Single topic debate #2

[thepushercg]

for life on earth everthing has to be perfect, nothing else would work.
facts : the earth is 93 millon miles from the sun in a circular orbit, all other planets in our solar system are elliptial orbits, our orbit keeps us at 93 millon miles constant. if we had a elliptial orbit we would freeze part of the year and burn up the other part of the year.
earth has an exact 23 degree tilt which provides numerous things. it is estimated that half of the earths surface would be uninhabitable without the tilt.
earth rotates at 1,002 mph { a touch faster than our busa's} which gives us a 24 hour day if we did not rotate the side facing the sun would become too hot for vegetation and human life. the other side would be too cold for life to exist
these are few facts that discredit evolution. for the perfection of all things can only come from one being.

 

[thepushercg]

there are two evolution theorys.
1. microevolution
2. macroevolution

microevolution means it describes the small mutations & varations that scientist find over time that occur within species, the small genetic change might lead to a variation of a species, however it will still remain the same orginal species.

macroevolution is the general theory of evolution that claims unkown random mutations somehow provide survival advantages over a long period producing an entirely new species..
now microevolution does exist, but there is no scientific evidence to show that macroevolution occurs or had ever occurred.
in the last few decades, numerous scientist have publicly admitted that there reason for promoting the theory of evolution is, although the scientific evidence for macroevolution is non-existent, the only logical alternative was creation by GOD. since the biblical alternaive was absolutely unacceptable to their atheistic convictions.

 

[Revlis]

Nice things about science is that it is allowed to evolve, theories change, opinions altered as evidence is gathered.

Unlike Christian Dogma, which is locked down, and sworn to as FACT, regardless of the current trends. When Changes have been made, they are ignored, and everyone plays stupid. "What, it's allways been like that, Yeah, Christmas is when jesus was Born..." Blah Blah Blah... Ignoring the fact that it was never a part of Christian Faith, now it is and it's celebrated by Millions as a birthday. Even though its not...

Regardless of the Evidence, of new ideas or theories, the Catholics and Christians in general Cling tightly to the establishment for fear of loosing power, money, control over the heards...

Science is allowed to evolve? You mean science is allowed to change when proven wrong each time. Sound like a weather man, first it's gonna rain, oops now it's gonna be sunny no wait a minute maybe it'll rain. Oh well who knows what its gonna do.

I like being locked into something solid, it's kinda like the north star. It will always be north and Gods word will always be right.

WOW!

And uh, good luck with that.

 

[WWJD]

who cares about the why?? I disagree about your thinking. It's not about weather there is a god or not, it's about how we came to be in the world today, the actual physical process of it. How was everything created. You say God did it fine, but how? I dont know if there is a god pulling the string or not and dont care either, but I do care how it's done.

who cares about the "WHY"? ? ? We ALL do or there would be no discussion here. Why are we here is the essential question. You say random, dumb luck, I say devine intervention or design.

One thing I accepted as I began to see the hidden pointlessness of the endless pursuit of knowledge, is that I will never know everything. My emotional/spiritual side ACCEPTS the reality that I can not know everything and is able to live in calm peace because I can accpet that. Science says, NO! There MUST be an expleanation that we can fit into OUR SELF CREATED PARAMETERS or it simply isn't real.
TO ME, THAT is the biggest farce on the planet. People thinking science CAN explain everything. It just can't. But the more time people spend THINKING it can and pursuing that end, the less time they will notice the REAL world going on right beneath thier nose.... the amazing beauty of a flower, the joy of watching someone make someone else happy, love etc etc etc

I don't care why my bike starts, I just have FAITH that it will. Same faith I have when doing 170 on the track that all those parts will continue to function correctly and not kill me in a heap on the side of turn 4. I do not question HOW it works or WHY, heck I don't even really understand engines.... I just enjoy the ride because THAT is why I am here. The bike, the flowers, the love [jeeez I sound like a tree huggin hippy now!] are all part of the ride. I have realized it's the questioning that detracts from all that.

Is there a God? In physical tests [not unlike the fleece thing] I have discovered that there sure is. Can I prove it to you? No, you are not me.

