Guilty on all counts

Newsom? Seriously? They are supposed to be trying to find a better replacement. Not worse.
He is the absolute perfect slick talking jimmy walkin pied piper. He’s survived multiple recall votes in his own state which means there are still plenty of people willing to ignore places like LA and SF in their own state? Nationally there are millions who have not paid attn to Cali and don’t know what a craphole some places have turned into. They can skew facts any way they want and lead their masses. Devilish smile.
Let’s hope they are foolish enough to keep running with Biden thinking the world is stupid. Our chances are good. Theirs are bad. A new knight absolutely will reinvigorate them. Careful what we wish for.
 
I'm not so much a total Biden guy as I am a never trump guy. I don't believe a word that comes out of lying, cheating trumps mouth. I don't know whey the news people even bother to say that "trump says he will...". He doesn't do what he says he will do in most cases anyway. He is a pathological liar and I hate those.

At least Biden has the good of the entire country in mind instead of just the billionaire class.

As with most voters, I just wish we had better choices on both sides.
Biden has the good of the country in mind.
Bahahahahahahaha
OMFG…..hahaha yeah sure.

This is why some people shouldn't have an internet connection. Trump wasn't on trial for paying off Stormy. Trump was on trial for falsifying business records to hide the Stormy pay off. Now if you have evidence of Slick Willy falsifying business records to hide the payoff of Paula then fess up otherwise unplug your computer, lots of ignorance is coming out of it right now.

And... to add to that, it's not a felony to pay off your whore...BTW, incase you need to pay for anything, just saying...
Simple difference might be then and now. Back then we still used VHS tapes and carried around camcorders that looked like billboards. NOT everything was digital, seen or recorded and BFE Arkansas was much easier to toss, bury or burn said evidence. Different times and different states. Could be. Just saying.
 
Interesting you only choose 5 years. Why don't you actually chart from 2016 to 2020. That's Trump's term of office.

And since you're struggling. That is not at all what I said. Here is what I posted.

I said this.
"No I'd prefer to use the libtard default logic. That of the current president inherits a market created from the previous president."

You are the one that used that logic in your argument. Your position stated was Trump got a good stock market from Obama. So based on your logic, used not anyone else's, Biden also inherited a good market from Trump. You can't use logic when it only flows in one direction.

Oh wait.

Don Lemon......is that you?
Biden didn't inherit a booming stock market from trump. It was tanking. Can't you read a simple chart of historic data? And trump did inherit a booming stock market and economy from Obama. You cult people refuse to look at facts and seem to instead like those "alternative facts" that I've heard of from Kelly Ann Conjob. I just call them what they really are. Lies.
 
Trump is probably the only president I have seen publicly criticizing the Federal Reserve and trying to influence their decisions.

I don’t think Biden, even in his younger years was smart enough to have an intelligent discussion with Janet Yellen or Jerome Powell.

All the Fed has to do tomorrow is drop the rate by one point and Dow will increase but a 1,000 points.

So to say the White House cannot control the stock market is not entirely accurate. They can actually control the global economy to some extent. Not as a whole, but the Federal Reserve is extremely powerful in the decisions they make.
Are you implying that the white house dictates what they fed does with interest rates?
 
Biden didn't inherit a booming stock market from trump. It was tanking. Can't you read a simple chart of historic data? And trump did inherit a booming stock market and economy from Obama. You cult people refuse to look at facts and seem to instead like those "alternative facts" that I've heard of from Kelly Ann Conjob. I just call them what they really are. Lies.
Which market do wish to chart? Your last example you used the NASDAQ composite index.

So hopefully this is simple enough chart for you to follow.

Go to Trump's term. Show me how it was tanking when Biden inherited it.

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Are you implying that the white house dictates what they fed does with interest rates?
I believe my post you quoted answers your question accurately.

Competent Presidents do not dictate to the Fed what they should do with interest rates, neither do they live in silos. They consult and communicate across the spectrum.

Policy decisions in the Whitehouse may however affect the economy, which in turn will influence how the Fed determines interest rates.

Such as paying NATO to protect the EU, which is bigger than the US. Such as funding Hamas prior to October 7th. Such as discouraging oil exploration and export. Supporting undocumented immigrants. I can probably continue this list for some time.
 
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Which market do wish to chart? Your last example you used the NASDAQ composite index.

So hopefully this is simple enough chart for you to follow.

Go to Trump's term. Show me how it was tanking when Biden inherited it.

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My bad. The 10,000+ point drop in the Dow happened before Biden was elected and under trump. Maybe that had something to do with Biden beating trump in the election. Oh, I forgot. Biden stole the election from trump.
 
My bad. The 10,000+ point drop in the Dow happened before Biden was elected and under trump. Maybe that had something to do with Biden beating trump in the election. Oh, I forgot. Biden stole the election from trump.
Lol. Not due to Biden at all. As you stated. It was before he was elected. That was the shut down of the economy due to COVID. I'm sure you read that in your previous attempts to convince us Biden inherited a tanking stock market. Biden inherited a rallying market. Trump rebounded from COVID in time for Biden to benefit.

Your welcome.

I try to keep it as simple as possible for you cult people.
 
