Gen 3 Latest report ..

sunlight and reflection, taken today before demo ride was offered $2000 part exchange by suzuki dealer
Telboy2000 said:
I see that bike like mine also runs cool.
curious why you feel the need to rev a busa to 12k , its already well past the peak torque so the next gear would accelerate better.....then again it likely sounds mighty.
100k miles...impressive.
took my Gen3.. 2 up today for 130 miles and found the lean angle sensor quite amusing... 5mm from the edge of the rear tyre is only 32 degrees.
As the bike settles in I can feel a need to stiffen the suspension when 2up....gets a wee bit of pogo action going on some roads.

Found a glitch with the gadgets... When cruise is active you cannot scroll through any of the odo items or alter power settings.... Your locked to cruise only... Which also gets a little confused and surgy when going down a very gentle hill.
Still overall finding the main busa dna is there.. Low revs grunt and the ability to demolish miles effortlessly yet calmly.
130miles was about 2/3 of a tank and I wasn't exactly just cruising.
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having slept on my review, i will say Gen3 is indeed better all round than stock Gen2 , its quicker due to mid low and mid range. brakes are impressive and it makes any rider feel like a pro.

my Gen2 has 4in1 and ecu editor max power is at 10,600 and the Gen2 tacho is 600 rpm fast , my cut out is set by ecu editor to 11,600 rpm - hence why i see 12000 on clock

can you see this - 9 years ago at 15000 miles

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10201005059592921
 
the problem i have is to afford one, already spent near on £3k on carbon wheels , ohlins rear and modified front forks etc, i would need to break the bike sell the engine and all the constituent parts - yes i see a 100,000 mile busa no one wants hence the £1500 part ex. i already have spent £2k on new pistons rods and block rebore for a 1406cc engine refresh for the autumn.
 
The exhaust seems to be 4-2-1... has the ecu being flashed as all the cans have been removed, if not ,then will it not hamper engine and its performance
 
Akrapovic has a dedicated 4-2-1 titanium aftermarket exhaust system for 2021 hayabusa listed on their official website... so ecu can be flashed but akrapovic is now suzuki's official choice so may be only dealers can access the ECU and only through dealers we can change the exhaust
 
mark3evo said:
the problem i have is to afford one, already spent near on £3k on carbon wheels , ohlins rear and modified front forks etc, i would need to break the bike sell the engine and all the constituent parts - yes i see a 100,000 mile busa no one wants hence the £1500 part ex. i already have spent £2k on new pistons rods and block rebore for a 1406cc engine refresh for the autumn.
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May as well look at a gearbox and clutch basket inspection or rebuild... Should be a real animal when sorted.
Money was on my mind when trading up but I plan this to be my last bike purchase. I'm too short to fit the usual touring / adventure bikes.. Plus they bore me.
Maybe if Suzuki reinvent the naked Bandit 1200 I'd have one as I loved my 03 model. Wasn't into the 1250 version as they shortened the gears and messed with the geometry which made the front end easy to lowside.
What happened to big bore naked from every manufacturer?.... Yam tried a retro xj with a cafe layout.... What a market flop it was.
It almost like the mindset is that 2 up riding is for touring or adventure only style bikes
 
mark3evo said:
the problem i have is to afford one, already spent near on £3k on carbon wheels , ohlins rear and modified front forks etc, i would need to break the bike sell the engine and all the constituent parts - yes i see a 100,000 mile busa no one wants hence the £1500 part ex. i already have spent £2k on new pistons rods and block rebore for a 1406cc engine refresh for the autumn.
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I done the exact same comparisons and still believe I can build an absolute weapon for far less than what a Gen 3 cost here locally.

Sure the electronics are nice but I’ve ridden without them for so long and couldn’t care for them, ridden a KTM 1290 SDGT with all the bells/whistles and nearly all electronics were turned off.
 
The gen 3 is going to be the same as the previous generations...a tuner's dream where they will be able to make the bike very capable.

Hopefully it doesn't stay in a class all it's own for long.....competition breeds improvement.
 
fallenarch said:
Haha. Maybe Jelly won't see this and never know we agreed! Funny, I bet he doesn't like the Gen 3 OEM cans, haha.
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You guys remind me of a customer who just had his gorgeous solid Walnut kitchen, with a clear coat showing all the pretty wood grain painted white.

Why spoil the beauty of a master artist creator?

LOL, I think the gen3 is pretty, but happy with my Gen2, she is still a virgin and looks as good as new.
 
Telboy2000 said:
May as well look at a gearbox and clutch basket inspection or rebuild... Should be a real animal when sorted.
Money was on my mind when trading up but I plan this to be my last bike purchase. I'm too short to fit the usual touring / adventure bikes.. Plus they bore me.
Maybe if Suzuki reinvent the naked Bandit 1200 I'd have one as I loved my 03 model. Wasn't into the 1250 version as they shortened the gears and messed with the geometry which made the front end easy to lowside.
What happened to big bore naked from every manufacturer?.... Yam tried a retro xj with a cafe layout.... What a market flop it was.
It almost like the mindset is that 2 up riding is for touring or adventure only style bikes
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Yes new shift forks as they could be thin and new clutch as still as factory as fitted ,a testament to Hayabusa durability
 
Dai. said:
I done the exact same comparisons and still believe I can build an absolute weapon for far less than what a Gen 3 cost here locally.

Sure the electronics are nice but I’ve ridden without them for so long and couldn’t care for them, ridden a KTM 1290 SDGT with all the bells/whistles and nearly all electronics were turned off.
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Hey Dai,

I think we sort of think about the Busa in the same way - a Stable, torque monster sportbike. So I think if you want to go fast and turn, you must control the power in a meaningful way. 200+ hp is dangerous on the street, and for riders who are not professionals, it's a lot to ask for them to have the honed skills necessary to make split-second decisions on power or even to accurately read the feedback they are getting from a tire that's beginning to slip. So to use all of the bike's power, most of us need a little help.

