Russia and Ukraine

Bumblebee said:
Don't exactly know how this computes to Russia invading Ukraine with thousands dying on either side of the conflict...
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Hi. Well maybe Russia wanted to be in the game. Or to get the labs out. Some parts wanted to be under Russian control and saw Biden would be week. There is just a lot that was going on alot more than we know about.
 
michael parris heuberger said:
Hi. Well maybe Russia wanted to be in the game. Or to get the labs out. Some parts wanted to be under Russian control and saw Biden would be week. There is just a lot that was going on alot more than we know about.
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Russia and Ukraine have been at odds ever since the collapse of the Soviet Union, I don't think the Biden clan had much to do with this..

Russia believes Kyiv is the birthplace of Mother Russia and want it back....

They (Russia) also did this sort of thing to other break away states but was more successful with those ventures...
 
Bumblebee said:
Russia and Ukraine have been at odds ever since the collapse of the Soviet Union, I don't think the Biden clan had much to do with this..

Russia believes Kyiv is the birthplace of Mother Russia and want it back....

They (Russia) also did this sort of thing to other break away states but was more successful with those ventures...
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Hi. All I can say is there is alot more than what meets the eye.
 
Bumblebee said:
The Ukrainian military can get "things" but putting them into effective action are two different things...

But I agree, this is definitely a proxy war being fought between NATO and Russia using Ukraine as a vessel...
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The point I was eluding too was, they can be pretty incompetent on the hardware we send them. All we have to do is see them burning in flames and Zelinski begging for more, and the population will keep ignoring the total waste taking place. "We" that is the political "We" has to fight the horrible Ruskies.

Yet behind the publics back, let's let them keep selling oil. Keep allowing the Ruble to be currency.

Keep funneling $$ and hardware and oil and natural gas into the hands of the allies. We can whip those Ruskies. Or go broke trying.

I recently read a piece about how our heavy armament rounds are falling to critically low levels. Leaving us vulnerable.

Well effing duh. Who would have thought that wouldn't be announced. Now we get to spend real $$ to build up our inventory. Like nobody was bright enough to see that one coming.
 
TallTom said:
The point I was eluding too was, they can be pretty incompetent on the hardware we send them. All we have to do is see them burning in flames and Zelinski begging for more, and the population will keep ignoring the total waste taking place. "We" that is the political "We" has to fight the horrible Ruskies.

Yet behind the publics back, let's let them keep selling oil. Keep allowing the Ruble to be currency.

Keep funneling $$ and hardware and oil and natural gas into the hands of the allies. We can whip those Ruskies. Or go broke trying.

I recently read a piece about how our heavy armament rounds are falling to critically low levels. Leaving us vulnerable.

Well effing duh. Who would have thought that wouldn't be announced. Now we get to spend real $$ to build up our inventory. Like nobody was bright enough to see that one coming.
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There's a term for this it's called "giving away the farm" and the west will keep giving until there's nothing left to give and yet the Russians will still be in the Ukraine in some sort of fashion..

If nothing else, this should be a wake up call for the west...
 
Bumblebee said:
I'd like to see Russia come to their senses and withdraw it's forces out of there while it still has a trace of dignity left....
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Seriously? The Russians can keep this up as far forward as I can see. As long as they can sell their oil, there is no end in sight I can see. Everytime Ukraine hits a Russian target, the Russians respond by obliterating a few city blocks of innocent people. Ukraine has a lot less left to get obliterated than Russia does.
 
TallTom said:
Seriously? The Russians can keep this up as far forward as I can see. As long as they can sell their oil, there is no end in sight I can see. Everytime Ukraine hits a Russian target, the Russians respond by obliterating a few city blocks of innocent people. Ukraine has a lot less left to get obliterated than Russia does.
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Russia isn't the war machine it once was, it like many other countries has lost quite a bit of it's ability to regenerate arms and ammo...(and troops)...

There will be a time in the near future where the people of Russia will revolt...it's inevitable, the common Russian citizen is suffering and I figure they will only stand for it for so long.
 
Bumblebee said:
There's a term for this it's called "giving away the farm" and the west will keep giving until there's nothing left to give and yet the Russians will still be in the Ukraine in some sort of fashion..

If nothing else, this should be a wake up call for the west...
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As the U.S goes, so does the rest of the West. And I'm sorry but I give Putin total credit for knowing we'd have to take the bait. He could have invaded when he took Crimea. I think Crimea was a "test the waters of the west".
 
TallTom said:
As the U.S goes, so does the rest of the West. And I'm sorry but I give Putin total credit for knowing we'd have to take the bait. He could have invaded when he took Crimea. I think Crimea was a "test the waters of the west".
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I also think the other bad actors of the world are watching this unfold as well...this is a good observational test for them.
 
Bumblebee said:
I also think the other bad actors of the world are watching this unfold as well...this is a good observational test for them.
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Yeah China is itching for Taiwan! However we aren't being told just how bad they are economically. I have Chinese neighbors that fled about 6 years ago. Still all the family and friends are there. Things are pretty bad there. Paying for the take over of a country isn't cheap. And as we are finally starting to see, workers are beginning to revolt at the conditions. The fact that we can even see that on the media tells us it must be bad.

Those little outburst got killed by firing squads. We never heard a peep.
 
TallTom said:
Yeah China is itching for Taiwan! However we aren't being told just how bad they are economically. I have Chinese neighbors that fled about 6 years ago. Still all the family and friends are there. Things are pretty bad there. Paying for the take over of a country isn't cheap. And as we are finally starting to see, workers are beginning to revolt at the conditions. The fact that we can even see that on the media tells us it must be bad.

Those little outburst got killed by firing squads. We never heard a peep.
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I was reading that for the first time in a very long time, China's population is on a decline, a big decline...

I'd say it's not all roses and puppy dogs over there.....
 
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