Ten innocents dead

[fallenarch]

Hi what are you trying to do? May be we should ban screw drivers like the ones with the sharp point. Or even knives as they kill more people than rifles. All of the guns I have owned never killed anyone. It was all ways me pulling the trigger. Guns do not kill people, people do. I do think we should have a militias. Do not forget only a good guy with a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun, so I say we have a lot of good guys with guns.

That's flawed logic. First of all the only thing, an AR-15 can do is entertain and kill. So to compare it to a car is a mixed metaphor so to speak, as we put up with cars because we have to - but we do everything we can to make them safe. On the second point about guns not killing people that is nonsense. Yes, I have to pull the trigger to shoot someone but without a gun killing them would be harder and killing them 10 at a time even more complicated. Finally, we don't see more guns in the hands of good guys making a significant difference. If the numbers are correct, there was probably someone in the vicinity of many of these mass shootings who chose to keep their weapon concealed rather than getting involved in a shooting, and the legal mess that follows.

The only thing more guns do is get more people killed. We have been here several times in this country and the solution to bring things back to civility was to control the number of weapons in the population. Not saying I want gun control, I like my guns. But those are the facts. It's just irresponsible to let that kind of power lose unregulated into the population.

 

[fallenarch]

We had an assault gun ban in 1994 and it appears to have worked. I don't believe it was solely responsible for the murder rate dropping, but it did stop some of the shootings.

 

[JeffSyh]

@fallenarch long rifles kill far less than handguns do a year, I don't see a use for a handgun to be honest. But I could use any long rifle for hunting any day of the week, .223 is legal to shoot deer with here now and lots of people have been changing platforms to a .223 for white tail.

 

[fallenarch]

@fallenarch long rifles kill far less than handguns do a year, I don't see a use for a handgun to be honest. But I could use any long rifle for hunting any day of the week, .223 is legal to shoot deer with here now and lots of people have been changing platforms to a .223 for white tail.

This is true

 

[Bumblebee]

@fallenarch long rifles kill far less than handguns do a year, I don't see a use for a handgun to be honest. But I could use any long rifle for hunting any day of the week, .223 is legal to shoot deer with here now and lots of people have been changing platforms to a .223 for white tail.

You can shoot deer with a .223 (5.56) but you don't need an AR platform to do it.

I would say especially in the US, long guns have killed their fair share as their range and higher capacity magazines give them the edge. When an active shooter is using a long gun, more people tend to get killed and injured vice a hand gun...

The only use I can see for a hand gun is at a range for competitive shoots. In the US they are preferred for home/self defence whereas here in Canada we don't have a "castle law" per say...

 

[busabobh]

No matter what you do someone will abuse it, and others will say how bad it is. The real problem is the people themselves. We never had these problems 50 years ago. I don’t have any good answers, just because I don’t like most people and what they do does not give me the right to stop them as long as they don’t hurt me.

 

[busabobh]

Another thought, no one needs or should have a motorcycle that does more than 75 mph. No one should be able to modify any part of a stock bike.

 

[Mythos]

Technically speaking it already is illegal to modify a vehicle used on the road but I get your point. Nobody needs beer either and some people are going to drink that beer and go out and drive a vehicle even if it's restricted to 75 mph. Beer should be illegal for everyone's safety.

 

[Bumblebee]

Protect our border from these Muslim terrorists coming over,and these 10 people would still be alive....not to mention the thousands each year killed,rapped,stabbed by illegal immigrants...all because of the satan worshipping dems/liberals....

Democrats call evil good,and good evil....thats What God hates

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1. After Boulder: We've Got to Start Naming the Evil 2. A Former KGB Agent Describes How Current-Day Commusocialists Plan to Fundamentally Transform America: *Destabilize *Demoralize *Create Crisis *P

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Huh?

Many of the shooters which conducted these mass shootings were born in the US, terrorists come in all shapes, sizes and religions...it's only convenient to consider them all Muslim...the Muslim religion as a rule is based on peace...it's the radicalized extremists who create the issues.

There are radicalized people in all religions by the way...

This isn't the politics thread, save your rhetoric for that thread.

 

[Bumblebee]

No matter what you do someone will abuse it, and others will say how bad it is. The real problem is the people themselves. We never had these problems 50 years ago. I don’t have any good answers, just because I don’t like most people and what they do does not give me the right to stop them as long as they don’t hurt me.

The US had these problems for centuries, there was just less media to cover it...mass killing is nothing new to the US, it's the culture which is the issue.

 

[busabobh]

The US had these problems for centuries, there was just less media to cover it...mass killing is nothing new to the US, it's the culture which is the issue.

This is not just a US problem, totally agree with the culture issue.

 

[Bumblebee]

This is not just a US problem, totally agree with the culture issue.

No, but we are talking about recent mass killings within the US..

Not many other developed countries can compare to the number of mass shootings the US has.

No other country (other than the failed states) has more weapons in the hands of their citizens then the US has.

 

[moko]

The US had these problems for centuries, there was just less media to cover it...mass killing is nothing new to the US, it's the culture which is the issue.

Also...to compound the problem...our media is controlled by people who sensor the facts...they tell the media to not report on the thousands of illegal violent crimes against Americans....then also not to report on the thousands of lives that were saved..

.becasue our citizens protected themselves with guns...

This is a BIG No No...in the democrat (and some republican) run media...becasue it goes against their plan to disarm and enslave the public.

They have to cover up real facts about crimes...they are in the business of twisting the story...these people are evil

 

[jellyrug]

No, but we are talking about recent mass killings within the US..

