally fretful over it they should be the ones dialing back on FF use but they consume just like us Wiser older folk. No, the future will take care of itself, and it will probably be a better future too without all the cars running around and the electric lights burning all night. people might actually get out and look at the stars! They'll certainly be doing more physical work, which will be better than munching cheetos in front of a screen or pushing a mouse across a desk like most do now.


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I don't know what to say.......

I'm not pro-EV however I am pro research and development of alternative power and fuel systems which are more efficient and reliable.

I have always established that it is the human ideology and society that needs to change above all else.....the need for hours long commutes should be omitted....people need to live closer to where they live like it once was....everyone wants to live in distant sub divisions which eats up agricultural lands and creates more need for longer commutes....

I remember when I was in Toronto (our largest city) the main hiway looked like a parking lot for hours on end with tens if not hundreds of thousands of vehicles creeping along while people are commuting to work....and that's in conjunction with lots of public transportation (subways, trains and buses). Until this changes there will be a huge need for personal transportation of some sort.....EV could take the pressure off of petroleum use.......but it needs to be developed and supported better to do so.

All in all, in the end we will be gone and it will become the problem of our children and their children.....
 
I don't think we're there yet. I think pure EV's are still in the development stage and I'm hoping that something in the way of a major change to them re the power source and materials is coming. It may not be in my lifetime, but hopefully next generations or two.
I think to best option for now is Hybrid, for me anyway. In countries where you can drive for many hours between any sort of civilization, I think hybrids are the way to go.
 
Please keep your political rhetoric to yourself or in the appropriate section...

I find myself caring less and less about politics and the idiotic rhetoric that surrounds it....

I would rather place my thoughts into more relevant issues.

You will find that in 4 yrs, there will be a shift and the US will be 4 yrs behind other countries that are encouraging research and development to continue......and not in EV but other fields as well.
Some how, some way you seem to think that telling people where the boundary lines are in a conversation is something others should follow.

What kind of mentality is that?

Of anybody here... I would think you would have an inkling by now that the world is run largely by political forces.

It's your choice to skip it or complain about it, however, it seems you default regularly to the complain position.

The current POTUS isn't the same guy you saw just a few years ago... this version now understands law fare and all the players involved in creating it.

Pretty sure you don't approve of the new people seated in the key positions in the most powerful of positions. That can be addressed in a thread where the lefties get to criticize the people chosen to operate the levers of power in this country. I am sure somebody here doesn't approve of Bondi or Patel and the mission they are on.

Apparently our country wasn't really suffering under the last administration and the direction they wanted to country to go in... I can only imagine what 4 years of Kamala would be like and where it would have taken us... USAID might have had a good shot of finishing off what was left.... Had that happened, the Soro's family dream and the like minded dreams of others of a collapsed America would have been at hand so he and his buddies could part out the pieces like his ilk has done in other countries before. Example... In the wake of 2008.... Indy Mac Bank and One West Bank and what happened with those assets that got redistributed... it's how they roll... which you probably know nothing about.

I wonder if any suppressed invention files that would tap into improved energy systems are collecting dust at the US Patent Office these days?

4 years behind? Ever heard of Blockchain tech and what it is going to do to securitize assets? Have you checked out our latest laser weapons? Have you seen the hypersonic missile launch from Vandenburg recently? Peace through strength is still a worthy goal... unless you think it's not. Probably better off not talking about that either... might be to political.
 
Some how, some way you seem to think that telling people where the boundary lines are in a conversation is something others should follow.

What kind of mentality is that?

Of anybody here... I would think you would have an inkling by now that the world is run largely by political forces.

It's your choice to skip it or complain about it, however, it seems you default regularly to the complain position.

The current POTUS isn't the same guy you saw just a few years ago... this version now understands law fare and all the players involved in creating it.

Pretty sure you don't approve of the new people seated in the key positions in the most powerful of positions. That can be addressed in a thread where the lefties get to criticize the people chosen to operate the levers of power in this country. I am sure somebody here doesn't approve of Bondi or Patel and the mission they are on.

Apparently our country wasn't really suffering under the last administration and the direction they wanted to country to go in... I can only imagine what 4 years of Kamala would be like and where it would have taken us... USAID might have had a good shot of finishing off what was left.... Had that happened, the Soro's family dream and the like minded dreams of others of a collapsed America would have been at hand so he and his buddies could part out the pieces like his ilk has done in other countries before. Example... In the wake of 2008.... Indy Mac Bank and One West Bank and what happened with those assets that got redistributed... it's how they roll... which you probably know nothing about.

