The election is over

Not pessimism, understanding. Every major age in human history has seen the leader fall and a new center of power emerge. I think Americans are so in the "winner take all" mentality that they don't understand that the civilizations that last the longest are not the ones who always lead, it is the ones who can flourish even in the number 2 or 3 spot. We are moving out of the industrial age, which we dominated, and into the information age (there are debates on that obviously). China is uniquely suited to an industrial economy because industrial economies define power by the number of consumers creating demand. Think of it like the best, richest local store in a small community getting swamped when Walmart comes to town. Can China reconcile the inherent materialism of industrialization with communism? Frankly, I doubt it but we'll see. On the other hand, can we throw off the tools of industrialism like capitalism to move to a higher level? I doubt that too. It is funny how the modern US economy hasn't been a capitalist system for 150 years and people still cling to the term to the detriment of simple solutions to our major economic problems.

The only way to beat China is to fundamentally change the game. One of the things I like about the green movement is that it slows down the industrial march, and so slows China. The one thing the Chinese leaders fear is not being able to provide their 1.3 billion people jobs. We don't need that sort of workforce to maintain the supply of essential goods, so China is dependant on the world's appetite for material excess. I believe green technology and power was our chance to lead the world for another 50 years and we have squandered it. The last 4 years were critical, we are now behind relatively smaller countries. The Rockefellers and Kennedys of the future will build windmills, batteries, and solar panels.

China is not, however, stupid. They are building software and Artificial Intelligence dominance that will carry them past filling the shelves at Walmart. We are getting out of alliances that are fundamental to our power, creating a modern-day slavery system through an unsustainable wealth gap, and not providing basics like health insurance. It's like the ship is sinking and rather than working to get off the ship, we are fighting over the space at the back of the boat so we're the last ones to go down. Pretty senseless, and yes frankly that's where I am pessimistic. This stuff isn't complicated but it takes a bit more noodling to get than buying weapons and storming the capital.
You kind of contradicted yourself about being a pessimist?

Have you spent any amount of time in Taiwan?

Three times more productive than China, a GDP and standard of living which compares to Germany and Australia.

I’m biting my teeth to see your new leader’s stance regarding their independence.

BTW, there are three retail outlets both me and my wife refuse to enter. Walmart, Home Depot and Lowe’s.
 
You kind of contradicted yourself about being a pessimist?

Have you spent any amount of time in Taiwan?

Three times more productive than China, a GDP and standard of living which compares to Germany and Australia.

I’m biting my teeth to see your new leader’s stance regarding their independence.

BTW, there are three retail outlets both me and my wife refuse to enter. Walmart, Home Depot and Lowe’s.
Yes, I did contradict myself. I have to keep telling myself that we can get over race but I'm not sure I believe it.

I was in Taiwan for about 36 hours once but my father would go there often in the air force. He always brought cool toys from there! Back then though the place was an awful mess. Smelled really bad. But Japan smelled too. Of course, that was an American's sense of what stinks. I guess a more accurate description is it smelled like the sea. They still had open sewers beside the road then that were just covered with concrete planks. That was the late 60's -early 70's. My sister went back to Osaka Japan in the '90s and said it was totally changed - much more modern.

In Japan, I was friends with a Papasan. He was a bomber pilot in WWII. He didn't speak English and I didn't speak much Japanese. So he would point to pictures and I would draw pictures of what I was saying. He was fascinated by that. The drawings weren't that good but maybe it was that I was so young. In Japan, they always wanted to feel your skin and hair. They had no reference for differences in the population. They all looked exactly alike (they would consider that a compliment).

PS: If China is willing to shoot over it they will take it, not sure how to stop them.
 
You kind of contradicted yourself about being a pessimist?

Have you spent any amount of time in Taiwan?

Three times more productive than China, a GDP and standard of living which compares to Germany and Australia.

I’m biting my teeth to see your new leader’s stance regarding their independence.