Not many other developed countries can compare to the number of mass shootings the US has.

No other country (other than the failed states) has more weapons in the hands of their citizens then the US has.

I use to frequent Canada, on business. Won't be able to live there, the cost of living for one, the weather for a second and more restrictions for a third.

The freedom in America unfortunately comes at a price, nevertheless it appeals to millions.

 

[WuzzaCBXRider]

Another ignorant wretch heard from.

Also...to compound the problem...our media is controlled by people who sensor the facts...they tell the media to not report on the thousands of illegal violent crimes against Americans....then also not to report on the thousands of lives that were saved..

.becasue our citizens protected themselves with guns...

This is a BIG No No...in the democrat (and some republican) run media...becasue it goes against their plan to disarm and enslave the public.

They have to cover up real facts about crimes...they are in the business of twisting the story...these people are evil

What a crock. If there were thousands of (anything) NOT reported, how did you find out about them?

 

[Bumblebee]

I use to frequent Canada, on business. Won't be able to live there, the cost of living for one, the weather for a second and more restrictions for a third.

The freedom in America unfortunately comes at a price, nevertheless it appeals to millions.

We all have to live somewhere....I've been to many, many countries and it's always good to get back home to Canada as many of the countries have their own idiosyncrasies which are not 100% perfect.

Other than gun laws, Canada and the US share quite a few similar freedoms, I wouldn't say the US is any more free than we are here in Canada.

 

[Odin]

Weapons are not the problem it's the people wanting to kill others. You can't stop them taking away guns. Sad people can't see that ever since the media victimizes the one killing instead of the ones being killed, that these incidents have skyrocketed . You just will get them seeking other ways to kill people. The media will still cry about the killer and it's going to continue until the media shows responsibility , not just wanting viewers to watch/read to incite them as well as make the killers infamous, which is all the killers want.

 

[Bumblebee]

Weapons are not the problem it's the people wanting to kill others. You can't stop them taking away guns. Sad people can't see that ever since the media victimizes the one killing instead of the ones being killed, that these incidents have skyrocketed . You just will get them seeking other ways to kill people. The media will still cry about the killer and it's going to continue until the media shows responsibility , not just wanting viewers to watch/read to incite them as well as make the killers infamous, which is all the killers want.

Weapons and the easy ability to obtain them is a catalyst to the problem.

People can, have and will kill other people by any and every means but an assault style rifle with a high capacity magazine sure gives a shooter more capability...rarely is there a mass shooting where the shooter used a bolt action rifle...

Blaming the media is the same as blaming the parents or society....almost all the media reports I've seen report on the shooting and the impact of the victims and how the police are trying to decipher why the shooter did what they did....people want to know this.

 

[Odin]

A weapon can't kill anyone without a person using it. I think the media is irresponsible in its actions and nothing they uncover has any real standing on why they shooter did what they did. Everyone has been bullied at one point or another. If you don't think they will use cars, bombs, and other weapons to continue killing then you sir are sadly mistaken.
My family has had guns for hundreds of years none of us have ever went on a killing spree. I was raised in a military family everyone had guns. My family was all farmers/ranchers they all had guns. Neighbors all had guns. No killing sprees by any of them. It's not the weapons, it's the sick people wanting to kill.
Your statement people want to know this, that makes it alright?? However having a gun to protect yourself isn't ok, it's like you don't care that a shooter to want to be infamous but your stance on gun control is harsh .. ...I could care less what people want to know about the POS out killing people, but want a gun to protect myself and family. So I see we have different points of view. I am guess you never had someone pull a gun on you or your family.

 

[Bumblebee]

A weapon can't kill anyone without a person using it. I think the media is irresponsible in its actions and nothing they uncover has any real standing on why they shooter did what they did. Everyone has been bullied at one point or another. If you don't think they will use cars, bombs, and other weapons to continue killing then you sir are sadly mistaken.
My family has had guns for hundreds of years none of us have ever went on a killing spree. I was raised in a military family everyone had guns. My family was all farmers/ranchers they all had guns. Neighbors all had guns. No killing sprees by any of them. It's not the weapons, it's the sick people wanting to kill.
Your statement people want to know this, that makes it alright?? However having a gun to protect yourself isn't ok, it's like you don't care that a shooter to want to be infamous but your stance on gun control is harsh .. ...I could care less what people want to know about the POS out killing people, but want a gun to protect myself and family. So I see we have different points of view. I am guess you never had someone pull a gun on you or your family.

Holy crap, down another rabbit hole we go again....

You know nothing about me so keep your assumptions...

We have already established it takes a person (in most cases) to squeeze a trigger and for a person to go out and kill someone for no apparent reason establishes the fact they are not quite right in the head...however, the ample availability of assault style weapons with high capacity magazines give these people a very easy platform with which to kill large numbers of people in a relatively short period of time. Your average citizen will not use a car bomb and a knife certainly doesn't have the same impact as an assault rifle.

Media is going to report on these crimes they same as they report on all other happenings, I don't blame the media that a lunatic picks up a rifle and kills people. Do you want a media blackout every time there is a shooting in the US? You might as well get rid of all media if that's the case.

There is absolutely no requirement or need for an average citizen to have in their possession a weapon such as an assault rifle holding 30 rds. I have hunted all my life and have yet to see a fellow hunter pull up and take an AK or AR out of their trunk to hunt deer...

If you absolutely need a gun for home protection, nothing protects like a .12ga........