Russia and Ukraine

[Bumblebee]

Remember this war has been going on for 8+ years even though the media would have you think it started 3 years ago. Russia has been under sanctions for most of that time and this sure looks like a superpower in rapid decline. It's possible that Putin's advanced weapons are little more than a parade fleet. Obviously, Putin thought the Ukraine invasion would be a walk in the park, so why not show the world his shinney war machines in action against an enemy just rolling over to the invaders? I am of the opinion Putin is bluffing with the advanced stuff. He probably has a bunch of prototype weapons to look more formidable than he really is. Whatever the case he is still a pretty formidable conventional threat backed up by nuke and chemical ordinance as his panic weapons.

On the other hand, this is not that unusual. We have approximately 100 F-22 Raptors. Assume 80% are battle-ready at any time (assuming the media has it right) and you're not going to see a dominant presence on a major battlefield. Besides, it doesn't make sense to risk a $125 million aircraft when an F-18 will do the job adequately.

That's my opinion as a leading defense analyst, haha!

Speaking of façades, I've heard and saw a few incidents which made me wonder about the Russian capability.

One was from a navy friend, he said they did a joint operation with the Russians and out maneuvered them pretty easily and when the sailors were ashore at their base, they all looked shabby and acted starved when they went to the DFAC, and they never had any money. They did an exchange and he was aboard the 'Russian ship, he said it was dirty, unorganized and the food sucked...but they kept him pretty isolated and he was restricted in his movements.

Another friend in the air force remembers when the Russian air force was assisting in an airlift and they brought a few Antonovs...he said the planes were filthy and were all low on fluids...he recalls they put a 45 gal drum of hydraulic fluid in one of them...and he echoed the air crew looked starved and had no money.

And I personally recall a team of Russian spec ops guys came over for some joint training and they definitely were not the "Gods of war" we were led to believe, my team out classed them in almost every aspect....and they too acted starved all the time, they just couldn't get enough to eat...I also noted a lot of their equipment looked new-almost like it was a show...I really got suspect when one of them was fumbling with his night vision....a special forces member doesn't fumble with such things-that led me to believe he wasn't familiar with that system.

I talked to a US spec ops team member friend of mine and they found hidden cameras on a team member who was with them....to send them home would have sparked some sort of international incident so they just stripped the cameras from him and searched the others....then decided to "low key" the training op so as to not give too much capability away...

 

[fallenarch]

@jellyrug Stop looking at the propaganda and look at the numbers! Trump made a lot of promises and you all ran around like he did something. He didn't, and manufacturing did better under Obama. He used tariffs politically (it was the only power he had unilaterally), not strategically/economically and so they didn't have the desired effect and often took industries backward. It's the old do something so you can say I tried strategy. Take an honest look at Build Back Better, it has teeth for manufacturing.

You said:
"Trump for all his misdoings and terrible failures got CEO's around the table, got on the phone with oil producing companies, sent his Vice President to meet with them. He was outspoken about the FED and influenced them. He had his finger on the pulse as far as the economy was concerned, handling unfair trade practices from China, trying to bring back manufacturing etc."

This is what actually happened:

What Did Donald Trump Accomplish for American Manufacturing? - Alliance for American Manufacturing

In the end, the former president's policies were mostly rhetoric.

www.americanmanufacturing.org

 

[fallenarch]

Anyway we swing it, for a supposedly highly intelligent man, Putin sure bunged this invasion up.

The first bungle was the invasion itself....he sure didn't have very good intel on the whole situation at all...he should have known the west trained and equipped the Ukrainian military with very potent weapon systems..

This may not have deterred him but the fact the people of Ukraine do not want to be part of Russia and would fight so desperately and fiercely was lost to him....part of intelligence gathering is also learning about the morale and state of mine of the general populace...in many cases this can be told by just observations and certain analysis.

Covert ops should have been conducted long before the invasion which would have identified these factors...the military response can then be adjusted according to gathered intel.

I find it interesting just how different the west conducts such operations. If the tables were tuned and it was NATO going into this sort of situation, the outcome would be vastly different.

That's the point, I don't think NATO would be doing that!

 

[fallenarch]

Speaking of façades, I've heard and saw a few incidents which made me wonder about the Russian capability.

One was from a navy friend, he said they did a joint operation with the Russians and out maneuvered them pretty easily and when the sailors were ashore at their base, they all looked shabby and acted starved when they went to the DFAC, and they never had any money. They did an exchange and he was aboard the 'Russian ship, he said it was dirty, unorganized and the food sucked...but they kept him pretty isolated and he was restricted in his movements.