Many here will attest to "miracles" that have lived through or witnessed, and the best answer science can offer up? "Coincidence". Again with the dumb luck. I stopped believing in "luck" years ago, and what a freeing thing THAT is! .... did I really survive that turn on Luck, Miracle or Coincidence. you know MY answer.

 

[SAMBUSA]

You say that there is no God because there is no evidence that he exists. So......have you ever seen your brain? Have you ever touched your brain? Have you ever heard your brain? The answer is no. Therefore, by your own theory of "lack of tangible evidence to prove there is a God" then I must assume that you do not have a brain.

 

[Relsek]

Where's WW?  He's usually good for a tussle...

Ah and where is A6?  He used well sharpened logic that cut pretty deep sometimes.

I feel so insignificant.

 

[Revlis]

Where's WW? He's usually good for a tussle...

Ah and where is A6? He used well sharpened logic that cut pretty deep sometimes.

I feel so insignificant.

I was hoping this would get you out here.

Real good to see you posting!

Bible Thumper or no, good to see ya.

 

[Projekt]

something I dug up    careful where your evolution takes you

Nonsense,
Hitler got his idea from Swedish programs to eradicate the undesireables. Believe it or not, Sweden was first in the practice of selective reproduction. Many, many people were sterilized for the program. Most of the women went into the sex trade and the men, just ended up lonely.
Megalomaniacs are sociopathic, and do not take cues from evolutionary scientists. They develop their own brand of power induced, irrational motives for protection of their agenda. This is paranoia caused by the stress of keeping yourself in power.
Move along.

But You know from Fact also that Stalin did get his ideaology from reading Darwin the Creator of Evolution,   and this is FACT and Widely known

but I do have to say that it didn't help that he was a power hungry phsyco       wasn't he schitzophrenic?   anyone anyone Bueller anyone

His actions are demonstrative of various personality disorders including schizophrenia, paranoid disassociative mania, and others.
He was not himself, literally, his professional actor double/twin was the image that most Russians and for that matter what foreigners knew.
The guy obliterated thousands upon thousands of people and sent vast hundreds of thousands into the the northern labor camps (goulags). These, many of whom were distinguished poets and philosophers, merely exercised their minds on the topic of Socialistic tyranny. Many others similar to these political dissidents were disposed of to include jews, gays, military personnel, secret police, members of secret residual clergy, and common folks that were suspected of sympathetic views of the west.
The entire eastern Soviet Union was heavily populated with displaced people that were ordered to pack up and relocate to places like the Mongolian frontier states, the Caucuses, eastern outposts on the bering sea as well as the favorite, Siberia.
He was worse than Hitler from many aspects. He used the ideology of the "health of the fatherland" to exterminate millions of ordinary citizens selected from lotteries held privately and even individually selecteds thousands of random victims per night.
Blah blah blah blah...



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[Projekt]

for life on earth everthing has to be perfect, nothing else would work.
facts : the earth is 93 millon miles from the sun in a circular orbit, all other planets in our solar system are  elliptial orbits, our orbit keeps us at 93 millon miles constant. if we had a elliptial orbit we would freeze part of the year and burn up the other part of the year.
earth has an exact 23 degree tilt which provides numerous things. it is estimated that half of the earths surface would be uninhabitable without the tilt.
earth rotates at 1,002 mph { a touch faster than our busa's} which gives us a 24 hour day if we did not rotate the side facing the sun would become too hot for vegetation and human life. the other side would be too cold for life to exist
these are few facts that discredit evolution. for the perfection of all things can only come from one being.

I see that you subscribe to the theory of intelligent design.



Unfortunately for you, due to the sheer expanse of the universe and the statistical probability that other worlds operate within the same envelope, intelligent design is a non-topic. Based on the approximate ten percent rule we have similar brothers and sisters in EVERY SOLAR SYSTEM IN THE UNIVERSE!!!! Period... The fact that we have not been exposed on a large scale to their technological ability is not a reason to promote this as the only living planet. Furthermore, we cannot subscribe to the theory of one GOD.
This is because, every clan, every genitically linked family and tribe naturally develops their own understanding and name for their god, hence polytheism. It starts with a wise father or mother and over millenia develops into the all-nowing all-seeing deity that is their god.
Move along.