BTW, there are three retail outlets both me and my wife refuse to enter. Walmart, Home Depot and Lowe’s.
Yes, I did contradict myself. I have to keep telling myself that we can get over race but I'm not sure I believe it.

I was in Taiwan for about 36 hours once but my father would go there often in the air force. He always brought cool toys from there! Back then though the place was an awful mess. Smelled really bad. But Japan smelled too. Of course, that was an American's sense of what stinks. I guess a more accurate description is it smelled like the sea. They still had open sewers beside the road then that were just covered with concrete planks. That was the late 60's -early 70's. My sister went back to Osaka Japan in the '90s and said it was totally changed - much more modern.

In Japan, I was friends with a Papasan. He was a bomber pilot in WWII. He didn't speak English and I didn't speak much Japanese. So he would point to pictures and I would draw pictures of what I was saying. He was fascinated by that. The drawings weren't that good but maybe it was that I was so young. In Japan, they always wanted to feel your skin and hair. They had no reference for differences in the population. They all looked exactly alike (they would consider that a compliment).
Getting back to the China threat, they have just about all the politicians who frequent San Francisco in their pocket. That includes Pelosi.

Here is a linky, but it may be too far right for you to consider.

 
Getting back to the China threat, they have just about all the politicians who frequent San Francisco in their pocket. That includes Pelosi.

Here is a linky, but it may be too far right for you to consider.

Not sure I disagree with any of that (read it fast) but given the last couple of months I think Russia is a more clear and present danger. Russia and China are currently nothing when compared to the US military, other than we might not have enough bullets to fend off a Chinese assault.

But I'm not sure how China is any different from us in terms of wanting to dominate the world economically and militarily. So yeah, we need to watch China, and Russia too. Let's say you were the No.1 tennis player in the world. Why wouldn't you expect everyone to be after you?

The question is how to do it.
 
Not sure I disagree with any of that (read it fast) but given the last couple of months I think Russia is a more clear and present danger. Russia and China are currently nothing when compared to the US military, other than we might not have enough bullets to fend off a Chinese assault.

But I'm not sure how China is any different from us in terms of wanting to dominate the world economically and militarily. So yeah, we need to watch China, and Russia too. Let's say you were the No.1 tennis player in the world. Why wouldn't you expect everyone to be after you?

The question is how to do it.
If you are the #1 tennis player in the world, an achievement you reached by honest transparent hard work, by being civil, and then your competitors come to the party by cheating. Shooting up steroids, anabolic hormones etc., and they get away with it, what do you do? And then some of your coaches get into your competitor’s pockets, how do you handle that?
 
Not sure I disagree with any of that (read it fast) but given the last couple of months I think Russia is a more clear and present danger. Russia and China are currently nothing when compared to the US military, other than we might not have enough bullets to fend off a Chinese assault.

But I'm not sure how China is any different from us in terms of wanting to dominate the world economically and militarily. So yeah, we need to watch China, and Russia too. Let's say you were the No.1 tennis player in the world. Why wouldn't you expect everyone to be after you?

The question is how to do it.
Invading Taiwan is not going to be a cakewalk.


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If you are the #1 tennis player in the world, an achievement you reached by honest transparent hard work, by being civil, and then your competitors come to the party by cheating. Shooting up steroids, anabolic hormones etc., and they get away with it, what do you do? And then some of your coaches get into your competitor’s pockets, how do you handle that?
Haha, apparently you don't know much about pro tennis. Who are you going to cry to? The UN that Trump just blew up? This is the real man's game. You have to be smarter and either figure out how to work with the Chinese or have a war. Start a shooting war and all is lost.
 
Haha, apparently you don't know much about pro tennis. Who are you going to cry to? The UN that Trump just blew up? This is the real man's game. You have to be smarter and either figure out how to work with the Chinese or have a war. Start a shooting war and all is lost.
A few ingredients in my recipe already stated some posts above. Unlikely they will be used by the new administration.
 
