Russia and Ukraine

[jellyrug]

You're on the right track but you're not going back far enough:

Jimmy Carter was way before my time and before I knew much about America.

During his Presidency, I was fighting Soviets in Angola, with Carter’s support, although the latter was never admitted nor spoken about.

Where were you in 1979-1981 Arch?

Accept Trump for who he is, including bad behavior, but he did meet and discuss oil supply with both Mohammed and Putin, with one objective. The American economy.

 

[fallenarch]

Jimmy Carter was way before my time and before I knew much about America.

During his Presidency, I was fighting Soviets in Angola, with Carter’s support, although the latter was never admitted nor spoken about.

Where were you in 1979-1981 Arch?

Accept Trump for who he is, including bad behavior, but he did meet and discuss oil supply with both Mohammed and Putin, with one objective. The American economy.

I was a college student who loved to study history and politics. Would say thank you for your service but since I don't know who you were fighting for I'll just say I respect anyone who is willing to fight for what they believe in.

So what's your point?

PS: No I won't accept an insurrectionist. Trump's only concern was his personal economy.

 

[jellyrug]

I was a college student who loved to study history and politics. Would say thank you for your service but since I don't know who you were fighting for I'll just say I respect anyone who is willing to fight for what they believe in.

So what's your point?

PS: No I won't accept an insurrectionist. Trump's only concern was his personal economy.

I believe my post was about what affects gas prices, the only point I was trying to make.

And as far as gas prices in 1979, that I do not know much about that.

 

[fallenarch]

I believe my post was about what affects gas prices, the only point I wax trying to make.

And as far as gas prices in 1979, that I do not know much about that.

Ok, that was not clear. What Carter was saying is that most problems in the world revolve around resources and oil as a political football. It elevates our enemies to a level that they can impact our economy at will. So how the oil markets work is less an issue than the fact that we can't be self-sufficient on energy.

 

[jellyrug]

Ok, that was not clear. What Carter was saying is that most problems in the world revolve around resources and oil as a political football. It elevates our enemies to a level that they can impact our economy at will. So how the oil markets work is less an issue than the fact that we can't be self-sufficient on energy.

All I know about Carter is that my wife originally from Michigan, believes he was one of our worst presidents.

But as mentioned, that was before I knew much about the US.

 

[Bumblebee]

You have outlined his war crimes defense. If citizens are armed in unknown large numbers, they have become enemy combatants. He can argue he was attacking enemy positions.

He won't get around hospitals and orphanages very easily however.

His biggest war crime was the invasion itself...anything destroyed after that is collateral damage sadly enough.

If we track historical records, how many hospitals and orphanages were destroyed during wars or invasions? How many of those were considered a war crime?

The sad reality is when "dumb" ammunition and ordinance is used, nothing is sacred anymore....

I saw whole areas in a large city totally destroyed by NATO forces in order to get a small section of enemy combatants....the leadership wouldn't allow our small teams to go in to target these guys, they chose to annulate the entire block instead.

I'm not sure what the area comprised of in the way of building but it was very close to a residential area so the possibility there was a school in that mix was pretty good.

 

[fallenarch]

All I know about Carter is that my wife originally from Michigan, believes he was one of our worst presidents.

But as mentioned, that was before I knew much about the US.

The point was less about the politics and more about we have known this problem was there for a long time. Carter was a nuclear engineer on a sub, He knew back in 77 that the process was: get off carbon fuels, nukes as a gap filler, and then transition to wind and solar. He even put solar panels on the Whitehouse, which Regan removed immediately. Part of the reason Carter was lost in history as a failed Cheif is because he was the only president to openly say carbon fuels must go. Stepped on a lot of toes, but he was right. Because of the incredible bashing, he took politically, no president since has addressed the elephany in the room - carbon fuels.

 

[mark3evo]

All I know about Carter is that my wife originally from Michigan, believes he was one of our worst presidents.