Another friend in the air force remembers when the Russian air force was assisting in an airlift and they brought a few Antonovs...he said the planes were filthy and were all low on fluids...he recalls they put a 45 gal drum of hydraulic fluid in one of them...and he echoed the air crew looked starved and had no money.

And I personally recall a team of Russian spec ops guys came over for some joint training and they definitely were not the "Gods of war" we were led to believe, my team out classed them in almost every aspect....and they too acted starved all the time, they just couldn't get enough to eat...I also noted a lot of their equipment looked new-almost like it was a show...I really got suspect when one of them was fumbling with his night vision....a special forces member doesn't fumble with such things-that led me to believe he wasn't familiar with that system.

I talked to a US spec ops team member friend of mine and they found hidden cameras on a team member who was with them....to send them home would have sparked some sort of international incident so they just stripped the cameras from him and searched the others....then decided to "low key" the training op so as to not give too much capability away...

I've heard that too from the guys around here. Now I'm starting to think that Russia was really suffering under the sanctions even before this new round. Of course, it could be that when your army dramatically expands with conscripts you don't have the capacity to house/feed them. It was a chilling wakeup call though watching Putin do the Trump rally thing. It could be possible Putin was "wagging the dog" going into Ukraine and got bitten.

 

[jellyrug]

@jellyrug Stop looking at the propaganda and look at the numbers! Trump made a lot of promises and you all ran around like he did something. He didn't, and manufacturing did better under Obama. He used tariffs politically (it was the only power he had unilaterally), not strategically/economically and so they didn't have the desired effect and often took industries backward. It's the old do something so you can say I tried strategy. Take an honest look at Build Back Better, it has teeth for manufacturing.

You said:
"Trump for all his misdoings and terrible failures got CEO's around the table, got on the phone with oil producing companies, sent his Vice President to meet with them. He was outspoken about the FED and influenced them. He had his finger on the pulse as far as the economy was concerned, handling unfair trade practices from China, trying to bring back manufacturing etc."

This is what actually happened:

What Did Donald Trump Accomplish for American Manufacturing? - Alliance for American Manufacturing

In the end, the former president's policies were mostly rhetoric.

www.americanmanufacturing.org

LOL you can find all kinds of stuff in the internet.

Forbes a bit more credible, disagrees with the article you posted. See the link below.

For me it is pretty simple, I don’t have go online to do research and weigh one article against another. I simply have to look at what I pay at the pump for gas, and my business has to charge customers around 40% more to make the same net profit, a little more than one year after Biden took charge.

It takes high school math to discount labor growth and stock prices against inflation.

Has Trump Delivered On His Promise To Revive U.S. Manufacturing?

The prospects for positive changes in the policy environment for a manufacturing turnaround are not terribly promising as we approach 2020.

www.forbes.com

 

[TallTom]

LOL you can find all kinds of stuff in the internet.

Forbes a bit more credible, disagrees with the article you posted. See the link below.

For me it is pretty simple, I don’t have go online to do research and weigh one article against another. I simply have to look at what I pay at the pump for gas, and my business has to charge customers around 40% more to make the same net profit, a little more than one year after Biden took charge.

It takes high school math to discount labor growth and stock prices against inflation.

Has Trump Delivered On His Promise To Revive U.S. Manufacturing?

The prospects for positive changes in the policy environment for a manufacturing turnaround are not terribly promising as we approach 2020.

www.forbes.com

Data comes in all sorts of forms. Obama started losing me when he touted his job creation record. Data wise he didn't lie. He did create jobs. The problem was they were all low level minimum wage service jobs.

Wage stagnation is data they didn't want to talk about. Wages for the first time in decades grew under the Trump administration. And he was lousy at business!!!!

Loss of factories and production job data, Obama of course didn't want to talk about.

And now we have the left talking about record number of jobs created in the past 2 years. Bullchyt. Desperate attempts to find data that is contrary to the data the approval ratings data suggest. They are refilling the jobs that were put on hold from the pandemic. Nothing new is being created. We are filling what was there. That's data. But data they won't use.

There is data that says people are leaving jobs in the highest number than they ever have. Why aren't they discussing that data?

Look what has happened to the market when Musk decided to comply with the pressure to pay taxes. He paid more income tax than any person ever. The markets have been going down ever since. He paid billions in taxes, we have lost trillions in market value.

All your stock indexes retirement accounts have suffered. Show us that data in your reports.

Thanks Unca Joe.

 

[michael parris heuberger]

Trump to leave office with the worst jobs record since Herbert Hoover

The number of employed Americans fell by 3 million during Trump's time in office.

fortune.com

LOL, you totally chose to ignore the second paragraph in the article. Actually you ignored the first also.

