Guilty on all counts

The sleazy justice system is on display right now. Clinton paid Paula Jones $850,000 to shut up. Did Clinton get charged with felonies for that act of self preservation? No... why not?
I'll agree to this fact.

Trump was bought up misdemeanor charges, that got elevated to criminal specifically for him.

No banks complained. No banks lost money. No tax dollars were used. Nobody was harmed.

They ordered a bond of $454M against him.

Bernie Maddoff. Also of NY. Bilked thousands of people out of billions of dollars. Ruined the lives of many. Criminal crimes beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Was levied a bond of $10M.

And no Libtard can figure out why Trump won't lose his voting base.
 
Where your chart is wrong.

Let's specifically compare Obama vs Trump charts.


In every chart you see a trajectory. In every chart you can see what happened when they insisted on shutting down our nations economy. Which Trump was opposed to doing. But never the less it cratered his trajectory. Then you see how he overcame that and rebounded the market which was on track to overtake Obama yet again, despite the Covid setback.

Obama wasn't faced with Covid. He wasn't faced shutting down our entire economy. So it would only be a guess as to what it would have done under his watch. And we will never know what would have happened if Trump got to continue for another 4 years. But if you look at every comparison, he was set to outperform his previous administration.

And remember if Trump gets elected. He's going to inherit an economy that is chyt. So he will have his work cut out for him. AGAIN!

Now would you care to engage on the rest of the economic markets during both administrations?

The job growth charts by comparison happened to be included in the link I provided.

Would you care to compare the cost of energy, the interest rates, the rise in better paying jobs vs minimum wage job growth, between these 2 time-frames?
Must be that you forgot that Obama/Biden inherited an economy that saw more foreclosures than we had seen since the great depression. Our economy was on the verge of a full depression, partially due to the w bush tax cuts for the rich and partially due to his lying us into war in Iraq and putting it all on a credit card. Remember the WMD's that never were there? I do.

And the stock markets are way ahead of where they were when Biden took office, mostly at or near record levels. But if you get your news from newsmax and fox, I don't expect you to know this.
 
Must be that you forgot that Obama/Biden inherited an economy that saw more foreclosures than we had seen since the great depression. Our economy was on the verge of a full depression, partially due to the w bush tax cuts for the rich and partially due to his lying us into war in Iraq and putting it all on a credit card. Remember the WMD's that never were there? I do.

And the stock markets are way ahead of where they were when Biden took office, mostly at or near record levels. But if you get your news from newsmax and fox, I don't expect you to know this.
Exactly. Obama inherited a massive financial mess. How easily people forget when trying to make a point.
As for the stock market, long term a sound investment as it keeps setting records regardless of who is in the Oval Office.
 
The sleazy justice system is on display right now. Clinton paid Paula Jones $850,000 to shut up. Did Clinton get charged with felonies for that act of self preservation? No... why not?
Must be that you missed it, but trump didn't get charged for paying hush money. He got convicted of writing it off as a business expense. Big difference there.

Clinton settled out of court with Paula Jones, just like trump settled out of court for his sham university and stealing money from a charity and many other things.
 
Come On Biden GIF by GIPHY News

knew economy before running *
 
Pretty rich for you to imply someone else can’t handle the truth.
For starters, post a link to the damning video about Pelosi turning down National Gaurd support. She took responsibility later because of chain of command, as Trump should have done, in the sequence of events on Jan 6th.
She did not turn down the troops, it was not her call directly.
Why I waste my time responding to you is a mystery.
In a nutshell, Trump today still believes the election was stolen. It is just that personality type, they don’t accept defeat no matter what. Even if it means lying.

He was 100% responsible for rallying the protestors. I don’t think he had the intent for it to get out of hand the way it did though.

On both January 3rd and 5th, he did mention that they should deploy 10,000 troops from the National Guard. He could have initiated that himself though and did no follow up to make sure it happens. Subsequently he did twist the facts in his favor and continues to do so. When it comes to twisting facts and distortion of the truth to some degree, Biden is no better though.

