Gen 3 Performance

[Bumblebee]

I rode an M1000RR which had a lot of money spent on it.....

It was a ferocious beast but had a bunch of quirks as well...it handled so fast it was almost twitchy which would be welcome on a track but annoying on the street...if you were even a little lazy going into any sort of complex corner and didn't pay strict attention, you could end up in a field in a hurry...I of course was pretty reserved on the thing as the price tag kept echoing in the back of my head.....

 

[sixpack577]

Look at how well this "Big Country's" GSXR does.....it is a beast as well....

Yep, and I like the weight and size of the Busa too.
Riding a 1k long term isn't fun...unless it has dirtbike bars for comfort.
I don't like that the Busa is slower than the 1k's now either, but, it's not that big of a deal to me, I'm not a dragracer.
I do like to play a little on a straight stretch, and see what a bike can do to, but my old '03 gsxr1k will easily pull an 11 o'clock wheelie, and it Feels quick when you ride it...but a gen2 will eat it's lunch.
I still think I'll get a gen3, full duals, flash, suspension, brakes, and just enjoy it.
I'de really like to supercharge it too(probelms solved, lol), but being the fastest doesn't matter to me, and hasn't in Many years...unless the road is twisty, lol

 

[Bumblebee]

Yep, and I like the weight and size of the Busa too.
Riding a 1k long term isn't fun...unless it has dirtbike bars for comfort.
I don't like that the Busa is slower than the 1k's now either, but, it's not that big of a deal to me, I'm not a dragracer.
I do like to play a little on a straight stretch, and see what a bike can do to, but my old '03 gsxr1k will easily pull an 11 o'clock wheelie, and it Feels quick when you ride it...but a gen2 will eat it's lunch.
I still think I'll get a gen3, full duals, flash, suspension, brakes, and just enjoy it.
I'de really like to supercharge it too(probelms solved, lol), but being the fastest doesn't matter to me, and hasn't in Many years...unless the road is twisty, lol

I find I enjoy the ride more than anything these days going fast and carving corners is behind me now...I just like to get out into the wind and look around....

Technically I could do this on a much less powerful bike then the Hayabusa but that's what I own so that's what I ride. It is fun to wick it up from time to time...

 

[sixpack577]

I find I enjoy the ride more than anything these days going fast and carving corners is behind me now...I just like to get out into the wind and look around....

Technically I could do this on a much less powerful bike then the Hayabusa but that's what I own so that's what I ride. It is fun to wick it up from time to time...

Yeah, sadly, I'm becoming that guy...
lol

 

[Bumblebee]

Yeah, sadly, I'm becoming that guy...
lol

Exactly....

Personally I'd love to get on one of the current 400 or so little bikes, they are all I really need for what I do...

However, I have already resigned to the fact the Bumblebee is my last bike.....and I will stick to that because I have just the right level of stubbornness to do so...

 

[sixpack577]

Exactly....

Personally I'd love to get on one of the current 400 or so little bikes, they are all I really need for what I do...

However, I have already resigned to the fact the Bumblebee is my last bike.....and I will stick to that because I have just the right level of stubbornness to do so...

Nah, your last post said it best.
I like the big power on tap at All times...I just don't use it as often anymore.
Alot of my rides are weekdays, or fridays, I just take a vacation day at work and go.
This means that most of the roads I ride are deserted, and I can literally go 15-25mph, alot of times side saddle(I do that at any speeds, lol, it's comfortable), and just creep around the countryside, or up into the mountains.
No real schedule or plan.
As you said, looking around.
I'll get on it for a bit in a good set of curves, maybe even pull a wheelie, but then I'm back into creep mode, left arm on tank.
I think that I've been fast so many times in my life, that just knowing that I still can, at a moments notice, is just as good most days.
Every once in a while I still have to get on it though.
And no bike at all, or anything less than a 1k...just can't give me that feeling.

 

[Bumblebee]

Nah, your last post said it best.
I like the big power on tap at All times...I just don't use it as often anymore.
Alot of my rides are weekdays, or fridays, I just take a vacation day at work and go.
This means that most of the roads I ride are deserted, and I can literally go 15-25mph, alot of times side saddle(I do that at any speeds, lol, it's comfortable), and just creep around the countryside, or up into the mountains.
No real schedule or plan.
As you said, looking around.
I'll get on it for a bit in a good set of curves, maybe even pull a wheelie, but then I'm back into creep mode, left arm on tank.
I think that I've been fast so many times in my life, that just knowing that I still can, at a moments notice, is just as good most days.
Every once in a while I still have to get on it though.
And no bike at all, or anything less than a 1k...just can't give me that feeling.