I wonder if any suppressed invention files that would tap into improved energy systems are collecting dust at the US Patent Office these days?

4 years behind? Ever heard of Blockchain tech and what it is going to do to securitize assets? Have you checked out our latest laser weapons? Have you seen the hypersonic missile launch from Vandenburg recently? Peace through strength is still a worthy goal... unless you think it's not. Probably better off not talking about that either... might be to political.
Well.....it is well established that there is a politics section and that is where you can spout all the political rhetoric you want.

I have clearly stated I will not delve into the political section and I am doing my best to avoid any and all political conversations as I have strong negative feelings about the current American administration therefore I am better off not speaking on them.

Sadly as everything kind of sort of intertwines with politics, it's hard to avoid it 100% but I am attempting to do so.


I am striving to follow forum rules.....I suggest you do the same....and I'm not going to take your bait.....
 
I don't know what to say.......

I'm not pro-EV however I am pro research and development of alternative power and fuel systems which are more efficient and reliable.
Well I'm not pro EV, nor pro wind power, unless it's at a remote site etc. I just know from practical experience that all these inventions are made with oil and coal and basically can't be manufactured any other way. R&D is fine, but what it usually does is just find new ways to burn FF. R&D gave us more efficient Air conditioners and now everyone want 3 in their home. A/C units now consume 10% of the world's electricity.

The R&D that's really needed was all done back in the 1970's. Walkable communities could have revolutionized suburbs, but it never happened. "Solar Energy and Building" by Szokolay. A text on how to build homes without the need for electric air-conditioners and oil heaters. Designs using passive methods, thermal walls filled with water and glass to trap and reflect hear, that sort of thing. It was ignored! The 70's was when they began making innovative electric solar powered cars, they had a race across the desert to garner interest, but no one was willing to give up their 1.5ton car so it was all thrown in the bin. The World has had 55 years to transition away from FF, to halt our insane waste of energy, but all anyone wanted to do was take another 6000 mile flight to a distant holiday destination, or a buy a New car, or build a bigger freeway.
It could have been done in the 1970's, there was excess oil coal and gas to both run society and fuel the transition. It's too late to start now, there isn't enough FF to see a mass transition. IT'S TOO LATE!

Oil was a 100 year moonshot and we wasted it going to drive-in movies and building freeways. Once people learn to accept that they can move on to a brighter future (For themselves personally.) The World at large is screwed.
 
It's all bad news:

How EVs became such a massive disappointment

EVs Are Losing Up to 50 Percent of Their Value in One Year
It’s happening. The used electric vehicle market is circling the drain, and the numbers paint a grim picture. EVs, once the golden children of the green revolution, are plummeting in resale value, their depreciation curves resembling an Olympic ski jump. Tesla, Rivian, and Lucid are leading the charge into the abyss, but the carnage isn’t limited to boutique brands.

Trump Isn’t The Enemy Of EVs, Consumers Are

--This was the good news, nearly a year ago.

No, the EV isn’t dead — just briefly comatose

July 29, 2024
In the past week, the world’s biggest automotive companies have undergone their quarterly check up with investors. The results aren’t good: In fact, the financial statements show them bleeding out.
The source of their pain? Electric vehicles, or EVs. Sales of all-electric models have uniformly declined across the West, including at General Motors, Renault and EV giant Tesla. But, far from a death rattle, the sales slump is more a brief stop of the heart before the paddles bring the EV shift back to life.


So much for coming back to life...
 
Well I'm not pro EV, nor pro wind power, unless it's at a remote site etc. I just know from practical experience that all these inventions are made with oil and coal and basically can't be manufactured any other way. R&D is fine, but what it usually does is just find new ways to burn FF. R&D gave us more efficient Air conditioners and now everyone want 3 in their home. A/C units now consume 10% of the world's electricity.

The R&D that's really needed was all done back in the 1970's. Walkable communities could have revolutionized suburbs, but it never happened. "Solar Energy and Building" by Szokolay. A text on how to build homes without the need for electric air-conditioners and oil heaters. Designs using passive methods, thermal walls filled with water and glass to trap and reflect hear, that sort of thing. It was ignored! The 70's was when they began making innovative electric solar powered cars, they had a race across the desert to garner interest, but no one was willing to give up their 1.5ton car so it was all thrown in the bin. The World has had 55 years to transition away from FF, to halt our insane waste of energy, but all anyone wanted to do was take another 6000 mile flight to a distant holiday destination, or a buy a New car, or build a bigger freeway.
It could have been done in the 1970's, there was excess oil coal and gas to both run society and fuel the transition. It's too late to start now, there isn't enough FF to see a mass transition. IT'S TOO LATE!