We aren't going to bring them down.
Maybe they will bring themselves down through the flawed ways of oppression and slavery when a billion slaves decided they have had enough. Russia's communist style government thought totalitarism was a superior way to govern its people... until it wasn't... 1991
If China had the problems we have with MAGAs, they would put them in prison or kill them.
Yes... the beating and killings will continue until moral improves. Does the language of Mandarin even have a word for "liberty". Plenty of Chinese people that want more personal freedom have effectively defected against China... You could call it the anti CCP faction... The CCP could be over thrown as history reminds us... No government is immune from a take over... you only have to understand what happened in this last election to know that.
Their system allows them to do that and they don't worry too much about what the world thinks.
They CCP only worries about being spied on and revealed because their media is state controlled and only approved propaganda is allowed by the CCP. Dissenters will be silenced as you mentioned... do you approve? Or at least approve of pro Trump people being silenced? Facebook, Twitter, Google and others are happy to suppress free speech anytime it doesn't fit the narrative they prefer...

I mean... who would want the biggest economy in the world to make a comeback after this covid shiitt ends... people going back to work and having the lowest unemployment stats in the world is a bad thing if Trump is at the helm... right?
Their president is elected for life, but he knows he has to perform or that can change. Besides, who out there is going to turn down Chinese products? Nike, Walmart, who?
It doesn't matter what stores peddle Chinese products... when people start voting with their debit / credit cards it doesn't take long for retailers to figure out nobody wants their cheap shiitt anymore.
Yes, China's young people are pushing the country more to the west, but we have a couple of Chinese in our office, and they still love China even though they are here.
Of course they love their country... they grew up there... however... they left it all behind... actions speak louder than words... nobody forced them to move here... they chose the USA for personal reasons like not living under an oppressive regime that can threaten their existence at any moment.
Their main problem is the pace of change in China, not the lack of it.

Yeah... personal freedom is in vogue... what a novel idea... we jumped out of Europe in increasing numbers about 400 years ago.... something about all that medieval shiitt wasn't real appetizing...
But... we now have that load of shiitt called the 1619 Project... reparations baby! Ain't it great? You support that... right? After all... conquring a continent with natives living on it makes us multigenerational criminals, right? I mean... we bought Long Island NY for a buck... what a deal that was for somebody... I wonder who.... lol !
The Chinese government doesn't want their country to follow the path of the US and sink into an amoral, materialist monster.

You mean the country that churns out material goods and distributes them all around the world is preaching anti materialism?

Think about how this country devolved into the debauchery that is so prevalent these days... From Miley Cyrus twerking onstage in front of Will Smiths family ( check out that photo of the look of horror on Will's face ) to all the gross examples we have seen for decades keep one thing in mind.... people will do things to satisfy their curiosity and desires when in private... or, should we outlaw that to?
Americans don't see this.
No, we see it... we enjoy it... it serves a purpose... and what is that purpose? The purpose if the pursuit of happiness... isn't the purpose of life to create love and joy through all the various ways it can be accomplished? if its serving others or helping yourself to a better life... its a fair activity for those willing to work for it.
We have everything and we think everyone wants what we have, but they don't necessarily.