Below is a more accurate account:

 
I'm not so much a total Biden guy as I am a never trump guy. I don't believe a word that comes out of lying, cheating trumps mouth. I don't know whey the news people even bother to say that "trump says he will...". He doesn't do what he says he will do in most cases anyway. He is a pathological liar and I hate those.

At least Biden has the good of the entire country in mind instead of just the billionaire class.

As with most voters, I just wish we had better choices on both sides.
 
Trump takes Truman’s “The buck stops here” and turns it into political dodgeball.
Trump: “I didn’t see the buck. Did you see the buck? Did the Democrats steal it?”
 
Must be that you forgot that Obama/Biden inherited an economy that saw more foreclosures than we had seen since the great depression. Our economy was on the verge of a full depression, partially due to the w bush tax cuts for the rich and partially due to his lying us into war in Iraq and putting it all on a credit card. Remember the WMD's that never were there? I do.

And the stock markets are way ahead of where they were when Biden took office, mostly at or near record levels. But if you get your news from newsmax and fox, I don't expect you to know this.

I didn't forget it at all. You went there. I participated.

Since you decided to go there. Yes, Bush had to deal with this foreclosure b/s on his watch. And you left out the events of 911. That also happened on his watch. That also tanked our markets during his watch. And yes he got us into a b/s war that sucked 20 years of spending money. That was a bad decision on his part.

You also left out that he spent a LOT of tax dollars securing our country from further attacks. Which he was successful at.

But you're absolutely right. Foreclosures were at a record high in 2008. Caused from toxic lending practices put into place by Bill Clinton. Look it up.

And along comes Obama. Who promptly bailed out all of those lenders. Not one went to jail. And all of those foreclosed parties were put out of the housing market for about a decade since their credit was now wrecked. The banks were able to pull off the biggest real estate wealth transfer in history. With Obama's help.

I voted for Obama on his platform of National healthcare. I voted against him after he screwed over Americans for the 2nd time.

"And the stock markets are way ahead of where they were when Biden took office, mostly at or near record levels. But if you get your news from newsmax and fox, I don't expect you to know this."

No I'd prefer to use the libtard default logic. That of the current president inherits a market created from the previous president.

You started this debate with Trump vs Biden. When you don't like those parameters you think it better to try and cherry pick some past political history to bail yourself out. You do follow the Libtard cult pretty predictably.
 
I didn't forget it at all. You went there. I participated.

Since you decided to go there. Yes, Bush had to deal with this foreclosure b/s on his watch. And you left out the events of 911. That also happened on his watch. That also tanked our markets during his watch. And yes he got us into a b/s war that sucked 20 years of spending money. That was a bad decision on his part.

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And along comes Obama. Who promptly bailed out all of those lenders. Not one went to jail. And all of those foreclosed parties were put out of the housing market for about a decade since their credit was now wrecked. The banks were able to pull off the biggest real estate wealth transfer in history. With Obama's help.
What an interesting take on Obama pulling the country out of a hole. Only an uber conservative would see it that way. That’s the problem with uber conservatives and uber liberals. They suck.
 
I didn't forget it at all. You went there. I participated.

Since you decided to go there. Yes, Bush had to deal with this foreclosure b/s on his watch. And you left out the events of 911. That also happened on his watch. That also tanked our markets during his watch. And yes he got us into a b/s war that sucked 20 years of spending money. That was a bad decision on his part.

You also left out that he spent a LOT of tax dollars securing our country from further attacks. Which he was successful at.

But you're absolutely right. Foreclosures were at a record high in 2008. Caused from toxic lending practices put into place by Bill Clinton. Look it up.

And along comes Obama. Who promptly bailed out all of those lenders. Not one went to jail. And all of those foreclosed parties were put out of the housing market for about a decade since their credit was now wrecked. The banks were able to pull off the biggest real estate wealth transfer in history. With Obama's help.

I voted for Obama on his platform of National healthcare. I voted against him after he screwed over Americans for the 2nd time.

"And the stock markets are way ahead of where they were when Biden took office, mostly at or near record levels. But if you get your news from newsmax and fox, I don't expect you to know this."