But as mentioned, that was before I knew much about the US.

he did grow some great Peanuts though

 

[mark3evo]

we were lucky ... Not all Russians were bad then

Vasily Arkhipov (1926 - 1998) was a Soviet Navy officer who casted the single vote to not launch a nuclear torpedo from a B-59 submarine in response to the U.S. dropping depth charges, despite being in international waters during the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962.
The Soviet crew had no contact from Moscow for a few days and was not sure if World War 3 had erupted. The captain was sure that war had started on the surface and wanted to fire a nuclear torpedo. It also did not help that the submarine batteries were running low, causing the air conditioning to fail and increasing the heat above 113°F (45°C). Many of the crew members began to faint from carbon dioxide poisoning and low levels of oxygen, which also heavily impaired their decision making.
According to protocol, a nuclear launch needed the approval of only the captain and the political officer onboard. As luck would have it, Arkhipov was a flotilla commander who specifically chose to be onboard that fateful B-59 submarine. Flotilla commanders were usually not onboard nuclear submarines, but they were ranked high enough to change the two person vote to a three person vote. Arkhipov argued with the two senior officers and was finally able to convince them to surface and contact Moscow.
His tenacity and decision ultimately averted a nuclear war and saved the world.

 

[jellyrug]

The point was less about the politics and more about we have known this problem was there for a long time. Carter was a nuclear engineer on a sub, He knew back in 77 that the process was: get off carbon fuels, nukes as a gap filler, and then transition to wind and solar. He even put solar panels on the Whitehouse, which Regan removed immediately. Part of the reason Carter was lost in history as a failed Cheif is because he was the only president to openly say carbon fuels must go. Stepped on a lot of toes, but he was right. Because of the incredible bashing, he took politically, no president since has addressed the elephany in the room - carbon fuels.

I remember the first visit here to the US, 1983, we were only allowed to drive 55mph, because of fuel shortages.

I guess what I was trying to convey, is that oil being the political football you correctly mention it is, is a ball Biden does not play very well.

 

[fallenarch]

I remember the first visit here to the US, 1983, we were only allowed to drive 55mph, because of fuel shortages.

I guess what I was trying to convey, is that oil being the political football you correctly mention it is, is a ball Biden does not play very well.

Biden is not playing the oil game he's playing the energy game. The mistake people like Carter have been making is pushing conservation. That's very unpopular to most consumers with we get it all American attitude. But electrical looks sexy to consumers these days. Every car maker is on board to switch to full electric vehicle offerings, several in as little as 5 years. Windmills and solar farms are popping up all over the country, especially in the west and coastal areas. Biden's infrastructure will allow smart distribution that will make solar even more efficient. So he is actually pushing things along at a pretty fast pace. Consumers want it. The oil guys will be left with a product they can't sell.

 

[mark3evo]

The oil guys will be left with a product they can't sell.

oil is not dead why ... we need plastics and tar for highways, all by products of refinery process. There will be no such thing as an oil free world.

plus i would not want to fly in an electric A320 or 757

 

[fallenarch]

Haha completely missed the point didn't you?

 

[jellyrug]

Biden is not playing the oil game he's playing the energy game. The mistake people like Carter have been making is pushing conservation. That's very unpopular to most consumers with we get it all American attitude. But electrical looks sexy to consumers these days. Every car maker is on board to switch to full electric vehicle offerings, several in as little as 5 years. Windmills and solar farms are popping up all over the country, especially in the west and coastal areas. Biden's infrastructure will allow smart distribution that will make solar even more efficient. So he is actually pushing things along at a pretty fast pace. Consumers want it. The oil guys will be left with a product they can't sell.

It would have been great if he could multi task.

Play the energy game, but included a proactive short term plan to help Europe and ourselves through the current oil supply and demand issue.

Gas prices and inflation are hurting some, me included.

And that, I guess takes me right back to my initial post.

Unfortunately I cannot mention the previous guy, because then “insurrection” comes up, which is unrelated to today’s gas prices.

 

[TommyBusa1]

Unless you are a sister....LOL!

Sisters are definitely included !!! Lol

 

[fallenarch]

It would have been great if he could multi task.

Play the energy game, but included a proactive short term plan to help Europe and ourselves through the current oil supply and demand issue.

Gas prices and inflation are hurting some, me included.

And that, I guess takes me right back to my initial post.

Unfortunately I cannot mention the previous guy, because then “insurrection” comes up, which is unrelated to today’s gas prices.

Assuming you know how capitalism works, so you know that when an industry sits idol for a year and a half and then suddenly goes to full blast production the price goes up to temper demand.

I also assume you know some of the strategic reserves were released. I assume you also know the reserves are barely a week of consumption.

You probably know oil is sold through international cartels that control the prices, not the president of the US.

I assume you know that inflation is a natural consequence of a booming economy. Our economy is in a historic boom, so it fallows we would have inflation. Note Trump benifited from the pandemic, where the demand for gas was lower than it has been in decades.