 

[delboy]

There are more stars than there are grains of sand on all the beaches in the world, even if only a small percentage have planets there are still millions. But I still hope my mum and dad are waiting for me when I die

 

[ks-waterbug]

The evolutionist's song



I was a tadpole when I began to begin

Next I was a frog with my tail tucked in


Then I was a monkey in a coconut tree


And now I'm a man with a PhD.

Tim Leigh

 

[delboy]

All I know is that we should have nuked the entire middle-east instead of Japan...[/QUOTE]

Nice one Charlie, glad to see that you subscribe to the theory of intelligent design or is it evolution theory, not sure ? can anyone out ther explain this statement or give me a clue what this guy is on

 

[warwgn]

who cares about the "WHY"? ? ?  We ALL do or there would be no discussion here.   Why are we here is the essential question.  You say random, dumb luck, I say devine intervention or design.

but that is not the question of the orignal post is it, thats where the argument starts you are trying to answer a different question and arguing a different point. There is no point to argure the why since it is only opinion and cant be proven one way or another. We are specificaly talking about how. When all you can say is god did it that does not explain how and when we start explaining the how religous folks get mad and start quoting the bible. Why cant you just say god did it but I dont know how he did it? Your interptation of the bible could be completly wrong and actually the bible may support everything science says. Evolution may be gods mechanisim for creating man, if so great, but I dont care I still want to know how.

So back to my point, without the bible nothing supports creationist theory

 

[WWJD]

I CAN SAY I don't know 'how' because I don't. And I also support the God designed evolutionary growth thing. But you are correct that this thread is here to run around the same circles over and over again like all the other posts about this battle.

But the REAL question behind the question IS: Why are we here?

My question is, how does the way you answer the above question affect the way you live your life? In my eyes, EV VS CRE is simply: if there's a God, live a godly life, if not, feel free to run wild in the streets because there is nothing to be accountable for...
...and you KNOW how that works out. http://www.cnn.com/

And I'm not the least bit mad NOR quoting Bible verses

 

[warwgn]

Well if thats how you want to play

Why we are here is unimportant, we just are and there is no answer that will change it, no need to know why. My personal opinion on that subject is we are here to propagate more life. The meaning to life is two parts 1) to keep living, survival, 2) to become better at living, more evolved. Thats it, thats all there is to it, what more do we need.

As for running wild with the absence of god thats not true, that would not be indusive to part 1. If we act like fools and dont try to get along we will be killed or die from stupidity. Before the bible and jesus and gods laws, we managed to make our own laws and keep ourselves in check. As a species we managed to live a long time and were bettering our selves just fine. Moraly today we dont agree with our actions of the past, slavery, sacrafice, all the "bad" things people did. But that was a different world and I doubt it would happen in todays world. All the looting and riots happen with god still here and mans laws are the ones that step in and stop it, not once has a priest stepped in and said stop in the name of god. We police our own weather god was involved or not.

So to answer your question " how does the way you answer the above question affect the way you live your life?"

I dont belive in god or in a higher purpose, I am just here untill I die, so I live the fullest life I can for me and my family because of the short amount of time I do have with them. I want to make them happy and have the best life I can with them so I will be happy while I am alive. I dont need god to tell me I need to be happy I just want to be happy and enjoy life. When I die thats it, game over, but I will die in peace knowing I left a positive mark on the world and my children had a good example to go by and they will in turn do the same. I honestly belive most people would continue to live their lives just as they do without god because it is the most conductive to survival in todays environment.

And love is a survival mechanisim just like fight or flight, if you love a person it makes a strong bond to care for them and protect them which is in line with part 1 and 2 for the meaning of life. If you think about most things we do they fall in line with those 2 things, if not then they cause death.


All of the above does not require god, but I am not saying you are wrong for beliving in god, only answering your question honestly with my own view on life.

 

[Iced]

At the end of it all, Darwinism/Evolution is still a theory and still not fact and has not been proven and isn't that what science is about? Theories followed by proofs? Are there any advancements in this theory lately?

Science has always used some method for evaluating whatever concept that explains the observation in nature. If science can't explain it, it becomes classified as supernatural.

