Has anyone installed the "no cut" frame sliders?
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TruWrecks
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On the Gen II T-Rex sliders the bar is much closer to the headers than the radiator. With the placement of the fans, you would have to snap the bar in the middle and collapse one of the mounts to even reach the radiator.
BikeDesignBenelux
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Hi guys,
I work at Bike Design and got an e-mail from one of the board members, telling me about this topic. There's no way T-Rex can make those sets at a decent quality if you have a look at the price. How I know? Because we make the same sets. And when I say the same, I mean that out sets are optically identical except for the sliders themselves. We've been making those sliders for ages; in fact, they are our core product since 1999. We've sold over 60.000 sets without serious issues... T-Rex must have liked our stuff, because he bought a pair of each set of no-cut sliders from one of our distributors so that he could make a shameless copy of ours and started selling them late 2006.
Unlike T-Rex, we don't tend to use cheap stuff. That’s why we have been contacted by Kawasaki Europe to make the official Kawasaki frame slider sets later on. The Belgian Police Force uses our sliders too; sold hundreds of pairs to them over the years and got 0 complaints...
We've ordered some of T-Rex’ sets through one of our foreign relations and examined them at our workshop. I'm not going to jump into details, but, we were astonished by some of the things we found. Materials, weldings, ... Just have a look at these pictures. How well do you think that material will cope in a crash? Making shameless copies without knowing what you're doing can do that...
I’ve made some pictures of some of the sets we both offer: a Hayabusa (99-06), CBR600RR (03-04), CBR600F4i and a TL1000R kit. I chose to take these because these have complicated designs for the mounting pads. I spread the kits out on the floor in the same way T-Rex took his pictures, which makes it easy for you to compare them. I’ll add some of our development pictures as well, just to prove that we’ve been working on the bike, starting from scratch in stead of stealing some other company’s ideas. Keep in mind that even though it looks identical, it isn’t... You have to have the right materials and that’s where he doesn’t do his homework (well, cheating) properly.
CBR600F4i
The difference? He makes more weldings while we do more laser cutting for a stronger bracket. This also improves the fitment because the material tends to bend when you heat it in the welding process. Other difference: he welds a nut on the mounting bracket and therefore makes a hollow interior in the aluminium crash pad holders. We used to do it too, but were able to improve the design by creating a thread in the mounting pad. This makes the construction more solid. We learnt that from our experience with other kits we developed.
The development pictures date from October 20th 2001. T-Rex wasn’t around at that time; he only started doing frame sliders late 2006. ... The huge black slider was our first type, but we’ve changed the design to the white type of slider in 2001 and to the round conical type in 2007.
CBR600RR
The difference? None, I think. I see that he doesn’t use the soft (grey) pads on the mounting brackets though. They don’t compromise the stability of the kit because of the way it’s mounted, but they make sure you don’t damage the frame and they dampen high frequency vibrations caused by the engine. These could compromise the strength of the bolt, especially if you don’t use Loctite. The M12 bolt he uses, has an allen head just like the others. I don't know why he didn't use a hex head like we do, because that's what you should do on the place where that bolt comes. The allen head bolt is longer, too long, so it touches things it shouldn't. he kit will damage the bike because he didn't choose to use a shorter hex head...
I work at Bike Design and got an e-mail from one of the board members, telling me about this topic. There's no way T-Rex can make those sets at a decent quality if you have a look at the price. How I know? Because we make the same sets. And when I say the same, I mean that out sets are optically identical except for the sliders themselves. We've been making those sliders for ages; in fact, they are our core product since 1999. We've sold over 60.000 sets without serious issues... T-Rex must have liked our stuff, because he bought a pair of each set of no-cut sliders from one of our distributors so that he could make a shameless copy of ours and started selling them late 2006.
Unlike T-Rex, we don't tend to use cheap stuff. That’s why we have been contacted by Kawasaki Europe to make the official Kawasaki frame slider sets later on. The Belgian Police Force uses our sliders too; sold hundreds of pairs to them over the years and got 0 complaints...