I stopped at adding power to my Gen 2 until I could figure out how to manage it. It would be nice to have approximately 245 HP, which would restore the Busa to its place as the dominant street weapon, provided all of it didn't go to eating tires. Ohlins helps keep the tires on the ground and a light, stiff swingarm will do the trick too.

I sort of feel comfortable with "manual ABS" (really good brakes with lots of feel), no doubt on the street repeatable good stops are more important than those perfect brake control moments you can get manually. It would be interesting to improve a semi-advanced ABS bike like the Gen 3.

So these guys GripOne have a product that will give a Gen 2 TC, integrated QS, wheelie control (GRIPONE S4 - GRIPONE). This looks like a pretty impressive system with a lot of race experience behind it. I am still considering it. The cost is about $2K with all the bells and whistles and they say it can go on a PCV-equipped bike. Their ECU is additional to the bike's ECU, so no re-tuning or anything is necessary.

So with this, the Gen 2 could easily exceed the Gen 3 in performance. Our bikes are already lighter, have better wheels, and better suspension. Add this electronics suite and you can continue adding power making the Gen 2 a superior bike in all ways but the advanced ABS and aesthetics.

Your thoughts?
 
fallenarch said:
Hey Dai,

I think we sort of think about the Busa in the same way - a Stable, torque monster sportbike. So I think if you want to go fast and turn, you must control the power in a meaningful way. 200+ hp is dangerous on the street, and for riders who are not professionals, it's a lot to ask for them to have the honed skills necessary to make split-second decisions on power or even to accurately read the feedback they are getting from a tire that's beginning to slip. So to use all of the bike's power, most of us need a little help.

I stopped at adding power to my Gen 2 until I could figure out how to manage it. It would be nice to have approximately 245 HP, which would restore the Busa to its place as the dominant street weapon, provided all of it didn't go to eating tires. Ohlins helps keep the tires on the ground and a light, stiff swingarm will do the trick too.

I sort of feel comfortable with "manual ABS" (really good brakes with lots of feel), no doubt on the street repeatable good stops are more important than those perfect brake control moments you can get manually. It would be interesting to improve a semi-advanced ABS bike like the Gen 3.

So these guys GripOne have a product that will give a Gen 2 TC, integrated QS, wheelie control (GRIPONE S4 - GRIPONE). This looks like a pretty impressive system with a lot of race experience behind it. I am still considering it. The cost is about $2K with all the bells and whistles and they say it can go on a PCV-equipped bike. Their ECU is additional to the bike's ECU, so no re-tuning or anything is necessary.

So with this, the Gen 2 could easily exceed the Gen 3 in performance. Our bikes are already lighter, have better wheels, and better suspension. Add this electronics suite and you can continue adding power making the Gen 2 a superior bike in all ways but the advanced ABS and aesthetics.

Your thoughts?
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I am definitely in the same boat as per all of the above. I personally prefer value for money and I can’t see the new Busa being worth $28k compared to my $2k special, if I was to splash the difference, the $2k would be an absolute monster and doubt many bikes would touch it.

Again, this is my opinion and others may not agree but it is what it is.
 
fallenarch said:
Hey Dai,

I think we sort of think about the Busa in the same way - a Stable, torque monster sportbike. So I think if you want to go fast and turn, you must control the power in a meaningful way. 200+ hp is dangerous on the street, and for riders who are not professionals, it's a lot to ask for them to have the honed skills necessary to make split-second decisions on power or even to accurately read the feedback they are getting from a tire that's beginning to slip. So to use all of the bike's power, most of us need a little help.

I stopped at adding power to my Gen 2 until I could figure out how to manage it. It would be nice to have approximately 245 HP, which would restore the Busa to its place as the dominant street weapon, provided all of it didn't go to eating tires. Ohlins helps keep the tires on the ground and a light, stiff swingarm will do the trick too.

I sort of feel comfortable with "manual ABS" (really good brakes with lots of feel), no doubt on the street repeatable good stops are more important than those perfect brake control moments you can get manually. It would be interesting to improve a semi-advanced ABS bike like the Gen 3.

So these guys GripOne have a product that will give a Gen 2 TC, integrated QS, wheelie control (GRIPONE S4 - GRIPONE). This looks like a pretty impressive system with a lot of race experience behind it. I am still considering it. The cost is about $2K with all the bells and whistles and they say it can go on a PCV-equipped bike. Their ECU is additional to the bike's ECU, so no re-tuning or anything is necessary.

So with this, the Gen 2 could easily exceed the Gen 3 in performance. Our bikes are already lighter, have better wheels, and better suspension. Add this electronics suite and you can continue adding power making the Gen 2 a superior bike in all ways but the advanced ABS and aesthetics.

Your thoughts?
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I'll be installing a Gripone system. Takes the Gen2 to modern day electronics for a decent price.
 
Dai. said:
I am definitely in the same boat as per all of the above. I personally prefer value for money and I can’t see the new Busa being worth $28k compared to my $2k special, if I was to splash the difference, the $2k would be an absolute monster and doubt many bikes would touch it.

Again, this is my opinion and others may not agree but it is what it is.
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Sadly, I have to agree. With a local price of $28k +/-, I can not see my self with one for many years, then as a second hand item. With what I have invested in my Gen2, both performance and visual, I am still under half of that. As much as I love bikes, and all things fast, using close to half my yearly income on something that gets written off as soon as it falls over, is not good economical sense. Sorry Suzuki, but $12k over the price of a brand new Gen2 - pass :(
 
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