 

[dudewizr]

Well if thats how you want to play

Why we are here is unimportant, we just are and there is no answer that will change it, no need to know why. My personal opinion on that subject is we are here to propagate more life. The meaning to life is two parts 1) to keep living, survival, 2) to become better at living, more evolved. Thats it, thats all there is to it, what more do we need.

As for running wild with the absence of god thats not true, that would not be indusive to part 1. If we act like fools and dont try to get along we will be killed or die from stupidity. Before the bible and jesus and gods laws, we managed to make our own laws and keep ourselves in check. As a species we managed to live a long time and were bettering our selves just fine. Moraly today we dont agree with our actions of the past, slavery, sacrafice, all the "bad" things people did. But that was a different world and I doubt it would happen in todays world. All the looting and riots happen with god still here and mans laws are the ones that step in and stop it, not once has a priest stepped in and said stop in the name of god. We police our own weather god was involved or not.

So to answer your question " how does the way you answer the above question affect the way you live your life?"

I dont belive in god or in a higher purpose, I am just here untill I die, so I live the fullest life I can for me and my family because of the short amount of time I do have with them. I want to make them happy and have the best life I can with them so I will be happy while I am alive. I dont need god to tell me I need to be happy I just want to be happy and enjoy life. When I die thats it, game over, but I will die in peace knowing I left a positive mark on the world and my children had a good example to go by and they will in turn do the same. I honestly belive most people would continue to live their lives just as they do without god because it is the most conductive to survival in todays environment.

And love is a survival mechanisim just like fight or flight, if you love a person it makes a strong bond to care for them and protect them which is in line with part 1 and 2 for the meaning of life. If you think about most things we do they fall in line with those 2 things, if not then they cause death.


All of the above does not require god, but I am not saying you are wrong for beliving in god, only answering your question honestly with my own view on life.

You said "Before the bible and jesus and gods laws, we managed to make our own laws and keep ourselves in check. As a species we managed to live a long time and were bettering our selves just fine."

3 words "Soddam and Gamorah", that was a fine job. Yeah doing what is right in our eyes always goes unchecked, yeah right.

 

[thepushercg]

projket, for life to exist everthing has to be in place in certain proportions, a touch too much here or there and life does not exist.the odds would be off the board for life to exist anywhere else in the same manner as us. i do belive intelligent design is the only way for life, yes the universe is vast.scentist have not yet (nor will) find intelligent life other than here on this earth.
as for others GOD's in each person our souls are connected to GOD, we have a natural pull towards him. as the generations have come and gone some things have been corrupted and compromissed in peoples beliefs.as i have stated before i know there is GOD and satan, and the one thing i would give satan credit for is the blinding of people to GOD's creation. there is no way i can convince you or others that GOD created the heavens and the earth, there is a mindset among the evoluntionist that i have stated before, most are atheist that are looking for a reason not to serve GOD, it is a natural human action that we are our own boss and answer to know one. people can try to convince there selfs that there is no GOD. people can live their life like there is no GOD,but the same will contiune to search for GOD,just as this topic is about, if an evolunist was so sure of there beliefs there would not be a discussion about it. so in the end
ever knee shall bow, ever tounge shall confess.
now i said before i know myself without a doubt that GOD exist and so does satan.as a evolunist or atheist a person will not see satans work, why should they ? he allready has them .
to tell you the truth this debate is going in circles. no one is getting no where. which was to be expected. evolonist are stating there beliefs, creationist are stating theres.

 

[warwgn]

I'm refering to real history not bible stories. Egyptians, Mayans, Aztecs, Romans, China,Greece,India,Pompeii, and all the contrabutions they gave us long before the bible was invented.

 

[ks-waterbug]

I'm refering to real history not bible stories. Egyptians, Mayans, Aztecs, Romans, China,Greece,India,Pompeii, and all the contrabutions they gave us long before the bible was invented.

When you say Real History, do you infer that to mean Factual... Cause I thought we already covered that.
I wonder what all the factual History books are going to say in ref to the murder of President Kennedy..... Who did it?
OR
More like some of the factual history books being distributed today that say the Holocust never happened.... Which must be true cause I heard the leader of Iran say it didn't happen on CNN  

Point is most everything has man's spin put into it... Your Facts, History, etc... & religion! The difference is History won't send me to Hell, but my religion can.