I concur......
However.....I remember his pictures where the snow banks look like apartment buildings...
But there are lots of really nice pictures and looks like a great neck of the woods to be riding in...
It just doesn't stop
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However.....I remember his pictures where the snow banks look like apartment buildings...
But there are lots of really nice pictures and looks like a great neck of the woods to be riding in...
Snow will happen in Northern California but winter is short and mild. There are plenty of mid fifties days in December and January, not the case here in Missouri.
Texas girl, 11, found raped and murdered was 'killed by teen migrant'
The main suspect in the murder of an 11-year-old girl found strangled to death under her bed in Texas is a Guatemalan immigrant who entered the US in January.
These people need to be rounded up and put on a deserted island somewhere with no way off...
Makes me sick to think of this sort of thing knowing how many people died fighting this in the past and how many people died at the hands of people who followed this ideology, there is no place for this in this day and age....
Makes me sick to think of this sort of thing knowing how many people died fighting this in the past and how many people died at the hands of people who followed this ideology, there is no place for this in this day and age....
We are everywhere': Group of neo-Nazis reportedly marched through Florida park
I’d rather have more laws on who can have children or not. This kid was raised by his mother who was obviously there with him as he retrieved it from her car. She obviously has FAILED in her job to teach him right from wrong. Not only that but assuming the lack of a father in his life left him without ability to deal with adversity and take care of business on his own. Run to get a gun is all he thought about? Sad all the way around but the responsibility started with the adults in his life. And they didnt teach him any. Mom should suffer some legal consequences for sure. At 11 I really don’t know what to do with a kid who just shot someone in an instance like this? Throw them in jail forever as an example to others? If not that then what?
....as you know, sometimes kids act impulsively......how they are raised sometimes equates to this but human instinct will take over at some point...look at all the preacher and law enforcement kids that sometimes go off the rails....it probably wasn't because of their upbringing...
I know a few single parents who have raised excellent kids who are doing very well for themselves....but society can easily take over if the parent isn't careful.
Having a unsecured gun in a glove compartment in my opinion is irresponsible to start with and the mother should be held accountable but if there is no law to hold her feet to the fire with it makes it difficult. Even if some petty thief broke in looking for change, it would give them the opportunity to become an armed thief.....
It is already illegal in Florida to leave a gun within easy access to a minor.
It is foolish to leave one in a car but not illegal. Not sure I would make it so.
I agree she should be punished in some way. But we don’t need more laws.
I would agree if it protects minors and denies them access to weapons..
I personally believe leaving a loaded, unlocked weapon unattended anywhere is foolish....this is how many bad guys get their grubby hands on weapons.
If you have a carry permit, the weapon should be on your person, if you go into a location where you can't have a weapon, it should be secured if you leave it unattended........and if that unsecured weapon is used in a crime by a bad guy due to negligence, the owner needs to be punished.
A person wouldn't leave their keys in their car in case it gets stolen so why are people leaving a loaded firearm unattended in their car.....
Along your line of logic if somebody steals your car and then kills somebody with it you should be charged/punished? Of course not. So why should somebody who has a gun stolen be punished if the thief commits a crime with it? Both are consumer products and should be looked at as such.
Somebody steals a knife from the local grocer and murders someone with it the store should be punished?
Cmon man! That’s some seriously left leaning logic you got there.
As Bee stated, the circumstances behind the theft of the gun are important. If the gun was left unsecured, then yes the weapon owner should be punished, obviously not as if he committed the very crime the thief committed, but for irresponsible gun ownership. It’s not right or left thinking; weapon ownership carries a lot of responsibility as it should.
The vehicle it was in was left unattended. Both are dangerous consumer products which if used incorrectly can hurt somebody. If you’re going to punish people for having guns stolen then why not every other product the thief can hurt someone with?
I see….it’s only gun owners who should be punished. Gotcha.
If you’re going with that simplistic philosophy, so be it.
A gun by definition is designed for the sole purpose of killing, a vehicle is designed for transportation...two totally different roles.
The point I was making is-a person who leaves their keys in their car has a good chance of it being stolen and then probably wrecked whereupon the owner can submit an insurance claim and get a new car even though they were negligent-no penalty to the owner.
A person leaving a loaded handgun/firearm in a car also stands a good chance of having that weapon stolen-it only stands to reason. Weapons need to be secured...there is no attack on the 2nd amendment in doing this.
In this case an unsecured weapon resulted in the shootings of 2 kids by an angry, pre-pubescent kid who regardless of rearing and parental disposition was able to easily find it and use it.....if it had been properly secured, there would not have been a shooting.....
And this headline is one of many, it's not an isolated occurrence.......sadly....
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Sort of related. Last night I was having dinner with my neighbor.
He told me we just had a local 12 year old kid, who grew up in a gun friendly home, committed suicide with one of those guns. Did so in front of his parents.
His last words were, I'm sorry.
That's some hell they will be burdened with probably forever.
He has kids coming up in age. Gun friendly home. He said his wife and he are having some deep discussions these days.
Apologies if simple logic hurts.
no matter the purpose it still needs to be used for ill intent to be dangerous. Like nuclear bombs guns don’t just go off by themself.
If you consider that logic, we will have to agree to disagree once more.
However, not any old person can get their hands on a nuclear bomb unlike a gun....
Guns don't go off by themselves but they need to be secure and out of reach to persons who have no business touching them....
I've watched documentaries where a police detective was asking a person about a handgun they own and the owner didn't even know where it was....
When the police did a search of his car they found a couple handguns under the front seat buried in trash that he forgot were there and by the look of them they had been there a while.....
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I wish these arguments didn't always go to extremes to make points. In no terms should gun be compared to hammers on one end or nuclear bombs in the other.
Blanca makes a good point in simply stating guns don't shoot themselves. People use guns. To kill others.
Bees point is valid. They really aren't marketed for anything but killing things. There are a million nuances that always take on lives if their own. But to keep it simple, at the core you are both right in a one sentence argument.
Everyone in the world knows the U.S. is awash in a sea of guns. We have been so since we existed as a country. As a kid I could get my hands on a gun. If I didn't have permission man would I be suffering some severe punishments.
There has been fundamental shifts in values in America. Lives have less and less value to more and more people. I'm not a social science person. In my realm of view I don't know why it has happened, or what caused it.
I am troubled by the extremes the adults project for kids. Dad's beating up coaches because they didn't like a call that was made. Moms that beat up moms over a pair of shoes.
Kids shooting kids over those shoes.
We now have parents defending access to guns while kids shoot up schools, at the same time, protesting transgender children in schools because they worry what message that sends to children.
We never even had the words school resource officer in our vocabulary when I was in school. They didn't exist. And we did know what the sting on our ass of a paddle felt like.
I've never regretted not having children. But even moreso in the most recent few years. I'd be terrified to have a kid these days. I am terrified of law abiding adults that legally own 3 dozen weapons and 15,000 rounds of ammo. I don't know which one of those will snap because they don't like how I park my car.
Guns are the symptom of a problem. Not the problem.
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