We've ordered some of T-Rex’ sets through one of our foreign relations and examined them at our workshop. I'm not going to jump into details, but, we were astonished by some of the things we found. Materials, weldings, ... Just have a look at these pictures. How well do you think that material will cope in a crash? Making shameless copies without knowing what you're doing can do that...
I’ve made some pictures of some of the sets we both offer: a Hayabusa (99-06), CBR600RR (03-04), CBR600F4i and a TL1000R kit. I chose to take these because these have complicated designs for the mounting pads. I spread the kits out on the floor in the same way T-Rex took his pictures, which makes it easy for you to compare them. I’ll add some of our development pictures as well, just to prove that we’ve been working on the bike, starting from scratch in stead of stealing some other company’s ideas. Keep in mind that even though it looks identical, it isn’t... You have to have the right materials and that’s where he doesn’t do his homework (well, cheating) properly.
CBR600F4i
The difference? He makes more weldings while we do more laser cutting for a stronger bracket. This also improves the fitment because the material tends to bend when you heat it in the welding process. Other difference: he welds a nut on the mounting bracket and therefore makes a hollow interior in the aluminium crash pad holders. We used to do it too, but were able to improve the design by creating a thread in the mounting pad. This makes the construction more solid. We learnt that from our experience with other kits we developed.
The development pictures date from October 20th 2001. T-Rex wasn’t around at that time; he only started doing frame sliders late 2006. ... The huge black slider was our first type, but we’ve changed the design to the white type of slider in 2001 and to the round conical type in 2007.
CBR600RR
The difference? None, I think. I see that he doesn’t use the soft (grey) pads on the mounting brackets though. They don’t compromise the stability of the kit because of the way it’s mounted, but they make sure you don’t damage the frame and they dampen high frequency vibrations caused by the engine. These could compromise the strength of the bolt, especially if you don’t use Loctite. The M12 bolt he uses, has an allen head just like the others. I don't know why he didn't use a hex head like we do, because that's what you should do on the place where that bolt comes. The allen head bolt is longer, too long, so it touches things it shouldn't. he kit will damage the bike because he didn't choose to use a shorter hex head...
BikeDesignBenelux
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I'll have to make a second reply because I can only add as muych as 10 pics per post.
The development pictures date from May 19th 2003. T-Rex didn’t even exist at that time. You can see some writings on the prototype mounting brackets, indicating where reinforcements and weldings should be made. You also see that they aren’t black yet, as all our prototypes...
TL1000R
The difference? We just started making black holders for the sliders, but before, they were aluminium, just like T-Rex. I spot a change on the right hand side bracket that he didn’t make. Probably because we update our kits when we find improvements...
I haven’t got the original development pictures, but I found these ones, dating from June 3rd 2003. Once again: T-Rex didn’t even exist at that time.
And now, most important for you guys: Hayabusa
No difference to spot. He’s even made the bar narrower in the middle to that it doesn’t touch the radiator.
View attachment 1526175
I haven’t got development pictures, but the oldest ones I found are from June 18th 2001. T-Rex didn’t even exist...
I hope this helps you see why I’m so angry with T-Rex and why he manages to keep his prices that low... They copy us and while doing it, they get it al wrong and give no-cut sliders a bad name by using cheap materials...
Feel free to contact me if you’d have questions...
Regards,
Christophe, Bike Design Benelux
The development pictures date from May 19th 2003. T-Rex didn’t even exist at that time. You can see some writings on the prototype mounting brackets, indicating where reinforcements and weldings should be made. You also see that they aren’t black yet, as all our prototypes...
TL1000R
The difference? We just started making black holders for the sliders, but before, they were aluminium, just like T-Rex. I spot a change on the right hand side bracket that he didn’t make. Probably because we update our kits when we find improvements...
I haven’t got the original development pictures, but I found these ones, dating from June 3rd 2003. Once again: T-Rex didn’t even exist at that time.
And now, most important for you guys: Hayabusa
No difference to spot. He’s even made the bar narrower in the middle to that it doesn’t touch the radiator.
I haven’t got development pictures, but the oldest ones I found are from June 18th 2001. T-Rex didn’t even exist...