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Biden didn't inherit a booming stock market from trump. It was tanking. Can't you read a simple chart of historic data? And trump did inherit a booming stock market and economy from Obama. You cult people refuse to look at facts and seem to instead like those "alternative facts" that I've heard of from Kelly Ann Conjob. I just call them what they really are. Lies.

I think that’s actually her real name.
 
Must be that you forgot that Obama/Biden inherited an economy that saw more foreclosures than we had seen since the great depression. Our economy was on the verge of a full depression, partially due to the w bush tax cuts for the rich and partially due to his lying us into war in Iraq and putting it all on a credit card. Remember the WMD's that never were there? I do.

And the stock markets are way ahead of where they were when Biden took office, mostly at or near record levels. But if you get your news from newsmax and fox, I don't expect you to know this.
I shut off the cable a couple months ago... so, references to MSM are useless. With what you are mentioning it appears MSNBC and CNN is where you get your mockingbird material for us to read here.

Do you know why Obama inherited the crash in 08? Even CBS got it documented pretty close to the truth a few months after it all went down.
The 60 Minute segment was titled "The Bet that Blew Up Wall Street". This story was the actual truth on a number of key facts.

So... 1. Ever heard of the Commodities, Futures and Moderinzation Act of 2000?

What was it? It was a totally refreshed version of a clever way for investors to bet on whether or not people paid their mortgages. This kind of betting was taking place in the 1920s through the mid 30s unti it was outlawed.... but the damage was already done by that time.

Ever heard of derivatives and credit default swaps? These were new terms for the Act of 2000. Basically the Wall Street Casino was re opened and bets were placed with big investment houses like Leman Brothers. Watch the movie titled "The Big Short" for Hollywoods version of the fleecing of the world. The 08 crash was indeed a world wide crash for many pension funds outside this country got killed It was also an equity theft cycle that got legs from artificially low interest rates that lasted for years allowing the RE market to become over valued... again!

Add to all of the above including bundled securities that were falsely advertised ( fraud ) as grade A for resale around the world. Only one person went to jail when the dust cleared.

The only real reason with a few exceptions ( as in corporations actually doing something ) that the stock market is doing what its been doing is due to QE money being pumped into the banking system and a lot of that money finding it's way into the stock market. In other words the stock market is overvalued too because it has also been artificially pumped up.

The 08 crash was planned in advance... once the commodities bill passed it was game on with Wall Street and mortgage houses in 2001. I will never forget one of Countrywide's ad lines in a commercial they were running. Paraphrased... At Countrywide we can do things other lenders can't do. Just look at the guy running it... Anthony something... looked slicker than Gavin Newsom. Countrywide crashed and Bank of America had to deal with the mess. Remember Indy Mac Bank? Another epic failure with major US Treasury funds draining in the aftermath. Another blatant event was also happening... Indy Mac's housing assets were getting recycled through short sales by One West Bank that had serious Soros money backing it. Also included in that opportunity was John Paulson that made 3.7 billion for his hedge fund in 2007 and Munchkin,, Trump's Secretary of the US Treasury.... financial incest imho... Can you see conflict of interest here?

Once again... never let a crisis go to waste.

I predict another false flag war could break out at anytime... This will make it possible to restructure our debt to zero when the Federal Government collapses and a new Gov is born... That new gov will say that old gov's debt ain't theirs, then, here comes the CBDCs and other draconian legislation. Nothing to see here... the debt is gone.... why else would China recently dump 50 billion in US Treasuries?
 
My bad. The 10,000+ point drop in the Dow happened before Biden was elected and under trump. Maybe that had something to do with Biden beating trump in the election. Oh, I forgot. Biden stole the election from trump.
yeah... Biden got 81 million votes by campaigning from his basement which was more than Obama got... uh huh... At least we didn't have hanging chads like we did with Bush.
 
Trump wasn’t skewered for acknowledging an immigration problem. He was skewered for calling immigrants in general animals and not human and Mexicans specifically thieves and drug dealers.
A nasty generalization not fit from the mouth of a supposed chief of state.
Hi. Well some are, and most are not. Soms American are also and most are not. He also did not say all.
 
^^^^^^^
I always thought motorcycle riders were predominantly Conservative.

Looks like Busa riders are pretty liberal.

Maybe all the Harley riders are mostly conservative?
 
Maybe all the Harley riders are mostly conservative?

I had a Harley, rode with the local chapter for a while. They were actually a really nice organized bunch, but mainly conservative.

Excellent infrastructure for group riding, fellowship and events organization. Sadly I hated riding a tractor at 60mph for hours on end, so that was the end of that.
 
I had a Harley, rode with the local chapter for a while. They were actually a really nice organized bunch, but mainly conservative.

Excellent infrastructure for group riding, fellowship and events organization. Sadly I hated riding a tractor at 60mph for hours on end, so that was the end of that.
I've never been big on V twins. Even KTM's Super Duke has a kind of tractor feel to it. As far as political demographics, I've always had the inkling that car and motorcycle as well as motorsports enthusiasts tend to lean conservative politically. I think what you're getting here is for some reason more of our liberal members participating in these discussions.
 
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