What I'd really love is an RZ350, 500 or RG500...they'd be a lot of fun on the roads I go on...

But I do get the reason I have the Bumblebee......not to use the power but to know I have it just in case I want to use it...

Just like an old "silver hair" I know who has a Mustang GT500....he just likes to know he has the power but doesn't actually need it...

But what's really cool is when you see his wife driving it sometimes....a typical silver hair grandma.....who can drive the wheels off the thing if she wanted to.

 

[SPECIALFORCESOFGOD]

I think the Hayabusa shines in longer rides....the liter bikes are small and tight to ride on for any length of time...

That and the weight of the Hayabusa makes it nicer to ride on rougher roads as it soaks up the bumps better and gets blown around by the wind a lot less..

The last GSXR1K I rode was awful on the hiway as even oncoming pick up trucks would almost blow it off the road and any cross wind was a challenge....I was glad to get back on my Hayabusa...

That's what I like about the 'Busa...the stability in crosswinds. I feel so safe on my Gen 3. My Gen 2 ZX-10R is a heavy literbike yet it's easily moved by any wind, and it just feels so shintzy compared to the 'Busa.

It's not the fastest bike, but it is so smooth and has an unmistakable look. It's in a class of its own.

I wouldn't sell my Gen 3 not even to recoup funds to buy an Aprilia RSV4 Factory 1100, which is the only bike I am internally suffering not owning one.

 

[SS4Luck]

That's good real world knowledge....

You've done a ton of work on your bike and it's most likely close in line to the EJR bike would you say?

Evan is still way lighter than my bike is, but they’re built with the same mentalities.



A while ago in the Gen 2 or Gen 3 thread I said buy a Gen 3 if you wanna do basic bolt ons and cruise with your friends and buy a Gen 2 if you’re trying to actually go fast and I still stand by the statement. On a conservative estimate I have 10 grand into my bike not including initial purchase and could have spent that money to buy a gen 2 that is just as fast or faster than what I have currently.

 

[Bumblebee]

Evan is still way lighter than my bike is, but they’re built with the same mentalities.



A while ago in the Gen 2 or Gen 3 thread I said buy a Gen 3 if you wanna do basic bolt ons and cruise with your friends and buy a Gen 2 if you’re trying to actually go fast and I still stand by the statement. On a conservative estimate I have 10 grand into my bike not including initial purchase and could have spent that money to buy a gen 2 that is just as fast or faster than what I have currently.

I couldn't fathom needing any more power than what my Gen 2 delivers, it gets pretty frisky sometimes....

 

[SS4Luck]

I couldn't fathom needing any more power than what my Gen 2 delivers, it gets pretty frisky sometimes....

I don’t think it’s necessarily about more power, it’s about where the bike makes it.


I plan on going turbo, but just doing intake/intake cams studs and springs and shooting for 300 wheel on E85. I think that’ll be enough where I don’t have to gear it for stupid power and it’ll still be enjoyable cruising to bike nights/around town out of boost. Most of my friends ride Harley’s so I kinda have to pick cruiser or race bike and my wife won’t let me get a second one hahaha

 

[dcnblues]

...Without doubt I’m faster on my Gen-3 around the mountains and dams. Twisty roads and on my regular rides.

My Gen-3 is a lot easier to ride fast than my early Gen-2. 95+% of the time my Gen-2 would be a lot of work to sit with my 3. I don’t live near long boring highways or miles of motorways, I live near fun roads and the 3 works well. My Gen-2’s couple of extra ponys or slight advantage at full tilt isn’t any advantage here. It will be at the drags.

A lot of folk seem obsessed with outright top speed and bragging numbers. I like big numbers and hope to see some with my Gen-2, but for me the 3’s tech and improvements give it an advantage. The Busa wasn’t designed to be a corner carver, but the 3 does it better for me than previous models.

This is exactly where I am. And I'm not so sure the Gen 3 isn't faster than just a Gen 2 or 1 in the twisties. I think on a twisty enough road, mine might be as fast or faster than most liter bikes. The last 1000 I rode was a Kawasaki, and it was geared so tall you never took it out of first and even in first you could never get up into the real power band before the next curve -again, on a super twisty road. (I also feel like the Gen 3 might be shorter geared than it's predecessors. First gear red line is what, about 90 mph?)