I hope this helps you see why I’m so angry with T-Rex and why he manages to keep his prices that low... They copy us and while doing it, they get it al wrong and give no-cut sliders a bad name by using cheap materials...
Feel free to contact me if you’d have questions...
Regards,
Christophe, Bike Design Benelux
Thanks Chris for the details on the differences.
BikeDesignBenelux
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LOL! Check this out... Found it elsewhere on the Hayabusaforum. This is a picture T-Rex used to promote his sliders... Keep in mind that he has never ever sold white sliders...
https://www.hayabusa.org/forum/general-bike-related-topics/73717-t-rex-racing-no-cut-frame-sliders.html#post1297386
And this is one of the original development pictures I found in our archives.
How is that for proof that he stole our frame slider constructions?
https://www.hayabusa.org/forum/general-bike-related-topics/73717-t-rex-racing-no-cut-frame-sliders.html#post1297386
And this is one of the original development pictures I found in our archives.
How is that for proof that he stole our frame slider constructions?
Welcome to the forum Christophe,
You make an great product.
I had the unfortunate opportunity to test mine out. I was very happy with the performance. Charles at Street and Track hooked me up with a replacement part (bobbin) to my door in two days. I bought mine before T-Rex started “Attempting” to copy yours. Once I saw some close-up pictures, I could tell he compromised on quality compared to the set I have. The only minor complaint I had was having to mod one bracket on mine slightly to make it fit properly. A bit of time with a grinder took care of it. I’m sure it was due to production variations in the frame and likely a current set from you would fit.
Great Product! Keep up the good work.
You make an great product.
I had the unfortunate opportunity to test mine out. I was very happy with the performance. Charles at Street and Track hooked me up with a replacement part (bobbin) to my door in two days. I bought mine before T-Rex started “Attempting” to copy yours. Once I saw some close-up pictures, I could tell he compromised on quality compared to the set I have. The only minor complaint I had was having to mod one bracket on mine slightly to make it fit properly. A bit of time with a grinder took care of it. I’m sure it was due to production variations in the frame and likely a current set from you would fit.
Great Product! Keep up the good work.
BikeDesignBenelux
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Hi Professor, thanks for your testimonial and good to hear that they already came in handy. Well, "good"... You know. :lookaround: Great to hear that you got good service at street 'n track too!
We regularly hear about differences in frames, that's why some of our kits have spacers to put between the frame and engine if needed. This especially happens with Kawasaki's and CBR600F4's.
Anyhow, "enjoy" the sliders.
We regularly hear about differences in frames, that's why some of our kits have spacers to put between the frame and engine if needed. This especially happens with Kawasaki's and CBR600F4's.
Anyhow, "enjoy" the sliders.
gabelbrucken
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anybody have any pics of these installed? $260......wow.
or is it these for $260
and the $135 ones are standard frame sliders........
If you 'll have a little bit of patience, next week I will mount'em with swingarm carbon cover and rear monoshock...
gabelbrucken
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I'll have to make a second reply because I can only add as muych as 10 pics per post.
The development pictures date from May 19th 2003. T-Rex didn’t even exist at that time. You can see some writings on the prototype mounting brackets, indicating where reinforcements and weldings should be made. You also see that they aren’t black yet, as all our prototypes...
TL1000R
The difference? We just started making black holders for the sliders, but before, they were aluminium, just like T-Rex. I spot a change on the right hand side bracket that he didn’t make. Probably because we update our kits when we find improvements...
I haven’t got the original development pictures, but I found these ones, dating from June 3rd 2003. Once again: T-Rex didn’t even exist at that time.
And now, most important for you guys: Hayabusa
No difference to spot. He’s even made the bar narrower in the middle to that it doesn’t touch the radiator.
View attachment 1526236
I haven’t got development pictures, but the oldest ones I found are from June 18th 2001. T-Rex didn’t even exist...
I hope this helps you see why I’m so angry with T-Rex and why he manages to keep his prices that low... They copy us and while doing it, they get it al wrong and give no-cut sliders a bad name by using cheap materials...
Feel free to contact me if you’d have questions...
