running from \"the man\"

gsxr1300- Lets use real numbers for your math homework assignment. I wrote one ticket in three years. It was a biggie (It was several thousand dollars). It was a dope deal where the suspect threw the drugs out of the car, I couldn't find them, and the suspect failed the test miserably, so I wrote him for everything else. Tinted windows, Smoked license plate covers, aftermarket plate frames covering the registration stickers, no proof of insurance, no license plate light, etc.
 
A few years back CAR& DRIVER mag did a comparo test between the FZR 1000 Yamaha and the Corvette on a closed road course. The FZR beat the crap out of the Corvette. The car may corner a little faster but the bike eats the car in the straights and the bikes brakes are so much better the rider can drive much deeper with greater enty speed than the car, then get slowed down and be back on the gas before the car diver gets 1/2 way through the curve. If you are ever at Deals Gap there is a picture of a cop car that is totalled out. The officer was stupid enough to chase a bike up the gap. Oh, and BTW there is a no chase policy there now. They just radio ahead and have you stopped at another spot. Now that is smart, they are not endangering any innocent by-standers or should I say other bike riders.
 
...this is about it for me on the topic...every one in cyberspace knows where the individuales involved are comming from at this point....Kirk et al is just letting you all kow how far the law is prepared to send it's peolpe in the pursuit of their duty, and we have declared, in various manners, that we may willing to give everything we have to evade them....as for the rest, well, you all are just talking trash...

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Oh my god Kirk you are too full of your own cop propaganda!

Wasn't it you that said in the other thread a police issue Caprice could go 150mph? That's hilarious. The more you talk about being a cop the more I doubt that you are one.

My good friend of mine has a contract to maintain the state police Caprices in his area. He had one there the other day and I asked him if he had a chance to "road test" it. He laughed and said that he had. He told me that he thought his old early 80s 4 cylinder pickup could out run it. He said the Caprice floated down the road and when he floored it the transmission kicked down a gear and the engine screamed but the speed of the car barely increased. He tried it again from a stop and the trans held the gears till nearly redline but again the acceleration wasn't there. He said the engine is making a lot of noise and to listen to the revs you'd think something was really happening but the cars are slugs. Oh, and Kirk don't try to discredit my friend's skills. He's been working on cars his whole life and he's worked on them all, Vettes, drag cars, Porsches, Buick GNs, etc.

Lets pretend though just for a second that a Caprice could go 150. Do you really think that they could get to 150 as fast as a bike? A freakin' 600F3 could outrun a police car easily, let alone a ZX-11 or a Busa. In the end though I'm afraid the only way your Caprice could go 150 is if you dropped it down a mine shaft and hopefully you'd be in it.


You're so quick to tell us your "war" stories, so here's one of mine.
Two weekends ago I was getting gas in my girlfriend's Hyundai shi.tbox. I was at the New Cumberland Texaco which is right next to I-83 and it was 12:00AM or so. While I was filling it, a Grand Marquis pulled in and a guy with a crew cut jumped out and started fueling up too. A group of teenagers (8-10 of them) came out of the store and climbed into two cars. When they turned the key to on the radio came on and it was that Limp Bizket, Chainsaw song. They sat in their cars and yelled the lyrics to each other and bobbed their heads to the beat, typical kid fun. The crew cut was watching them and was getting upset. When the song was over the kids all said good by to each other and as the one car backed out of it's space the kid chirped the tire by giving it too much gas between reverse and drive. It wasn't a top fuel type burnout it was a "chirp." As the cars pulled away the crew cut ran out in front of them. He yelled at these kids, "How dare you act like that with an unmarked state police car sitting right there!" The kids just looked at him, he pulled his head back out of the car and they eased up to the red light and waited for the green. At this point I was done and I hung the hose back up. The crew cut stopped pumping and watched the kids' every movement. They got on I83 heading south towards York/Baltimore. The cop quickly finished his fueling and hung up his hose. He jumped in his car and made tracks after the kids. I jumped in the Hyundai and followed him up on the expressway. On the one ramp I noticed he had an extra antenna and he had a skid plate welded to the spare tire area of his car. He accelerated mildly faster than the shi'tbox I was in (but not much) and we soon found ourselves at 100mph in the hammer lane blitzing past everything else. The Trooper put himself inches off people's bumpers till they moved out of his way. On down the road we caught up to the kids' car in the right lane and he changed into the right lane and began tailgating them. They rode like that for about a quarter mile and he pulled them over.