I also assume you know Russia invaded Ukraine 2 weeks ago, and that congress insisted Biden not import Russian oil, a move that will increase the price at the pump. I am curious what he could have done in 2 weeks though.

Multi task? You mean like putting NATO back together and keeping them together? Or working a strategy that disarmed Putin by publically announcing his every move before he made them?

And yes, I'm assuming you know the previous guy was an insurrectionist and a traitor. That's what it's called when you inspire an angry mob to stop a constutional process to transition power.

 

[jellyrug]

Assuming you know how capitalism works, so you know that when an industry sits idol for a year and a half and then suddenly goes to full blast production the price goes up to temper demand.

I also assume you know some of the strategic reserves were released. I assume you also know the reserves are barely a week of consumption.

You probably know oil is sold through international cartels that control the prices, not the president of the US.

I assume you know that inflation is a natural consequence of a booming economy. Our economy is in a historic boom, so it fallows we would have inflation. Note Trump benifited from the pandemic, where the demand for gas was lower than it has been in decades.

I also assume you know Russia invaded Ukraine 2 weeks ago, and that congress insisted Biden not import Russian oil, a move that will increase the price at the pump. I am curious what he could have done in 2 weeks though.

Multi task? You mean like putting NATO back together and keeping them together? Or working a strategy that disarmed Putin by publically announcing his every move before he made them?

And yes, I'm assuming you know the previous guy was an insurrectionist and a traitor. That's what it's called when you inspire an angry mob to stop a constutional process to transition power.

I assume you forgot to add Saudi Aramco with 3rd generation Americans filling almost a city.
Or perhaps you don’t know? Considering who holds their equity and the relationship, they are pretty easy to talk to.


Yes the markets were on steroids and we are now experiencing the withdrawal symptoms without even reducing the dosage.

Perhaps you forgot, you are the one who brought up the oil football game, and no matter which angle you look at, there are no excuses. The Biden administration are loosing that football game horribly, we are running out of steroids and oil is adding to the inflation.

As to your green ambitions, I’ll do you a favor. Look at ALB, it may offset some of that extra gas money. I can assure you I don’t need a lesson on the economy, neither the stock market, futures or commodities.

The latter includes oil, something rather simple to understand

Some of us have foresight, then there are the historians, who walk backwards into the future, looking at the past.

 

[WuzzaCBXRider]

In re: “Some of us have foresight, then there are the historians, who walk backwards into the future, looking at the past.”

Is that an original or did you read that somewhere?

 

[ZeePopo]

we were lucky ... Not all Russians were bad then

Vasily Arkhipov (1926 - 1998) was a Soviet Navy officer who casted the single vote to not launch a nuclear torpedo from a B-59 submarine in response to the U.S. dropping depth charges, despite being in international waters during the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962.
The Soviet crew had no contact from Moscow for a few days and was not sure if World War 3 had erupted. The captain was sure that war had started on the surface and wanted to fire a nuclear torpedo. It also did not help that the submarine batteries were running low, causing the air conditioning to fail and increasing the heat above 113°F (45°C). Many of the crew members began to faint from carbon dioxide poisoning and low levels of oxygen, which also heavily impaired their decision making.
According to protocol, a nuclear launch needed the approval of only the captain and the political officer onboard. As luck would have it, Arkhipov was a flotilla commander who specifically chose to be onboard that fateful B-59 submarine. Flotilla commanders were usually not onboard nuclear submarines, but they were ranked high enough to change the two person vote to a three person vote. Arkhipov argued with the two senior officers and was finally able to convince them to surface and contact Moscow.
His tenacity and decision ultimately averted a nuclear war and saved the world.


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Complete annihilation averted by one man with patience and common sense. Not the first or the last time we avoided that nuclear winter due to the act of single man standing up and being heard. Place and time is everything.

 

[fallenarch]

As for green ambitions, we are locked in a circle where we give away a huge part of our resources both personally and as a country to cartels that are allowed to embroil the world in foolish squabbles. All this when energy can be free, as the sun is completely democratic. The green movement, aside from keeping our world more comfortable to inhabit, is a future economy. Building a new future will build new fortunes, just as it has in the case of the industrial revolution and the agricultural revolution before that.

History is the marker that tells us we have passed this way before. That's why the dictators and autocrats move immediately to erase our understanding of how things came to be.