Oil was a 100 year moonshot and we wasted it going to drive-in movies and building freeways. Once people learn to accept that they can move on to a brighter future (For themselves personally.) The World at large is screwed.
It's all bad news:

How EVs became such a massive disappointment

EVs Are Losing Up to 50 Percent of Their Value in One Year
It’s happening. The used electric vehicle market is circling the drain, and the numbers paint a grim picture. EVs, once the golden children of the green revolution, are plummeting in resale value, their depreciation curves resembling an Olympic ski jump. Tesla, Rivian, and Lucid are leading the charge into the abyss, but the carnage isn’t limited to boutique brands.

Trump Isn’t The Enemy Of EVs, Consumers Are

--This was the good news, nearly a year ago.

No, the EV isn’t dead — just briefly comatose

July 29, 2024
In the past week, the world’s biggest automotive companies have undergone their quarterly check up with investors. The results aren’t good: In fact, the financial statements show them bleeding out.
The source of their pain? Electric vehicles, or EVs. Sales of all-electric models have uniformly declined across the West, including at General Motors, Renault and EV giant Tesla. But, far from a death rattle, the sales slump is more a brief stop of the heart before the paddles bring the EV shift back to life.


So much for coming back to life...
I am not pro EV either but I am smart enough to know the US was working hard at conducting R&D and now that is all shut down......technology can never advance once it is shut off.......China and other countries haven't shut theirs down and will soon far surpass the US in technological advancements for EV and power generation....they are looking at having mini-fusion generators...if they get that sorted out, the possibilities really open up.

I also am not fatalistic and believe people can change if gently guided and shown what change can do for them......in the military we took many leadership courses on effecting change......nobody likes change even though it is necessary to do, there is always a strong push back.....

People have to want to change and if status quo is all that is offered, status quo is all that will continue.

I believe EV hasn't been prospering or going mainstream because it was hastily introduced before all the supports were in place.....if the power grid, charging stations and technology had been better sorted out, EV would have been in a better position to be a mainstream source of transportation.......it's as if it was set up to fail.

I can also go into the web and find all kinds of counter sites to all the ones you posted....I believe half of what I see in the web and am skeptical of the other half.....
 
It was setup to make huge profits, and it did! That's what the world's all about BB, money for the elites. But I doubt the world's governments could have afforded to "pave the way" anyway. They would have needed to increase the size of the grids 2x or 4x, as the engineers state. Far too expensive, they can barely keep what we have now running. It was all BS from start to finish I thought. In the beginning the Wise Ones touted the need for uniform batteries and fast battery exchanges, and that would have been easy, and made sense. But like a lot of things it was thrown in the bin for the sake of instant sales and profits.

As for the EV as it stands, well it's clearly going out the back door regardless of what the fanboi say. In ten years it will all but be forgotten, especially if we get another debilitating depression, which is where my money has been for a while now. There were a lot of optimists in 1929 but it didn't help them when the markets and banks collapsed.
 
It was setup to make huge profits, and it did! That's what the world's all about BB, money for the elites. But I doubt the world's governments could have afforded to "pave the way" anyway. They would have needed to increase the size of the grids 2x or 4x, as the engineers state. Far too expensive, they can barely keep what we have now running. It was all BS from start to finish I thought. In the beginning the Wise Ones touted the need for uniform batteries and fast battery exchanges, and that would have been easy, and made sense. But like a lot of things it was thrown in the bin for the sake of instant sales and profits.

As for the EV as it stands, well it's clearly going out the back door regardless of what the fanboi say. In ten years it will all but be forgotten, especially if we get another debilitating depression, which is where my money has been for a while now. There were a lot of optimists in 1929 but it didn't help them when the markets and banks collapsed.
I think hybrids are more the way forward than full EV......

However, I do believe the concept of EV is a solid one.......if it was able to be developed to be faster charging with a better range, it would far surpass ICE in almost every way......but there is a lot more to be done.....and it appears that only the Chinese are willing to put the work in which equates to their eventual domination of that market....

They are masters of reverse engineering and are tenacious.......the west is underestimating their global threat and will keep doing so until it's too late.
 
However, I do believe the concept of EV is a solid one.......if it was able to be developed to be faster charging with a better range,
well no doubt, but not at the current scale of them. Trying to basically convert heavy Gasoline powered cars into electric cars was a dumb idea, but it was all the market would accept because it's all the roads would accept (safety wise) They need to come in at the weight of a few hundred kg, at most! And certainly be covered in solar panels. The thin film solar is out there, all the components are out there but we are hooked on 20th century modes of transport and that's the coffin the EV will die in. All the unbiased studies show the ones we're making take 6~8 years to break even, fossil fuel wise, so what's the point? Why keep strip-mining rare earths and lithium, cadmium and all the rest just to basically break even. And even then, no heater in winter, no AC in summer, unless you want serious range degradation.