No I'd prefer to use the libtard default logic. That of the current president inherits a market created from the previous president.

You started this debate with Trump vs Biden. When you don't like those parameters you think it better to try and cherry pick some past political history to bail yourself out. You do follow the Libtard cult pretty predictably.
Rush, is that you? I heard that you died but you sure do sound like him.

As to the stock markets, only in trump cultville would you hear that Biden inherited a booming market. Here's the 5 year historical nasdaq chart. Just look at how that was booming, I mean tanking when Biden took office. https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/^IXIC/?p=^IXIC
 
Rush, is that you? I heard that you died but you sure do sound like him.

As to the stock markets, only in trump cultville would you hear that Biden inherited a booming market. Here's the 5 year historical nasdaq chart. Just look at how that was booming, I mean tanking when Biden took office. https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/^IXIC/?p=^IXIC

Interesting you only choose 5 years. Why don't you actually chart from 2016 to 2020. That's Trump's term of office.

And since you're struggling. That is not at all what I said. Here is what I posted.

I said this.
"No I'd prefer to use the libtard default logic. That of the current president inherits a market created from the previous president."

You are the one that used that logic in your argument. Your position stated was Trump got a good stock market from Obama. So based on your logic, used not anyone else's, Biden also inherited a good market from Trump. You can't use logic when it only flows in one direction.

Oh wait.

Don Lemon......is that you?
 
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I don't believe a word that comes out of lying, cheating trumps mouth. I don't know whey the news people even bother to say that "trump says he will...". He doesn't do what he says he will do in most cases anyway. He is a pathological liar and I hate those.
The only place you will find Jesus is in the Bible. Obama came close, but he also lied, flew Hunter around sponsoring corruption among other things.

Do you think a politician will survive if he was 100% honest? I don’t think so, as they are all crooked.

Let’s look at how almost all the Democrats lie.

They all said Biden’s age is a non issue, he is sharp, very smart, they deal with him daily and he is 100% cognizant. They cover up and hide the real situation, they all blame the Republicans for misinterpretation of his behavior in public.

IMHO, long before this debate, anyone who had the opinion that Biden was not mentally and physically impaired, was either very naive, or not very smart. The Democrats, all of them knew this, they lied, they covered it up, tried to keep his classified documents interview transcripts hidden. They lied until they can no longer cover it up, as the debate showed the real truth to the entire world.

Trump is now blamed for all his lies during the debate, problem is, the little we could understand from Biden’s presentation was twisting the truth to the same extent. Both were telling the voters what the want to hear, by twisting facts.
 
Interesting you only choose 5 years. Why don't you actually chart from 2016 to 2020. That's Trump's term of office.

And since you're struggling. That is not at all what I said. Here is what I posted.

I said this.
"No I'd prefer to use the libtard default logic. That of the current president inherits a market created from the previous president."

Your position stated was Trump got a good stock market from Obama. So based on your logic, used not anyone else's, Biden also inherited a good market from Trump. You can't use logic when it only flows in one direction.
How about not relying so much on the direct connection between the White House and the stock market? How about give the American populace some credit? If one looks at the stock market over the years, you'll see steady growth, albeit with short period downs that are quickly rectified, regardless of what party is in at the time. Regardless, one of the main common points in political debate is the state of the stock market. It's really pretty ironic.
 
How about not relying so much on the direct connection between the White House and the stock market? How about give the American populace some credit? If one looks at the stock market over the years, you'll see steady growth, albeit with short period downs that are quickly rectified, regardless of what party is in at the time. Regardless, one of the main common points in political debate is the state of the stock market. It's really pretty ironic.
Trump is probably the only president I have seen publicly criticizing the Federal Reserve and trying to influence their decisions.

I don’t think Biden, even in his younger years was smart enough to have an intelligent discussion with Janet Yellen or Jerome Powell.

All the Fed has to do tomorrow is drop the rate by one point and Dow will increase but a 1,000 points.

So to say the White House cannot control the stock market is not entirely accurate. They can actually control the global economy to some extent. Not as a whole, but the Federal Reserve is extremely powerful in the decisions they make.
 