What an as$hole, did it occur to him that he was risking people's lives buy traveling 100mph+ just to hassle some kids? Why couldn't he hassle them in the parking lot? Did it occur to him that he could just pull over and write me a real ticket for going 100mph? No, because cops have to pull you over and teach you a lesson. You must be shown that you are only being allowed to live in a cop's world and that you are a second class citizen compared to them.

Here's what job I want, I want to be a cop's policeman. I want to follow them around and hassle them.

"Hey sugar do you know fast you were going?"
"Oh, well, I had a call."
"Why weren't your lights on then?"
"Oh, well, umm, I can get through traffic a lot quicker without them on"
"Tell it to the Judge, now get out of the car so I can Rodney King you!"
 
Do we have any confirmations that Kirk really is a cop?
He sounds like some 8th grade kid who doesn't have school to go to so he thought he'd entertain himself on the net.

I wouldn't expect a cop to know the police package's Chevy part number. I would expect if from one of those wanna be people who buy a regular Caprice and cover it with antennas.

I'd expect a real cop to know that police package or not, a bike could easily out accelerate or out run him. I'd expect a poser to think that a cop car was something special, when in fact it is a Taxi cab package too.

You made reference to "cop shocks" in one of these threads, been watching The Blues Brothers, have you?

Let's face it a Caprice weighs two tons, anything short of a 454, won't get it out of it's own way.

"Mr. Fool- Yes there are butt heads in any line of work. I happen to think that there are fewer in law enforcement than in most other jobs." The cops I know, would disagree. They say there are more dickheads working in police than in any other job.

Who was it that said it Ct you can't become a cop if your IQ is too high? I believe that.

I've been watching too much TV. Please my stories about cops are way better than any you'll ever see on TV.

I've had cops follow me at night with their headlights off.
I've had cops stand up in court and say that I admitted I did what he charged me for.
I've had cops lose a witness' name who saw, who really did the crime.
I've made off ramps faster than State Troopers would even dare to follow me, and didn't.

Yeah, I have sat in a cage and waited for my hearing. I've paid fines, fees, etc., for stuff that I haven't even done. Back in the day, I hung out with the wrong crowd and was branded a criminal by association.

I'm a straight forward guy, if you have bad breath I'll tell you. I pride myself on not being a liar, a thief or a druggie. My only vise is speed and lots of it.

I know my limits, people (even cops) who don't wrap themselves around telephone poles. So trust me when I say, if I run it's because I know I can get away and not hurt anyone. If the cop chasing me runs into a bus load of nuns because he's driving past his limitations then that's on him.
 
I don't remember what year it was...'93 I think. The FZR had only 119 rwhp, weighed 521 lbs, the Busa has 155-162 rwhp and weighs 472lbs. The corvette in the early 90's should have had about 300 hp. So what is your point. BTW My police friend said the cruiser that he has will only run about 112 mph top end. HE says it is too loaded with all the "equipment" (police toys) in the trunk that makes it slow and handle like a bath tub.

The police Camaro is nothing special.
What's included in the B4C police package?

According to "The Genuine Camaro White Book" by Michael Antonick, on a 93 Camaro, the B4C "special service" option included:

LT1 engine
6 speed manual transmission
3.23:1 ratio limited slip rear axle
Single exhaust and converter with dual tail pipes
16 inch aluminum wheels
P245/50ZR16 blackwalls
4 wheels disc brakes
124 amp alternator (140 amp for '94 and on)
150 mph speedometer
Air conditioning
525cca battery
Engine oil cooler
Performance suspension
The term "performance suspension" refers to the suspension which normally comes on a Z28, as opposed to the suspension which comes on the base non-Z28 Camaro or on the 1LE Z28. One other enticing thing is the package is cheaper than the regular Z28 options in order to give law enforcement and local goverment a break. Good luck trying to order one though. First, you have to find a dealer who will do a fleet order for you. The B4C is a "special services package" that is only orderable under a fleet number. It has no "stated" restrictions in the order book, but currently Chevy will not build one for a non-police department. And that means providing documention indicating delivery to a police station. Sorry to bust your bubble but there are thousands of them on the road! They just don't have drivers that think they are special.
I own a Z-28 '95 model with some mods. I have had some mods done to it and it should be pulling about 300 hp. One of the mods was a complete new engine. I am not saying what all was done to the engine as it is irreverent to the subject. But the thing will NOT accelerate, will Not brake ( even though it has aftermarket brake mods) and will not out run the 'busa.
Face it man. That badge does not make you "the Man" it just gets you the name.
 
