Gen 3 Latest report ..

[Dai.]

Around the same weight? I thought a 2020 GSXR1000 weighed around 475 and a 2020 Busa about a hundred more.

443 pounds vs 582 pounds.

 

[jellyrug]

They must be doing something different, I can only report on anything and everything I read on them being more powerful and around the same weight as a Hayabusa.

Some of our members here have them....and a few have turned to them when they were awaiting a gen 3.

You need to study a little bit of applied math.

Power =( 2 x Pi x RPM x Torque)/ 60

The only time a BMW S1000RR makes more power than a Busa is once the motor spins past 11,000 RPM. That means from a standing start the Hayabusa has an advantage as it puts out more ponies until the Beemer gets into its higher power band. It also means the Hayabusa is a lot more rideable on the street as it does not have to be wound up all the time.

When you read about this stuff all the time, include torque in your opinion.

 

[mark3evo]

i sit on a zx14r forum and any stock 14 will trounce a Gen2 , my buddy has a decatted and remapped 14 and makes 213 hp - Gen2 will only match that with a similar 1441 config

 

[jellyrug]

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i sit on a zx14r forum and any stock 14 will trounce a Gen2 , my buddy has a decatted and remapped 14 and makes 213 hp - Gen2 will only match that with a similar 1441 config

i am always curious why the modified Busa remains king on the drag strip. The 14 is there but in limited numbers compared to the Busa.

 

[ottafish]

i sit on a zx14r forum and any stock 14 will trounce a Gen2 , my buddy has a decatted and remapped 14 and makes 213 hp - Gen2 will only match that with a similar 1441 config

What will be interesting is if we remove "Gen2" above and replace it with "Gen3"
If I took a 5yo zx14r and $5k and a 5 week old Gen3 and $5k, and see what happens.
Both are long range sport tourers. Both can munch up miles n miles.
Sadly, only one comes factory with Ohlins rear shock and Brembo m/c
I don't know enough about putting either of them down the straight.
All my riding and all my riding buddies riding is open road, bendy, twistie, country stuff. Where I get a day of ear to ear grins from seeing the countryside and throwing the big girl around.

 

[Bumblebee]

Around the same weight? I thought a 2020 GSXR1000 weighed around 475 and a 2020 Busa about a hundred more.

I am comparing the ZX14R to the Hayabusa...

The latest specs I saw put the GSXR at 435lbs wet...

 

[Bumblebee]

You need to study a little bit of applied math.

Power =( 2 x Pi x RPM x Torque)/ 60

The only time a BMW S1000RR makes more power than a Busa is once the motor spins past 11,000 RPM. That means from a standing start the Hayabusa has an advantage as it puts out more ponies until the Beemer gets into its higher power band. It also means the Hayabusa is a lot more rideable on the street as it does not have to be wound up all the time.

When you read about this stuff all the time, include torque in your opinion.

I can add torque but you should add weight advantage which makes up for the torque figure..at least a 100lb difference in the bikes

Unless my Hayabusa is totally different from the millions of others out there, my bike needs to be revved to do anything really impressive just like a liter bike....and mine is modified and professionally tuned.

I love my bike but I know what it's limitations are and embrace this fact, it is what it is and that's not a bad thing.

The Hayabusa has already made it's place in motorcycling history so the fact Suzuki has kept it alive for a 3rd generation is a great thing. It's like having a big dog around, that dog may not bite you but it makes you wary...

 

[Bumblebee]

What will be interesting is if we remove "Gen2" above and replace it with "Gen3"
If I took a 5yo zx14r and $5k and a 5 week old Gen3 and $5k, and see what happens.
Both are long range sport tourers. Both can munch up miles n miles.
Sadly, only one comes factory with Ohlins rear shock and Brembo m/c
I don't know enough about putting either of them down the straight.
All my riding and all my riding buddies riding is open road, bendy, twistie, country stuff. Where I get a day of ear to ear grins from seeing the countryside and throwing the big girl around.

We can get 2021 ZX14Rs here so we could pit a brand new bike against a brand new bike...that would be an interesting and dare I say necessary test...

Only out of curiosity of course....

 

[ottafish]

We can get 2021 ZX14Rs here so we could pit a brand new bike against a brand new bike...that would be an interesting and dare I say necessary test...

Only out of curiosity of course....

Out of curiosity of course....

But take them on a couple days, 500 miles country run please. Real world stuff
We're not all wet in out pants for eighth or quarter mile runs.

 

[Bumblebee]

Out of curiosity of course....

But take them on a couple days, 500 miles country run please. Real world stuff
We're not all wet in out pants for eighth or quarter mile runs.

Certainly, use them like they were intended to be used....out on the roads.

I personally would have liked the idea of having factory detachable bags being available for either bike.

