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Gen 3 Latest report ..
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Mythos
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wait wait wait hold on man that's not what I heard. Let me watch that again.
0-100 kph
H2 2.6 seconds
Gen3 busa 3.0 seconds
0-200 kph
H2 6.7 seconds
Gen3 Hayabusa 6.8 seconds
0-300 kph
H2 17.4 seconds
Gen3 Hayabusa 23 seconds "which is way slower than any competitors"
No Hayabusa will do 354 kph without the usual mods either and usual mods for a 354 kph busa means turbo.
I will agree with you though, the H2 is not very impressive considering it is supercharged. It sometimes gets beat by NA 1000s. Even so, the H2 beat the Gen3 busa which means those NA 1000s can also beat the brand new updated 1340 Hayabusa. That's shameful. I would rather ride a 1000 that's faster and more nimble. I really hope this new busa has a big secret waiting inside. You'd think Suzuki would hint at that pretty strongly or come right out and say it. "we provide the platform, you provide the mods to make this the fastest bike on the road." Instead, the public statement is 'we chose to make this bike have less hp because more hp is unnecessary.' I hope this all a coverup. I love my Gen2 forever but no way am going down the road of riding an old man bike. That's time to call it quits. OH Please GOD make this new Hayabusa a game changer....please!!!
BusaDawg1
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It was just a kid doing it by other videos no real evidence more of a fan made video he was just showing that she hangs until the top end... gen 3 is a face lift and tech refinements I doubt she will be a game changer that will be gen 4. It is crazy that my 99 had 175hp was 1298cc and stock would go 200mph... smh ... turbo gen 3 will do just fine and you can never be too safe at 200mph. Think about it they pretty much made it extra bullet proof for the all the abuse it can handle... imo at the end of the day suzuki knows you will customize it but what's important is being known as one of the fastest longest lasting reliable sport bikes on the planet.
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Telboy2000
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why would anyone try comparing the Busa to the H2 anyway... nothing in common ...H2 has more power @240 , weighs less and costs nearly 40% more.
H2 is also awful looking, seat like a plank , useless for a pillion and if rumors are true they aren't reliable.
Modern 1000's.... sized for little jockeys and when someone 5'6" says they are too cramped that not good.
The new Z H2 is a different story and could well be an awesome street bike ( bit like Kwak version of a B-king just 13 yrs late ) but initial reviews say its scary after 140...never had that issue on a Busa or B-king...lol.
I never looked at any generation Busa for its performance stats...its how it makes me feel that matters.
If the deal closes as i hop eit will be my 5th Busa over 17yrs and no matter what other bikes I or my mates have owned its always been the one people pause to look at when its parked up.
H2 is also awful looking, seat like a plank , useless for a pillion and if rumors are true they aren't reliable.
Modern 1000's.... sized for little jockeys and when someone 5'6" says they are too cramped that not good.
The new Z H2 is a different story and could well be an awesome street bike ( bit like Kwak version of a B-king just 13 yrs late ) but initial reviews say its scary after 140...never had that issue on a Busa or B-king...lol.
I never looked at any generation Busa for its performance stats...its how it makes me feel that matters.
If the deal closes as i hop eit will be my 5th Busa over 17yrs and no matter what other bikes I or my mates have owned its always been the one people pause to look at when its parked up.
I sit corrected.
0-120 is indeed a good 0.1 seconds slower.
I'm cancelling my order post haste
BusaDawg1
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Trust me Spudley I will be calling ultimate cycles first thing Tuesday morning...
BusaDawg1 waiting to hear your Tuesday update!!
ottafish
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A good. Mate had a early release Z H2. Had it for maybe 2 months then sold it. No soul. No pride in seeing it when he walked into the garage. Fast, yes. Nimble, yes. But not a grin inducing bike.
Proof the performance is only part of reason for ownership. Like a three legged stool.