So why not rather post the headline only and leave out all the narrative?

Hi. If you were work in 2019 and was later off from covid while Trump was in office and went back to work in 2021 while Biden was in office did Biden create that job for you????????????????????? I though the creating jobs meant new jobs not people just going back to work from layoffs from covid.

 

[fallenarch]

I only post articles for people here, for some reason they don't believe me. As an architect, I have conversations with people in pretty high places in terms of money.

From the article you posted from Forbes, this is not a rousing vote of confidence in Trump:

"Most political analysts agree that Donald Trump won the presidency on the backs of long-suffering blue-collar workers in industrial states. His campaign was propelled by a promise to revive manufacturing through trade, tax and regulatory policies. After nearly three years in office, the results are unfortunately tepid in terms of engineering a real boom in this sector, and the trends in recent months signal spreading weakness. Nonetheless, manufacturing is stronger than it was when he took office and policy support is still in place for growth. Headwinds from trade policy and political uncertainty, however, are restraining a more robust growth path."

 

[JeffSyh]

Russia seems to be doing this on the cheap. Dumb bombs. Old tanks, old planes, Unsecure comms etc. Seriously this has probably been done in purpose. Save the high end stuff for if the West joins in.

Outside of the cruise mussles, it looks a lot like WW II going on here.

They can’t even afford diesel or tires... Russia’s high tech is a just a huge pyramid scam to make defunct equipment at extreme costs and pockets most of the cash. Reason why they have a total of 6 su-57 and can’t build more. They have 4 5th gen fighters that are able to fight that’s it.

 

[Zerks]

Only fools believe the election was rigged. Their tiny minds (apparently) can’t fathom the number of conspirators there would have to be to pull off a nationwide election fraud so they ignore the facts. Literally thousands upon thousands of people in thousands of voting centers throughout all fifty states would’ve had to have been involved. Only the very stupid could believe that. Some of those on the list are tucker, hannity, lindell, gaetz, boebert and greene for example. Do you really want to be on that list?

People in positions of power have been cheating for centuries... as electrified computer systems have become the tools of choice for manipulating what we see, hear and to some degree experience we find out the nerds have power that those of us with less intellectual power can't understand at the deepest levels. Simply look at what Google has been doing as an example by tracking our internet navigations and then sticking more crap to buy in front of our faces... do you think it stops with that type of manipulation?

Try this... take the time to watch Dr Greers production called "Unacknowledged". If you take the time to get your head wrapped around what the core message is in this documentary you will see how deep the secrets are that cast a shadow over all of us. Though we disagree on a few things here and there, the truth for me is simple... I want the BS to stop, the truth to come out and then the following changes implemented that change this world in ways that can only be described as miraculous!

We are at this point in time at least a 100 years behind in terms of scientifically based evolution of design and function of the tools we use to advance the progress on mankind. Much of what we see going on today is just the destructive and intentional delay of where we could be if the powers that be would allow it to happen.

One of the easiest to understand examples of what I am pointing out has to do with electrical power transmission. Tesla was on track to transmit high levels of electrical energy wirelessly. JP Morgan was supporting Tesla for a time and pulled his support when he realized the assets he owned a part of that were he had heavily invested into copper mining would be superseded by wireless transmission of electrical energy. In other words Teslas success would mean big losses for JP Morgan.

As one attorney for the guy that invented a car that ran on water said... "The Pony Express will never be replaced by Western Union again." Look it up... who killed the electric car.

5135 patents at the US Patent office are being regulated as non acceptable for production that have to do with the creation of low cost energy. Why is that?

I don't care what list I am on, or much about what other people think about what I think... its all a big waste of time. I only care about the people that care about others. We have a world that is run by a bunch of sociopaths and psychopaths that keep getting their way... Putin is at the top of the charts now... he must idolize Hitler and the other despots in history because he is acting out in the same ways those fools did.

 

[macka]

We are at this point in time at least a 100 years behind in terms of scientifically based evolution of design and function of the tools we use to advance the progress on mankind. Much of what we see going on today is just the destructive and intentional delay of where we could be if the powers that be would allow it to happen.

you are a total flip flop one minute you support mining heavy fossil fuel pollution spewing dinosaur tech owned by global companys which control evolution who suppress new tech, next minute you are saying new tech is 100 years behind because of that what most right wing whingers support massive oil companies manipulating the worlds energy tech sector

 

[Zerks]

you are a total flip flop one minute you support mining heavy fossil fuel pollution spewing dinosaur tech owned by global companys which control evolution who suppress new tech, next minute you are saying new tech is 100 years behind because of that what most right wing whingers support massive oil companies manipulating the worlds energy tech sector

With new information beliefs can change quickly... try to keep up ok? Yes.. the oilfield has supported me in life at times. I have fond memories from my days of working as a Derrick hand on big rigs capable of drilling to 25,000 ft and running string weights of casing over a million pounds. These kind of job experiences that pay your way through life will impact your beliefs. As I said before. With new information comes new beliefs. I am not interested falling behind the curve of technical achievement... are you?