Regards,
Christophe, Bike Design Benelux
this is the bloody XXckin' answer that I was waiting for...Thanx Chris.This week I'll remove the T-rex frame sliders and I'll mount the GSG...then, I will think about purchasing even the Bike design...I think that 4 impact points are better than 2...
gabelbrucken
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I ever bought them for my Zx12r and ZZR1400 and B-king directly in Germany.
Pay attention please dear bpjones...If you are taller than me your shins can touch the sliders while changing gears or rear-brakin'...
But...if we are talking about QUALITY...I can compare GSG with T-Rex...and there's not history....
gabelbrucken
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LOL! Check this out... Found it elsewhere on the Hayabusaforum. This is a picture T-Rex used to promote his sliders... Keep in mind that he has never ever sold white sliders...
https://www.hayabusa.org/forum/general-bike-related-topics/73717-t-rex-racing-no-cut-frame-sliders.html#post1297386
And this is one of the original development pictures I found in our archives.
How is that for proof that he stole our frame slider constructions?
Ehi BDB, do you know that in Italy this is a crime punishable with a big amount of money for remboursement ? And T-rex must proof his innocence during a law trial ?
Yes, in Italy maybe BIG crimes can be punished but a design-steal can be hardly punished...
I'm feeling like an idiot piece of crap to have wasted my money in T-rex sliders before a better web-search...
gabelbrucken
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A little question...If you say that T-rex and BDB are equal in SHAPE...
then even BDB will touch slightly the fairing...and a electric connector/cable (I don't know what kind of cable is) is heathen by the slider...
BikeDesignBenelux
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Hey Gabelbrücken,
Yeah, we know we could press charges against T-Rex, but it's not our style to be so strict. We have a rather "loose" way of doing business and we've never had to use a lawyer for any kind of dispute we've had. I guess our business manager doesn't want to waste any time on T-Rex. I wouldn't mind if this situation escalated though. Just to set things straight and to send out a message that we don't fancy that kind of false competition...
About your second post. Our sliders aren't supposed to touch the fairing. I know that they come near to the fairing on the Busa, but they shouldn't touch it. Maybe T-Rex didn't get it right (again). We've sold hundreds of sets of Hayabusa sliders but never had a complaint about them touching the fairing or something about that electric connector/cable you're talking about... Could you be a bit more precise about that last matter? I haven't heard about it yet, but you've made me curious...
Yeah, we know we could press charges against T-Rex, but it's not our style to be so strict. We have a rather "loose" way of doing business and we've never had to use a lawyer for any kind of dispute we've had. I guess our business manager doesn't want to waste any time on T-Rex. I wouldn't mind if this situation escalated though. Just to set things straight and to send out a message that we don't fancy that kind of false competition...
About your second post. Our sliders aren't supposed to touch the fairing. I know that they come near to the fairing on the Busa, but they shouldn't touch it. Maybe T-Rex didn't get it right (again). We've sold hundreds of sets of Hayabusa sliders but never had a complaint about them touching the fairing or something about that electric connector/cable you're talking about... Could you be a bit more precise about that last matter? I haven't heard about it yet, but you've made me curious...
gabelbrucken
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Hi BDB, nice to read you...You are still awake?
Tomorrow I will take a pair of pics of my T-rex sliders...
I have these only at the moment...
They are NOT absolutely ugly and they Seems to be made with a good "steel"...
But to the right and to the left they TOUCH the fairings...and to the right I see the slider touching a cable.no doubts about this problem.Yes I know that for a lot of people a minor scratch on the fairing is not a problem, BUT if you add that you'll have few scratches AND a couple of sliders that can make more damage than the falling itself...YOu can understand that we are talking about TWO BIG problems...SCRATCHES AND USELESS SLIDERS...
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BikeDesignBenelux
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Yeah, I understand. Please keep me posted about that... I want to check with our latest buyers if they've expierenced the same with our sets of sliders, but I think it will only be T-Rex...
gabelbrucken
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I'm going to take pics for you.
Hey man, I've some problems to surf on your web-site...I'm very interesting in purchasing your frame sliders...
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