Russia and Ukraine

Let’s just hope we never find out. All of NATO against Russia wouldnt last long conventionally. The USA alone could clear that country pretty quickly.
The vast distances are the enemy of any military...air power can fly in and take out targets but boots on the ground is what wins wars...there is a lot of ground to cover especially for the supply chain to keep up to the advance...

This is why Iran is so formidable, not because they have a powerful military but because in order to get boots on the ground in their major urban areas, it is a huge undertaking.

We in North America benefit from this as well.
 
The vast distances are the enemy of any military...air power can fly in and take out targets but boots on the ground is what wins wars...there is a lot of ground to cover especially for the supply chain to keep up to the advance...

This is why Iran is so formidable, not because they have a powerful military but because in order to get boots on the ground in their major urban areas, it is a huge undertaking.

We in North America benefit from this as well.
Yep. Russia has 7 time zones in it.

We can't even clear out Afghanistan.
 
The vast distances are the enemy of any military...air power can fly in and take out targets but boots on the ground is what wins wars...there is a lot of ground to cover especially for the supply chain to keep up to the advance...

This is why Iran is so formidable, not because they have a powerful military but because in order to get boots on the ground in their major urban areas, it is a huge undertaking.

We in North America benefit from this as well.
True. But unlike Iraq and Afg I believe there wouldn’t be much support for insurgents or guerillas. The Ukrainians would probably be very happy to see Americans on their soil. Our air power, armor and boots could clean that place up in a month or so.
 
Yep. Russia has 7 time zones in it.

We can't even clear out Afghanistan.
Ukraine is slightly smaller than Texas. If we were determined it would be hard but not impossible. Start in the east and move westward obliterating, eliminating or evacuating any Russian found.

The mountains, valleys and caves in Afg made things quite difficult.
 
True. But unlike Iraq and Afg I believe there wouldn’t be much support for insurgents or guerillas. The Ukrainians would probably be very happy to see Americans on their soil. Our air power, armor and boots could clean that place up in a month or so.
You ever fought in an OBUA environment?

Door to door, street to street, block by block....all it takes is a section of men here and there to hold up a whole brigade.

Don't fool yourself when it comes to insurgent warfare, a bunch of ignorant, illiterate farmers repelled a couple of the most powerful forces on earth, once in the '80s and again recently...all the firepower NATO could bear couldn't dislodge them and it would be the same going into somewhere like Russia or Iran...
 
You ever fought in an OBUA environment?

Door to door, street to street, block by block....all it takes is a section of men here and there to hold up a whole brigade.

Don't fool yourself when it comes to insurgent warfare, a bunch of ignorant, illiterate farmers repelled a couple of the most powerful forces on earth, once in the '80s and again recently...all the firepower NATO could bear couldn't dislodge them and it would be the same going into somewhere like Russia or Iran...
If we really want to win a war we just go old school. By air we bomb pretty much anything. I'm all about surgical precision. When we have the Intel to do it. Nearly impossible for the geography Russia has.

Sorry but I'd just bomb anything that supported life. Putin knows that war. This is, of course, all hypothetical.
 
If we really want to win a war we just go old school. By air we bomb pretty much anything. I'm all about surgical precision. When we have the Intel to do it. Nearly impossible for the geography Russia has.

Sorry but I'd just bomb anything that supported life. Putin knows that war. This is, of course, all hypothetical.
As long as the opposing force doesn't have any anti air assets that is...the old days of sending wave after wave of bombers wouldn't be effective as it used to be.
 
As long as the opposing force doesn't have any anti air assets that is...the old days of sending wave after wave of bombers wouldn't be effective as it used to be.
How many B1s have we lost?
Next gen B2s?

They can't hit what they can't see.

I was proud of the F-117s that hit Iraq that night. The Iraqi A2A were shooting wildly into random airspace trying to get lucky. They had zero idea where the aircraft were.
 
How many B1s have we lost?
Next gen B2s?

They can't hit what they can't see.