When will the powers that be release the new technologies that transform the world into place that evolves into a world that works for everyone?

 

[macka]

With new information beliefs can change quickly... try to keep up ok?

Have you been asleep for the last ten years and just woken up

 

[Zerks]

Have you been asleep for the last ten years and just woken up

I have been waking up since I read "New World Order Exposed" by Victor Thorn in 2005. His real name is Scott Mafoo or something like that, I can't remember his exact last name. Victor Thorn was his pen name.
Unfortunately... Victor had an accident... premature death of sorts... Kinda like Vince Foster, or that Congressman from Ohio James Taficant... These people that expose to much get a visit from Murder inc.. you know... like Seth Rich... its how the powers that be get revenge on those that expose them.

It causes me to wonder... will Snowden still be protected if Putin goes down?

Anyway... I had already been exposed to the lies behind the JFK story long before that... 80s stuff... I lived through the 70s in an oil boom town where the corruption was reported on 60 Minutes 2 times probably because it got good ratings... It gets your attention when you are cruising downtown Rock Springs Wyoming on a Saturday night and you see black pimp dressed to the max lying dead on the steps of a mortuary... well, at least after the coroner checks him out they won't have to haul his body very far. lol ! Gee whiz... maybe it times to leave this town... you know what I mean? Even the governor at that time, Ed Hershler was involved in oil and gas land fraud deals, but, you can't find a word about it now that I know of... so... if you only woke up 10 years ago you are late to the party! The disinformation party that is.

 

[jellyrug]

One of the easiest to understand examples of what I am pointing out has to do with electrical power transmission. Tesla was on track to transmit high levels of electrical energy wirelessly. JP Morgan was supporting Tesla for a time and pulled his support when he realized the assets he owned a part of that were he had heavily invested into copper mining would be superseded by wireless transmission of electrical energy. In other words Teslas success would mean big losses for JP Morgan.

I was actually working with Elon on that. We were born in the same city, if you did not know.

So one night after a couple of the best bottles of red wine from Constancia, we figured out how to transmit electrons without a conductor through air.

I built the transmitter into the case of a TV remote. One night my wife tried to turn on the TV and shocked both the cats to death.

That was the end of that, I wasn’t allowed to ever transmit electricity wirelessly again.

 

[Bumblebee]

I was actually working with Elon on that. We were born in the same city, if you did not know.

So one night after a couple of the best bottles of red wine from Constancia, we figured out how to transmit electrons without a conductor through air.

I built the transmitter into the case of a TV remote. One night my wife tried to turn on the TV and shocked both the cats to death.

That was the end of that, I wasn’t allowed to ever transmit electricity wirelessly again.

I find that............shocking.........

 

[fallenarch]

Just so we know, which end of the cat is positive and which end is negative?

 

[fallenarch]

I was thinking, While Zelenskyy is desperate for weapons, Biden should hold them until Zelenskyy agrees to investigate Trump for corruption. No, that could get him impeached...

 

[Zerks]

I was thinking, While Zelenskyy is desperate for weapons, Biden should hold them until Zelenskyy agrees to investigate Trump for corruption. No, that could get him impeached...

Is it a good thing that Biden is not being investigated, protected and immunized from juris prudence at the federal level is it?
Biden will never be impeached or convicted of anything... he epitomizes what is it to be a swamp creature and they protect their own for a price.

As far as Joe promoting the vaccines goes, just more lies. Big Pharma has no vaccine... its all experimental gene therapy. The covid crap is just the first big test in a new social scoring system where the punishment includes not just being able to go places and enter buildings, but losing your job if you don't comply with getting the jab. That kind behavior by a president should be an impeachable act.

 

[Zerks]

I was actually working with Elon on that. We were born in the same city, if you did not know.

So one night after a couple of the best bottles of red wine from Constancia, we figured out how to transmit electrons without a conductor through air.

I built the transmitter into the case of a TV remote. One night my wife tried to turn on the TV and shocked both the cats to death.

That was the end of that, I wasn’t allowed to ever transmit electricity wirelessly again.

Come on man... admit it... you hate cats!