Perhaps your new PM will solve these issues
Chrystia Freeland announced her candidacy for Prime Minister this week and defined her campaign platform almost exclusively as an anti-Trump platform. She claims that her run as PM was inspired by fears that Donald Trump intends to "invade Canada", a threat she intends to courageously stand against.

"I met a little 4 year old girl, she asked me, whether if I could prevent Trump from invading our country. And that's why I'm standing to be the Liberal Party leader, and to become the next Prime Minister of Canada."
So there you go, she's channeling the whims of a 4 year old. What could possibly go wrong :rolleyes:

CANADIAN PM.webp
 
well no doubt, but not at the current scale of them. Trying to basically convert heavy Gasoline powered cars into electric cars was a dumb idea, but it was all the market would accept because it's all the roads would accept (safety wise) They need to come in at the weight of a few hundred kg, at most! And certainly be covered in solar panels. The thin film solar is out there, all the components are out there but we are hooked on 20th century modes of transport and that's the coffin the EV will die in. All the unbiased studies show the ones we're making take 6~8 years to break even, fossil fuel wise, so what's the point? Why keep strip-mining rare earths and lithium, cadmium and all the rest just to basically break even. And even then, no heater in winter, no AC in summer, unless you want serious range degradation.

Perhaps your new PM will solve these issues
Chrystia Freeland announced her candidacy for Prime Minister this week and defined her campaign platform almost exclusively as an anti-Trump platform. She claims that her run as PM was inspired by fears that Donald Trump intends to "invade Canada", a threat she intends to courageously stand against.


So there you go, she's channeling the whims of a 4 year old. What could possibly go wrong :rolleyes:

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As for EV, it can't be developed if all R&D is ceased, it might turn out to be a dead end, who knows?.............take a look at how the automobile has morphed over the years.......it took a long, long time for ICE to be anywhere near as efficient as it currently is........

With more R&D EV might be able to be produced without the huge amount of resources they currently require.........as they sit now EV require a lot more development in order to be viable for mainstream use.
 
I was one of the very last to switch to cordless power tools. It became embarrassing, everyone use to laugh at me using a corded tool on a jobsite.

First cordless tools became available around 1961, met with severe skepticism. Sixty three years later, almost no one in the trades uses corded or gas powered portable tools. Lithium Ion completely changed that entire landscape.
 
Sixty three years later, almost no one in the trades uses corded or gas powered portable tools. Lithium Ion completely changed that entire landscape.

Quite true, but only possible because we don't build with hardwood or copper anymore. I use LiPO tools exclusively but I have a filing cabinet with some nice old Bosh and Makita mains powered ones in case I need to work on anything other than Pine, pollypipe, and thin mild steel. I also have a large rotary hammer drill and jackhammer for concrete work, both are mains powered. Rechargeable, even brushless, has it's limits. My last acquisition was a 1600Nm brushless impact wrench, $450 aussie, the biggest they make. It'll pull any nut of anything and is perfect for working with serious suspension components on 4x4 etc. I didn't need to go that big but I've been caught out with rechargeable tools before and it's best to go one size up, so to speak, than be rattling away and getting nowhere.

Often the limitation is not the tool itself but the battery! Under heavy load the voltage drops and the tool can cutout with the battery still half full. It's always advisable to buy the largest Ah ones I have found, though they are quite expensive the depth of discharge keeps the tool running longer.


tool-.webp
 
Not really an EV thing but I've noticed a lot of late model vehicles (including EVs) with lights not working...

I saw a Hyundai EV that has an LED light bar across the entire front clip of which one side shuts of when the signal light is engaged on that side....

I noted one with the light bar shut off and the signal light engaged but when the signal light stopped, the lightbar didn't re-engage leaving only one side lit up.....

I mentioned it to the owner who said "what, this again...?" he got back in and started it and the entire light bar engaged......he turned on a signal light, shut if off and the light bar didn't re-initialize........

He said it has been back to Hyundai at least 3 times for the same thing as others have mentioned it to him.....

He also said sometimes his backup sensors don't engage and other times they do so there is a gremlin somewhere and Hyundai can't find it.

But I've seen lots of new(er) vehicles running around with lights out....regardless of manufacturer...

My truck was popping the third brake light bulb a few times.....so much so that I started carrying extras with a phillips screwdriver to change it.
 
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