I almost feel like we need a new performance standard. How much torque in first gear at 40 mph? What is the bikes torque to weight ratio at 40 mph? By that standard, the Gen 3 feels pretty damm supreme. It's so smooth and stable, yet agile and balanced. I can't easily describe how much I love riding this thing.

Maybe I'm wrong and the Triumph Speed Triple 1200 RR , or a couple of the v4s would pull harder at 40 mph. What do I know? Other than they would have to prove it.

PS I'm actually quite liking the Battlax S22s, but when I put new rubber on I'm both going to a 190/55 rear, and putting on adjustable raising links, and adding a tooth on the rear sprocket. I'll start the links at plus one inch and lower them to taste. I'm really curious whether I will like the new handling. The bike turns in smoothly and easily now, but I'm guessing I'll like it even more just a bit less stable.

 

[Bumblebee]

This is exactly where I am. And I'm not so sure the Gen 3 isn't faster than just a Gen 2 or 1 in the twisties. I think on a twisty enough road, mine might be as fast or faster than most liter bikes. The last 1000 I rode was a Kawasaki, and it was geared so tall you never took it out of first and even in first you could never get up into the real power band before the next curve -again, on a super twisty road. (I also feel like the Gen 3 might be shorter geared than it's predecessors. First gear red line is what, about 90 mph?)

I almost feel like we need a new performance standard. How much torque in first gear at 40 mph? What is the bikes torque to weight ratio at 40 mph? By that standard, the Gen 3 feels pretty damm supreme. It's so smooth and stable, yet agile and balanced. I can't easily describe how much I love riding this thing.

Maybe I'm wrong and the Triumph Speed Triple 1200 RR , or a couple of the v4s would pull harder at 40 mph. What do I know? Other than they would have to prove it.

PS I'm actually quite liking the Battlax S22s, but when I put new rubber on I'm both going to a 190/55 rear, and putting on adjustable raising links, and adding a tooth on the rear sprocket. I'll start the links at plus one inch and lower them to taste. I'm really curious whether I will like the new handling. The bike turns in smoothly and easily now, but I'm guessing I'll like it even more just a bit less stable.

I find I can wrestle my bike pretty well around some tight back roads but at the other side you know you were riding a heavy bike..

I've gone through the same back roads on a couple modern liter bikes and at the end wasn't near as much a work out than with the Bumblebee...

I have upgraded brakes and suspension so it's as good as it gets in that department other than going full Ohlins....but it is a big heavy beast....

But I agree, the torque sure makes corner exits exciting....a liter bike has nowhere near that corner exit torque...

 

[Bumblebee]

Yikes.....

Note the hp/tq output and it's running a 520 chain

 

[Robert 0046]

My Brocks/ Corbin seat sure weights more than the oem but it sure brings a performance angle in the way you seat vs the oem you get to seat lower and lower is much better.

 

[Bumblebee]

So the Gen 3 has been out for a while and a few members here on the site have spent a lot of time and money getting their Gen 3s lighter, faster and prettier......but....

How are these heavily modded bikes holding up against the other bikes?
Are they holding their own against the liter bikes in roll-ons or a bit of grudge running?
....or is all this hard work more for a labor of love and personal satisfaction?

I like to follow along the journey these bikes are taking, the craftsmanship and pride being taken in building them is really something.

I've watched lots of You Tube videos of roll racing and such and have seen very few Hayabusas on these videos and the ones I do see are generally back-benching.

 

[SS4Luck]

So the Gen 3 has been out for a while and a few members here on the site have spent a lot of time and money getting their Gen 3s lighter, faster and prettier......but....

How are these heavily modded bikes holding up against the other bikes?
Are they holding their own against the liter bikes in roll-ons or a bit of grudge running?
....or is all this hard work more for a labor of love and personal satisfaction?

I like to follow along the journey these bikes are taking, the craftsmanship and pride being taken in building them is really something.

I've watched lots of You Tube videos of roll racing and such and have seen very few Hayabusas on these videos and the ones I do see are generally back-benching.

I still lose to a well ridden liter bike from a higher roll, but I’ve gone from the back of the pack to the front at least. The new liters still come around me hard at 140-150. The lighter I get the faster the bike gets, and now with my Max I’ve shaved almost 150’ off of my 40-160 distance. I haven’t gone out racing with it yet though it’s still got some tweaks to be made.

40-130, it takes a well ridden dialed in S1K/ZX10 to beat me, 40-170ish I lose 50-50. I’ve done a bunch of running against a comparable Gen 2nand 80% of the time I’m still ahead at 150. The Gen 3 leaves harder, and then Gen 2 pulls back in 4th and hard in 5th.

