Oil Grade stick with 10w 40 or ???

Mr Brown, every "subjective opinion" aside, you used the incorrect SAE scale for the weight of this oil and then you subsequently dismissed units as being unimportant. You then declared yourself an authority on process and testing a motor oil. You dismiss me as being unscientific while there are products out there that I worked on that actually paid my paycheck. Any degreed science professional would call your behavior egregious.

You never answered my response to your question about work. What is your job and what type of organization do you work for? I am pretty sure that you are on the government dole. Am I correct?
Ohhhh, someone got their panties in a wad and wants to get personal...game on.
First, perhaps your mastery of English and/or your reading comprehension isn't up to par. I can tell from your syntax that English isn't your first language and that's awesome, however perhaps you should brush up a little on definitions prior to engaging those who are native speakers, it'll help you understand what they're actually saying, as opposed to what you think they're saying.
So, try and keep up here: I never once said I would ask manufacturers for anything, never once said that they should be required to give anyone anything. Didn't declare myself an authority on motor oil, I'm not. I took issue with the process not the product. Testing the validity of a claim is all I was referring to, full stop. I give a sh!t less what is being measured, in what units or why. It's the process that matters. I can continue to explain it to you, but I cannot understand it for you.
With regard to my employment, well, I do indeed work at a university "on the government dole" as you put it. I'm both a student and a teacher. I find irony that the person who disparages such employment is an admitted coat-tail rider (what exactly does co-inventing mean? Someone else did the work and you took the credit perhaps?) who mentioned what they used to do for a living, but not what they currently do.
You also reject scientific methods of understanding in favor of experiential ones, claiming that academics have no experience and therefore no standing. Yet you claim a "degreed professional" would find my behavior egregious. Are you a degreed professional? I am. Worked hard to achieve the degrees I have, and continue to do so. But what if I told you that my academic experience, my book lurrnin, didn't start until after I'd had about 30 years of experience as a real world working adult? Then would my combination of experience and training make you less likely to reject what I'm saying? I doubt it. Your posts have shown you to believe only what you choose to believe, or perhaps only what your command of English permits. There's either a language barrier or another type of impediment, because you're not picking up what I'm putting down, and I get paid to teach. And I'm good at it.
Experience is a better way of understanding you say? Okay. I have over 40 years of riding experience, have owned and worked on my Busa for over 15. I hold a driver's license which allows me to operate anything on the road legally, except to transport of hazardous materials. I have years of experience as a heavy equipment operator, having gone through a union apprenticeship and become a journeyman. Wheels or tracks, sticks or a steering wheel, as long as it don't fly, I'm qualified to run it.
Assuming things about people or things will get you caught up. Asking questions is the way to go if you want to learn. And, to assess the accuracy of a claim, following a specific process is the way to assure you're both asking the right questions, and getting accurate answers.
 
First, perhaps your mastery of English and/or your reading comprehension isn't up to par.

When everyone knows people type fast, post and move on...Oh and your post is impossible to read. Use the <SPACE> key please.

Didn't declare myself an authority on motor oil,

You have indeed declared yourself an authority on science and process, and denigrated me as definitely not having the same, and it is all right up above.

.. is an admitted coat-tail rid...what exactly does co-inventing mean?

Nasty.

It means someone had an idea and I did the work. What an odd thing for you to insult, as though the best term that I could find without revealing the specifics of what I have done makes me nefarious.

I have worked as an engineer, lab testing and inventing, sr administrator in IT, developer in IT. I am in IT today. It pays a lot better and there are more opportunities. My life story is not for the Internet but you presume nefariousness from me hiding it.

Have you ever worked at a lab bench? A public sector company? (rhetorical)

Are you a degreed professional?

engineering degree

I find irony that the person who disparages such employment is an admitted coat-tail rider (what exactly does co-inventing mean? Someone else did the work and you took the credit perhaps?) who mentioned what they used to do for a living, but not what they currently do.