I was proud of the F-117s that hit Iraq that night. The Iraqi A2A were shooting wildly into random airspace trying to get lucky. They had zero idea where the aircraft were.
Those platforms have yet to engage a near-peer enemy....

The enemy can track them, they are not invisible anymore.
 
Stealth planes are no longer invisible. Stealthyness has to be "tuned" to certain radar frequencies and radar systems can now scan frequencies looking for the aircraft/drones. The advantage they do have is that generally speaking, they are pretty good at hiding from the frequencies needed to target an aircraft with a weapon. If we sent an F-35 into a theater the way the F-117 went into Baghdad, it would be a turkey shoot for the Russians/Chinese.

So is stealth really worth the cost and more importantly the negative impacts on aerodynamics? For now, careful mission planning and really good stealth qualities make F-35's pretty effective. But when you know how stealth works, it's pretty simple to see how to defeat it: multiple radar scanning at multiple frequencies. It's pretty safe to assume no one has this, however, as everyone is putting tons of effort into developing stealth aircraft.
 
Stealth planes are no longer invisible. Stealthyness has to be "tuned" to certain radar frequencies and radar systems can now scan frequencies looking for the aircraft/drones. The advantage they do have is that generally speaking, they are pretty good at hiding from the frequencies needed to target an aircraft with a weapon. If we sent an F-35 into a theater the way the F-117 went into Baghdad, it would be a turkey shoot for the Russians/Chinese.

So is stealth really worth the cost and more importantly the negative impacts on aerodynamics? For now, careful mission planning and really good stealth qualities make F-35's pretty effective. But when you know how stealth works, it's pretty simple to see how to defeat it: multiple radar scanning at multiple frequencies. It's pretty safe to assume no one has this, however, as everyone is putting tons of effort into developing stealth aircraft.
To add to this, the tech the public knows about and sees is a very small percentage of the actual tech militaries are using and working towards.

I was using GPS long before anyone in the public knew what it was and there was much more "secret" tech we were using and still are using that the public has no clue about.
 
Those platforms have yet to engage a near-peer enemy....

The enemy can track them, they are not invisible anymore.
I think you'd be surprised. They incorporate stealth plus blinding countermeasures. What little can be seen can be responded with what you'd recognize best as a jamming signal. It basically makes what is already a small response look even more confusing to lock onto. Stealth absorbs. Jamming blinds.
 
I think you'd be surprised. They incorporate stealth plus blinding countermeasures. What little can be seen can be responded with what you'd recognize best as a jamming signal. It basically makes what is already a small response look even more confusing to lock onto. Stealth absorbs. Jamming blinds.
I don't put a lot of blind faith in being surprised especially when it comes to counter-tech and the world today.
 
Current Ukraine aid by country

Germany and France lacking by some way

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Back in the day we had the Russians come out to inspect our B1B's under SALT and aircraft mounts for ALCM's had to be disable so they could never be used again. Well you can't keep a good Air Puppy down so if needed we could be FMC on ALCM's sooner than you think. It was a sad day when we went from a WSA to a MSA.
 
Current Ukraine aid by country

Germany and France lacking by some way

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Every NATO partner should be contributing aid to Ukraine as well as every country that borders Russia and Ukraine whether or not they're a NATO partner. Other countries should realize the threat that Russia poses to their sovereignty and democratic rule if they're successful in taking Ukraine by force. They should ask themselves how not contributing is benefitting them?
 
Every NATO partner should be contributing aid to Ukraine as well as every country that borders Russia and Ukraine whether or not they're a NATO partner. Other countries should realize the threat that Russia poses to their sovereignty and democratic rule if they're successful in taking Ukraine by force. They should ask themselves how not contributing is benefitting them?
When it is ONCE AGAIN in their own backyard why are our contributions over ten times more than any other?
Not to mention the FTX factor which is still unknown and probably never will be. That dude SBF was the second largest donor to democrats for the 2022 campaign short of George Soros. There are also bank, paper and money trails showing tens of millions of dollars going from SBF/FTX to Ukraine and back here again. How much? To whom? And back to whom? Hmmmm…
 
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