How many users on this forum have some form of luggage on their bikes?? I'd say there are many

I will say when you compare pictures of the 3 generations together, the gen 2 looks really outdated compared to the other generations (1 and 3)

 

[jellyrug]

 

[Dopey]

I can add torque but you should add weight advantage which makes up for the torque figure..at least a 100lb difference in the bikes

Unless my Hayabusa is totally different from the millions of others out there, my bike needs to be revved to do anything really impressive just like a liter bike....and mine is modified and professionally tuned.

I love my bike but I know what it's limitations are and embrace this fact, it is what it is and that's not a bad thing.

The Hayabusa has already made it's place in motorcycling history so the fact Suzuki has kept it alive for a 3rd generation is a great thing. It's like having a big dog around, that dog may not bite you but it makes you wary...

You've also said that the previous owner had your bike setup to chase the 1k's down so that might possibly be a reason it has to be revved out to do anything impressive. I know mine impresses me pretty well at anything over 3k when I hit it

 

[jellyrug]

I can add torque but you should add weight advantage which makes up for the torque figure..at least a 100lb difference in the bikes

Unless my Hayabusa is totally different from the millions of others out there, my bike needs to be revved to do anything really impressive just like a liter bike....and mine is modified and professionally tuned.

I love my bike but I know what it's limitations are and embrace this fact, it is what it is and that's not a bad thing.

The Hayabusa has already made it's place in motorcycling history so the fact Suzuki has kept it alive for a 3rd generation is a great thing. It's like having a big dog around, that dog may not bite you but it makes you wary...

Maybe our bikes are different?
I stopped reading when I got to the part which says “professionally tuned”
I can count on one hand the times mine has been over 8,000rpm and in third gear on the street where pavement is not always the best, that means hold on.

 

[mark3evo]

We can get 2021 ZX14Rs here so we could pit a brand new bike against a brand new bike...that would be an interesting and dare I say necessary test...

Only out of curiosity of course....

i'm surprised Gadson has not run a stock zx14 v Gen3 on the strip yet

 

[Bumblebee]

Maybe our bikes are different?
I stopped reading when I got to the part which says “professionally tuned”
I can count on one hand the times mine has been over 8,000rpm and in third gear on the street where pavement is not always the best, that means hold on.

Why did you stop reading at that point?

If I get on it, you have to be holding on pretty good, the quick shifter makes the bike gather in speed at a pretty scary rate. In the same breath it's happy plodding along at lower rpms too.

I guess what I mean is if I'm in higher gears at a lower rpm, it likes to be downshifted and the revs up to really get into the power.

I did find the liter bikes I rode to be a little more high strung, they like the revs as well.

 

[DougE]

Chris Moore got his personal busa in today.

 

[jellyrug]

Why did you stop reading at that point?

I'm just one of those guys who will not allow anyone else to lay a hand on my bike. Too much experience with folks who claim to be professional and make things better for the worse.

I have had my fair share of "professionally tuned" bikes, sports cars including Porsche, Maserati, Mercedes come my way which I had to rescue after someone else did their thing. In all those cases, the owners thought they had a good deal, until things go South, including performance and fuel consumption.

Also, if the rider lacks the technical ability to do the upgraded modifications, I do not trust his judgement as to evaluating the outcome.

 

[Spudley]

I'm just one of those guys who will not allow anyone else to lay a hand on my bike. Too much experience with folks who claim to be professional and make things better for the worse.

I have had my fair share of "professionally tuned" bikes, sports cars including Porsche, Maserati, Mercedes come my way which I had to rescue after someone else did their thing. In all those cases, the owners thought they had a good deal, until things go South, including performance and fuel consumption.

Also, if the rider lacks the technical ability to do the upgraded modifications, I do not trust his judgement as to evaluating the outcome.

No doubt-No doubt !. I do "all" my own work. When I'm pushing the needle, I know everything is in its place.

PS I've been turning a wrench for 42 years. I've cleaned up a ton of sh!t for a lot of people.

 

[mark3evo]

443 pounds vs 582 pounds.

my busa weights 511 pounds with 1/4 tank

 

[kim windsor]

It knows exactly what it's supposed to be, which is the best all around platform to do whatever you want with it.

12, 14, and 14R have always been a PITA to work on. The H2 is a cool bike but for $30k and the issues when you really start pushing the platform has many owners switching back to previous bikes. They just aren't reliable over 300-340whp.

As far as liter bike performance, most don't care because we aren't jockey sized riders. Most Busa owners are taller and larger and far more comfortable on a Busa than ANY liter bike.

Before I put a deposit down, I went shopping and none of them have the comfort of a Busa. I was in love with the new CBR 1000RR-R-SP but the peg height is a nightmare for the street. The V4R is beautiful but it Cooks your nuts the entire ride. RSV4 is a very small bike. S/M1000RR would be the only other option honestly.

If you spend a majority of your time at trackdays, a liter bike is what you're probably looking for. If you daily, tour, drag, top speed, cruise, etc etc..then for me the Busa is the only option.

That’s a fact Jack Busa is the only way !