Regarding that I always prop up others, always. Occasionally I was the subject of others taking credit for my work or merely not mentioning my involvement (common today unfortunately.) For my inventiveness people though showed great gratitude, which is nice.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with being on the government dole, but did it ever occur to you, when the subject matter does not reveal it at all, how I knew that you are? (and I did not take "teacher" from your profile literally given how people are inexact or funny with their profiles.) I do not have to explain how I knew though as your above post exacerbates the indicators.
 
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When everyone knows people type fast, post and move on...Oh and your post is impossible to read. Use the <SPACE> key please.



You have indeed declared yourself an authority on science and process, and denigrated me as definitely not having the same.



It means someone had an idea and I did the work. What an odd thing for you to insult, as though the best term that I could find without revealing the specifics of what I have done makes me nefarious.

I have worked as an engineer, lab testing and inventing, sr administrator in IT, developer in IT. I am in IT today. It pays a lot better and there are more opportunities. My life story is not for the Internet but you presume nefariousness from me hiding it.

Have you ever worked at a lab bench? (Rhetorical, I'm done with this one.)



engineering degree



Regarding that I always prop up others, and was the subject of others taking credit for my work on many occasions. For my inventiveness people though showed great gratitude, which is nice.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with being on the government dole, but did it ever occur to you, when the subject matter does not reveal it at all, how I knew that you are? (and I did not take "teacher" from your profiel literally given how people are inexact with their profiels.) I do not have to explain as your above post exacerbates the indicators.
Snappy comebacks, all. I'm well impressed. You're awesome. Is that what you needed to hear sweetie? Feel better now? :D :D
I don't know you, don't want to know you, don't need your affirmation or approval. I know what I know, and I'ma act accordingly. Do you my dude, and I'll do me.
 
To whom it may concern.

Gentlemen, Holy fluck...

Most esoteric oil thread ever.

I, and the rest of the internet, are used to oil thread debaters being reduced to calling each other Hitler and c@cksucker.

If everyone could stick to homophobic and fascist insults as per internet tradition and decorum the points of the debate would be much easier to follow.

I am thankfully expecting your compliance in this matter.

Your truly
ken
 
To whom it may concern.

Gentlemen, Holy fluck...

Most esoteric oil thread ever.

I, and the rest of the internet, are used to oil thread debaters being reduced to calling each other Hitler and c@cksucker.

If everyone could stick to homophobic and fascist insults as per internet tradition and decorum the points of the debate would be much easier to follow.

I am thankfully expecting your compliance in this matter.

Your truly
ken
Fug you Ken you fuggin' homo Hitler lovin' bastid.
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Weird how things can go sideways on these threads.lol Anyway I was planning on sending out my oil for an analysis when I change it this spring. I know of Blackstone but Im not sure of any others. Not sure what blackstone would report on. Just looking to see how well the oil has held up over 3k miles. But then I thought that in order to make a real comparison I would need to run amsoil in it next time and have an analysis done on it too. That way I could really see a solid set of numbers between the 2. I think Im gonna do that. Results should be really interesting.
 
Weird how things can go sideways on these threads.lol Anyway I was planning on sending out my oil for an analysis when I change it this spring. I know of Blackstone but Im not sure of any others. Not sure what blackstone would report on. Just looking to see how well the oil has held up over 3k miles. But then I thought that in order to make a real comparison I would need to run amsoil in it next time and have an analysis done on it too. That way I could really see a solid set of numbers between the 2. I think Im gonna do that. Results should be really interesting.
There are a few oil analysis comparisons which have been done.

My older brother for example has run dino oil in his BMWs for hundreds of thousands of miles with zero issues. He doesn't see the advantage to running synthetic and scoffs at it...

I, on the other hand run synthetic in everything I own from my lawn tractor to my truck. I don't really see any advantage of it other than the length of time between oil changes.
 
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