My bike is basically done for now until the turbo gets here. I have an aluminum subframe and fiberglass tail section coming that should cut 15? 20? Lbs off? But I’m also losing the taillight and aesthetics. It’s a JLdesigns bare minimum subframe and will be a catalyst suoer stock fiberglass tail and I’ll wire in some LEDs for tail lights.

Bike sits now:
BT stacks, Arata Delta II, DNA filter, MaxxECU autotune
64” wheelbase
446 lbs (not including the subframe. Long term goal is 475lbs, 400hp)
Reliably a 3.87- 3.92 60-130 bike


There are faster Gen 3s out there than me. But not by much.

 

[Bumblebee]

I still lose to a well ridden liter bike from a higher roll, but I’ve gone from the back of the pack to the front at least. The new liters still come around me hard at 140-150. The lighter I get the faster the bike gets, and now with my Max I’ve shaved almost 150’ off of my 40-160 distance. I haven’t gone out racing with it yet though it’s still got some tweaks to be made.

40-130, it takes a well ridden dialed in S1K/ZX10 to beat me, 40-170ish I lose 50-50. I’ve done a bunch of running against a comparable Gen 2nand 80% of the time I’m still ahead at 150. The Gen 3 leaves harder, and then Gen 2 pulls back in 4th and hard in 5th.

My bike is basically done for now until the turbo gets here. I have an aluminum subframe and fiberglass tail section coming that should cut 15? 20? Lbs off? But I’m also losing the taillight and aesthetics. It’s a JLdesigns bare minimum subframe and will be a catalyst suoer stock fiberglass tail and I’ll wire in some LEDs for tail lights.

Bike sits now:
BT stacks, Arata Delta II, DNA filter, MaxxECU autotune
64” wheelbase
446 lbs (not including the subframe. Long term goal is 475lbs, 400hp)
Reliably a 3.87- 3.92 60-130 bike


There are faster Gen 3s out there than me. But not by much.

It's refreshing to hear you are reaping the rewards from all the hard work and money you are spending.....

At least in your circle there's still a bit of fear in the liter riders when they hear the name Hayabusa....

 

[Fernando]

I still lose to a well ridden liter bike from a higher roll, but I’ve gone from the back of the pack to the front at least. The new liters still come around me hard at 140-150. The lighter I get the faster the bike gets, and now with my Max I’ve shaved almost 150’ off of my 40-160 distance. I haven’t gone out racing with it yet though it’s still got some tweaks to be made.

40-130, it takes a well ridden dialed in S1K/ZX10 to beat me, 40-170ish I lose 50-50. I’ve done a bunch of running against a comparable Gen 2nand 80% of the time I’m still ahead at 150. The Gen 3 leaves harder, and then Gen 2 pulls back in 4th and hard in 5th.

My bike is basically done for now until the turbo gets here. I have an aluminum subframe and fiberglass tail section coming that should cut 15? 20? Lbs off? But I’m also losing the taillight and aesthetics. It’s a JLdesigns bare minimum subframe and will be a catalyst suoer stock fiberglass tail and I’ll wire in some LEDs for tail lights.

Bike sits now:
BT stacks, Arata Delta II, DNA filter, MaxxECU autotune
64” wheelbase
446 lbs (not including the subframe. Long term goal is 475lbs, 400hp)
Reliably a 3.87- 3.92 60-130 bike


There are faster Gen 3s out there than me. But not by much.

@SS4Luck thank you so much for your hard work,patience time and money with your bike. Are you using pump gas? literbikes are combining VP with few percent of nitromethane plus a lot of money in the engine. We need to recognize Busa Gen 3 is not fast enough plus busa are heavy (I'm talking stock) to beat literbikes. but you are good to go man, you have an Plan B to destroy this bikes with your new turbo system and you will be the new kid on the block...lol Good luck with your project and go out and kick some a$$

 

[SPECIALFORCESOFGOD]

Nobody could convince me to stop believing that Suzuki left our engine in the hands of the aftermarket.

They changed five hundred something parts, used smaller cams and TBs to increase bottom-end torque, and horsepower just went down a few up top while complying with Euro 5.

It's like they saw how people murdered them out for the track, and decided to instead of chasing higher numbers and reclaiming the street throne, they just made it look nicer for the newcomers like me who were waiting for a new look, and just updated the platform so people could continue murdering them out for the track.

I know they could've made it a monster if they wanted to. Look at how monstrous the Gixxer 1000 still is, how competitive with the new breeds, and they haven't even updated it in a while.