The LS-1 engine in RPO B4C Camaro IS 305hp, not "should be pulling about 300hp.". RPO B4C also comes with 3.42 gears, is lighter than any Z28, and cannot be had with t-tops or leather. The suspension is the 1LE suspension, but it doesn't have the double adjustable Koni shocks. Most late model Z28s that I have seen have leather, standard Z28 suspension, 2.73 gears, T-tops, etc. and are for posers. By the way- If a Z28 comes with the standard tires, it has a speed limiter. If the vehicle left the factory with the optional QLC tires, it will not have a speed limiter. If your buddy has a 112mph patrol car, it is a Ford Crown Victoria. The RPO 9C1 Caprice will do that in third gear. It is important to remember that we are talking about a Bus being able to run from a police car, not the other way around. That is why almost all pursuits end when the bad guy crashes out. I can tell you that unless you are an extremely good rider, you will die. If someone pulls out in front of you, you die. It's stupid to try it, but be stupid if you must.
 
Jamie- tell your maintenance friend to change the fuel filter. I can't believe the number of feedback FI cars that I see with a plugged fuel filter limiting the top speed. They run perfect, except that they won't go fast. The Michigan State Police tests new police vehicles each year. The information that comes out of these tests is used by agencys all across the nation to make purchasing decisions. The last test I saw of a 9C1 caprice gave it a top speed of 143mph, and I don't remember if it was an LT-1 or not. They can do this for a lot longer than you can.
 
I know the RPO numbers because I was a line technician for years and have always liked cars. You are right about your gas station trooper being an sugar. Don't paint me with the same brush. My bullshit meter was affected by the claim of 3" dual exhaust in a '95 Camaro. There are no commercially available 3" dual exhausts for this chassis. There are also no headers in production designed for dual exhaust for this chassis. There is also no room for dual mufflers under this vehicle. I'll believe it when I see it.

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Kirk, I gotta say I think you are OK. These idiots that bash you are just making me pissed off , I wonder why they even tell us about themselves. I am sick of hearing how stupid *** guys act , especially in public.
I take advice, and have a lot to give if asked. I know my newish 330 hp vette will go faster than 150 mph in 5th gear all day, and well I have nothing to say good about those idiots in Toyotas or Hundai whatevers trying to prove anything by keeping up with me.
I have rode in a old Police cars, owned three of them myself even , seen how a Cop drives in one,Been in a Caprice and have never been able to do what the cop did while showing me what it could do because he was so crazy.. And he is a cool cop... and well, been there done that, and I appreciate your opinions.
I am not going to spend any more energy bashing these guys, just had to put in a little bit of sarcasm here as these kids are putting a bad light on this web page with the trash talk...

Kurt
 
Fool- Hooker doesn't make a 1-3/4" Super Comp header for LT-1 heads in a '95 Camaro. There is also not enough room in the tunnel for the driveshaft, the torque arm, and two 3" exhaust pipes. Take a look at a Camaro some time on a lift and look at the amount of room between the rear suspension, the floor, and the rear drive axle. There is no room for 3" dual exhaust. Now I smell an eighth grader. Does your mom know what you are doing with her computer?

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Fool- 36# injectors are for blower motors, and you don't build 10.7:l motors for blowers. At a BSFC (Brake Specific Fuel Consumption) of .5lbs fuel per hp per hour, eight 36# injectors would be capable of moving about 288lbs of fuel per hour, or 576hp. If you want 300hp out of a stock LS-1, go 30,000 miles without changing your fuel filter. If you want 300hp out of a stock LT1, take the muffler off.

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Fool- I've never seen a steel LT1 crank. They are all iron. Want me to keep going? I'm a Chevrolet National Advisory Board Member.