The Big Red One
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Lol...old smokey
yep he was one fast drag racer 
I picked up some tips from him on my turbo set up. In a way I regret tearing my 14 down for the turbo install, the kit I have came off the same year stock 14/flies out as mine (identical bikes), and I'm running the same map as that bike at the same 8lbs of boost and the bike made over 265 rwhp, which sounds good and all, but I've already had to modify a ton of stuff, which equals too much time and money, and I'm still going to have to get an extended swingarm. I can't wait to ride it, but I'm going to miss having a fast stock motored bike with the usual bolt-ons thats dead reliable, compared to my high strung turbo bike which I'll have to run race fuel in (when and if I can find it on longer rides) and have a tow service ready for the inevitable times that it decides to strand me for one reason or another. I think I'm going to pick up a 14R (or maybe a gen 2 busa if the comfort factor allows) for the majority of my riding. I like the peace of mind a stock motor gives me, and I can run them hard and not worry. Turbo's are for folks who are financially and time wise VERY dedicated to the bike. That's not really me, I would be completely happy with a stock motored 14R or gen 2 busa if comfort allows.Since I'm two thirds done with the turbo install I'm going to finish it and ride it, but I'm definitely getting something else for the bulk of my riding. As to what I'm still not positive... the H2 sport touring version sounds cool, and I've owned other older turbo's and the turbo rush is VERY addictive. It would be nice to own a factory super-charged bike and the reliability that hopefully comes with it on pump gas.....it really depends on the used prices. I'm not an avid enough rider anymore to pay the new prices. Plus I really like the freight train torque, stability, and acceleration of the big bores.
Decisions decisions lol.
The Big Red One
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Rook I think the days of the busa beating 1000's are over. Time's have changed and Suzuki seems to have given up on that idea. Making it a sport tourer is actually probably not a bad idea, except still presenting it as the Hayabusa is asking for it to be measured against the fastest of the fast, and that's not going to work out too well.
They should have modified the name and presented it as an official sports tourer, that way it would be compared to other sports tourers and still be the King... just the king of a different class. Keeping the Hayabusa name and marketing approach is putting it in a fight it can't win
The Hayabusa name sells...if they had called this bike anything else, it would have sat on the showroom floor forever. Suzuki originally built the Hayabusa to be a street domination machine which is something it hasn't been in stock form for years and years. Kawasaki won that title and will hold onto it.Rook I think the days of the busa beating 1000's are over. Time's have changed and Suzuki seems to have given up on that idea. Making it a sport tourer is actually probably not a bad idea, except still presenting it as the Hayabusa is asking for it to be measured against the fastest of the fast, and that's not going to work out too well.
They should have modified the name and presented it as an official sports tourer, that way it would be compared to other sports tourers and still be the King... just the king of a different class. Keeping the Hayabusa name and marketing approach is putting it in a fight it can't win
This bike is the best Hayabusa yet but Suzuki isn't interested in staying in the street dominance war. Like it's previous versions, the tuners not the company which made (will make) it the bike to be feared by it's competition.
I have said a few times already that Suzuki should have put factory hard bags, a larger windshield and more of an upright riding position to make this a proper sport tour bike. There is lots of competition in that segment as well.
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If you notice in this video at around 0:55, the bike is maxed out on the speedometer but the tach is stopped at 10,000, that tells me once the ECU is unlocked this bike has quite a bit of power left in it and will most likely have a higher top speed of an equally set up gen 1 or 2.
That's what I'm counting on. For most consumers they'll never reflash the ECU, they'll never change the gearing, they'll never consider forced induction. For a bunch of us, we've ridden these bikes for so long, they know exactly what we're going to do. I believe they left it in there for us. Nobody else.
Much like the last 2 generations of Hayabusa, the potential has to be tapped.That's what I'm counting on. For most consumers they'll never reflash the ECU, they'll never change the gearing, they'll never consider forced induction. For a bunch of us, we've ridden these bikes for so long, they know exactly what we're going to do. I believe they left it in there for us. Nobody else.
What I find so interesting is the performance difference between a gen 1 and gen 2 is very slight in real world use yet the dyno numbers would indicate favor towards a gen 2.
The dyno numbers place the gen 3 as an underdog compared to a gen 2 however with the electronic aids, the power of a gen 3 will be easier for a rider to tap into.
Exactly, the average rider will be able to handle it and be safer. For the rest of us maniacs, we will tune it where we like it, and it will be blazing fast.
BusaDawg1
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Called 3 dealerships today still saying june but they don't know as much and some say april to june... april batch is just a few per dealership and I would guess go for retail or close friends maybe family...then the big batch is most likely end of May beginning of June for pre orders with covid sales guys telling me orders from last year still haven't showed up yet but will get more info tomorrow for sure... but what I don't get is it's already in the hands of a few and at the end of that Bennetts video the chap asks suzuki rep when to expect the bike and he replies back with pre orders end of March early april you wouldn't think it would take 2 or 3 months to get across the pond. Even when I ordered my new akrapovic system says ships late april...that would suck to have it sit in my garage for a month or 2.
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jch364
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Totally agree. apples to oranges. Honestly until you add Brocks ecu map and exhaust to the h2, sxe, zh2 etc they dont impress but add that and wow it wakes up. but look at what you have spent in the process. yikes. better comparison would be to the zx14r. That makes more sense
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