So to say the White House cannot control the stock market is not entirely accurate. They can actually control the global economy to some extent. Not as a whole, but the Federal Reserve is extremely powerful in the decisions they make.
I have to say not in my experience, and a detailed look at the stock market over the last 20, even 30 years proves my point. The fed adjusting the prime rate will cause a 1-3 day up or down, but the numbers, like water, find their level. Over analyzation makes all the financial 'geniuses' feel important but history doesn't lie.
 
I have to say not in my experience, and a detailed look at the stock market over the last 20, even 30 years proves my point. The fed adjusting the prime rate will cause a 1-3 day up or down, but the numbers, like water, find their level. It makes all the financial 'geniuses' feel important but history doesn't lie.
If you are into automotive, I compare the Federal Reserve to the PID loop, on a good cruise control. One which keeps the range within 1mph.

They control the economy with interest rates and the cost of money. But they are always behind the curve, reactive rather than proactive. They either keep rates high, or low too long. Their speed control is within 10 mph, up or down.
 
The sleazy justice system is on display right now. Clinton paid Paula Jones $850,000 to shut up. Did Clinton get charged with felonies for that act of self preservation? No... why not?
This is why some people shouldn't have an internet connection. Trump wasn't on trial for paying off Stormy. Trump was on trial for falsifying business records to hide the Stormy pay off. Now if you have evidence of Slick Willy falsifying business records to hide the payoff of Paula then fess up otherwise unplug your computer, lots of ignorance is coming out of it right now.

And... to add to that, it's not a felony to pay off your whore...BTW, incase you need to pay for anything, just saying...
 
put into place by Bill Clinton. Look it up.
We have already discussed this Tom....don't make me go get those Senate voting records again....that lending Bill had FULL support from Republicans and Democrats stop blaming Slick Willy for it. Stop repeating this BS.
 
We have already discussed this Tom....don't make me go get those Senate voting records again....that lending Bill had FULL support from Republicans and Democrats stop blaming Slick Willy for it. Stop repeating this BS.
If we had them you would have remembered that Bill Clinton used over 100 executive orders, none which requires Senate or Congress approval, to put the wheels in motion for the housing debacle.

It was all part of his National Home Ownership policy.

Through executive orders, 10 federal agencies were forced to enforce new "flexible" mortgage underwriting guidelines to boost low-income and minority homeownership.

Banks were ordered to qualify low-income borrowers with spotty credit. The 1994 policy planted the seeds of the mortgage crisis, as lenders eventually abandoned prudent underwriting altogether.

The next year, Clinton, not Senate, not Congress, set quotas for lending in high-risk neighborhoods under an overhauled Community Reinvestment Act, while adding several hundred bank examiners to enforce the tougher CRA rules. Banks that came up short had expansion plans put on hold — a slow death sentence in an era of bank mergers and acquisitions.

For the first time, CRA ratings were made public, allowing ACORN and other inner-city groups, which used the reports to extort banks for $6 trillion in subprime loan set-asides by 2008.

When bankers resisted being saddled with so many risky loans, Clinton, not Senate, Not Congress, tapped Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to take them off their books, while freeing bankers to originate more of the loans. Clinton, not Senate, not Congress, made the Department of Housing and Urban Development nearly double Fannie's and Freddie's quotas for underwriting "affordable" loans, which remained in force throughout the 2000s.

When the mortgage giants pushed back, complaining that it would be hard to meet the higher targets, Clinton, not Senate, not Congress, pushed them to load up on subprime loans, while authorizing Fannie and Freddie for the first time to buy subprime securities to earn credits toward the HUD goals. The mortgage giants complied to their great detriment.

Clinton, not Senate, not Congress, was also responsible for securitizing these loans which combined bad loans with good loans in packages that were sold to Wall Street institutions, including insurance companies. The mix of these junk loans made it impossible for investors to tell good ones from bad, and the markets eventually seized up and crashed.

Hopefully that refreshes your memory, if in fact we ever discussed it.
 
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