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Now if you want to talk fast cars (and I've heard nothing but talk so far), I can do that. I really did own a GMC Typhoon. My wife and I were in the market for a replacement for my 3/4 ton 4WD Suburban (44" swampers, 20" lift, 5.13 gears, lockers in both ends). I wanted a hot-rod, and she wanted me to have a 4X4 that she could drive. We compromised, and at her suggestion, began shopping for a Typhoon. The only ones that we could find were listed in the Dupont Registry, and they all seemed to be back East. My first choice would have been the dark forest metallic over titanium body cladding, but we found an exceptional example offered out of a private collection in Seattle that was white over titanium. It had both options: roof rack, and CD player. From the moment we saw it, we knew that it was the one. It was an ordered vehicle, sold before it was built. It had never been registered or even titled, so I got the original manufacturer's statement of origin and I got to be the first registered owner. It had never been smoked in. I got every shred of paperwork ever generated on this vehicle. We took it camping. We hauled building supplys with it for home improvement. We took it on ski trips, pushing snow with the intercooler. It was my work car. We embarrassed Dodge Vippers at the drag strip with it. Faster than a Ferrari was not fast enough for me, so I put an additional $10,000 in go-fast goodies into the engine and related stuff. I built the engine on the tailgate with ARP main cap studs and had the block align honed. I had the cylinders honed (stock bore, no ridge) for custom TRW blower pistons. I had the rods magnafluxed and shot peened before fitting ARP rod bolts. The engine was balanced. I installed a big KB roller cam with new roller lifters. The heads got new Manly stainless valves. I installed a KB oil pump and hardened steel oil pump drive. I used Fel-Pro stainless O-ring head gaskets and ARP head studs. I installed the engine along with a 950cfm ATR turbo, a billet 1-3/4" adjustable waste gate, a mandrel bent 3" stainless steel downpipe, and six 40lb injectors. I used a KB 911 converter (3600rpm stall 9" converter with 11" Kevlar lock-up clutch), a KB ram air kit, a KB 2-speed fuel pump overdrive, KB billet adjustable fuel pressure regulator, ULTRA stainless/silicone plug wires (You have to see them to appreciate them), and an ATR 40# prom. This thing ate transmissions like nothing I've ever seen before. Sometime they would only make it to the first 1-2 gearchange. Imagine a trans from a Corvette capable of absorbing about 450lbs of torque. Now imagine that trans in a 4200lb all-wheel driver with 750lbs of turbo-assisted torque applied to it. I'm not talking friction failures, I'm talking planet sets exploding so hard that we broke a slide hammer trying to get it apart the last time. I build my own 4L60s also, and I used hand made Raybestos "Blue plate special" 3-4 frictions, Koleen steels, .500" boost valve, full-on valve body kit with blocked accumulators to eliminate slippage. I used the best parts that money could buy. It was a little noisey. It had no cat, and a 3" inside diameter 12" long straight through Dynomax Race Magnum muffler. I installed a Moroso Super Cool can inline with the intercooler so that I could ice the intercooler at the drag strip. Your grandma could stick in in overdrive and rip 1.60 second 60' times. It would be an understatement to say that it would hook in a mudslide. It hiked one front wheel on the 1-2 gearchange on the all season radials that it left the assembly line on. It would siphon uphill from the washer reservoir under the hood to the rear washer nozzles above the rear hatch. I never had a chance, but I think that it would have run in the 12's on black ice. It had violent chassis rotation on launch that I was finally able to somewhat control by lowering it 3" and installing KYB gas-a-just shocks. I never turned the waste gate up- I left it resting on the 16# spring. I had all the parts in place to run up to 25# boost, but NHRA won't allow a 4WD vehicle to run any faster than 12.00, so there was no point. At 25# boost and on four DOT legal drag radials, my mom could probably have waxed about 75% of stock Hayabusas at the strip. As it turned out, we never had the chance. Last spring break, a 22 year old puke blew a red light and T-boned my Typhoon doing about 55mph according to the witnesses. He was very empathetic. He ran over to me and told me "You no call police. I give you some money." I was hurt, so I told his to sit down on the pavement, and told him that if he ran, I would shoot him. I couldn't find where my cell phone had landed, but several witnesses called 911 for me. He was cited for speeding and blowing the light. I got a rotator cuff problem and a messed up disc in my spine. I wonder what he was running from.

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You were right about the cruiser. His is a Crown Vick. They have fazed out the chevys. I guess ford gave them a better fleet price. That is how and why they purchase the make of auto or am I wrong. A few years back seems like I remember they used a few Mustangs but I could be wrong about that. And I am not 8 years old I am 5!
Sorry to hear of you accident.
 
last post in this thread......I have to go eat my Cococrisp and watch Captian Kangaroo!\
See you round Kirk! Oh how does a police officer afford to buy a Typhoon and spend 10,000 on the motor? Now I know why you only wrote 3 tickets in all those years! If I am ever in your neck of the woods and you pull me over will you give me a break? Naw, I didn' think so. Later dude!
one last question? what color is your Hayabusa?
 
They buy 215 hp Crown Vics because Chevy quit making the Caprice. There is no other choice, and maybe not for the reasons that you may think. Painting up a two ton patrol car like a power ranger and sticking lights and sirens and stuff all over it makes it invisible. If your job eight hours a day involved driving an invisible car through intersections against the light to go do pentacostal police work (healing people through the laying on of hands), you and your union would probably want you in a full perimiter frame car. Ford is now the only maker of a full sized perimiter frame car.
 
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