Its called free will... you can pick and choose what you want and what you don't want... being concerned about what others think is a fools game anyway... see... you don't like me... and I am good with that because I don't care.
That's why we consistently overestimate our influence.
Hmmm... and yet people from all over the world would move here if they could... perhaps they like what they see from afar... Or, perhaps the so called American Dream is just a myth. No rags to riches examples in this country... right?
The best way to keep from having to learn Mandarin is to form alliances with other countries and indeed continents.
Are the people in Iran being made to learn Mandarin?
So while we let Trump put tantrum tariffs on friend and foe and Americans paid for it,
The tariffs were to serve a temporary objective... and that is to balance the trade deficit between us... yes... its painful at first... China has been getting away with all kinds of unfair trade deals for decades. How does it work when we buy 700 to 800 billion more in goods a year that they buy from us? Something needs balancing.
China is building a strong footing in the next millennium with strategic leads in software development, especially AI.
How about the fact they send their best and brightest to American universities to learn from our academia? They are using our system of education to build the intellectual ability to surpass us. Do you know how many hours a day Chinese children are required to be in school in China? I do...
When we do projects here they are a building or maybe a couple of buildings. They build entire blocks or even entire towns.
yeah... the Chinese build cities and if you notice... some of them are severely under populated. Imagine a city that could support 5 million people and only about 5000 even live there... talk about materialism. I showed pictures of empty cities too a couple of Chinese teachers ( 25 to 35 years old ) that spent a few weeks at our house. They didn't know anything about it... they had never heard or seen any of that before.
Americans think college is a waste of money.

Oh please... American have been attending colleges in large number for decades... and many colleges of higher education have been over charging student for just as long. Then the feds step in and start making money by funding these students... well... here we went again... letting the feds get involved... what could go wrong? serious... its been a big mistake... just wait till you see how student debt gets resolved.
So the sad thing is I think Trump has caused enough commotion that alliances are going to be very difficult to make.
The world needed some shaking up. President Trump was the only guy that could do it... Look at NATO as one example... the other countries enjoying our military support for decades finally got the message they need to start paying for it... what a novel idea... countries paying for what they get... and the US tax payer not having to cover the protection deficit.
As long as he and his supporters are trying to bring the country down who wouldn't side economically with China?

You have it backwards... the leftist want to control this country with an iron fist disguised as a velvet glove... Do you have a copy of "Rules for Radicals"? It is the definitive playbook for the dimtards and rhinos and other leftist that don't really understand what they stand for... they just think we should burn it all down... They think... Capitalism is bad... socialism is the finest example of how to run a country... right?
Well... as Margret Thatcher once said... socialism is a great idea until you run out of others peoples money.

In summary... the world is floating on a sea of fiat currencies... a reset could come anytime now because its unlikely the 25 to 30 trillion of national debt will ever be resolved without a big debt forgiveness moment. The dollar is still king of the currencies... for now... the bankers have plans... who they decide to fund will determine where the power is when its time for a change.
Isolation is silly. I had a Ford dealer I know tell me that globalization started in 1945, how are you going to reverse things now? Raw material sources, parts suppliers, secure/reliable shipping lanes can take decades to develop.
Sometimes isolationism serves a purpose... we isolate the bad guys with restrictions on trade because it is so obvious they will mishandle nuclear arms if given the opportunity. Maybe you like the idea of N Korea and Iran having nuclear stockpiles and the ability to deliver those weapons to our soil... hard to say... I think it's a bad idea myself.
 
Maybe they will bring themselves down through the flawed ways of oppression and slavery when a billion slaves decided they have had enough. Russia's communist style government thought totalitarism was a superior way to govern its people... until it wasn't... 1991

Yes... the beating and killings will continue until moral improves. Does the language of Mandarin even have a word for "liberty". Plenty of Chinese people that want more personal freedom have effectively defected against China... You could call it the anti CCP faction... The CCP could be over thrown as history reminds us... No government is immune from a take over... you only have to understand what happened in this last election to know that.

They CCP only worries about being spied on and revealed because their media is state controlled and only approved propaganda is allowed by the CCP. Dissenters will be silenced as you mentioned... do you approve? Or at least approve of pro Trump people being silenced? Facebook, Twitter, Google and others are happy to suppress free speech anytime it doesn't fit the narrative they prefer...

I mean... who would want the biggest economy in the world to make a comeback after this covid shiitt ends... people going back to work and having the lowest unemployment stats in the world is a bad thing if Trump is at the helm... right?

It doesn't matter what stores peddle Chinese products... when people start voting with their debit / credit cards it doesn't take long for retailers to figure out nobody wants their cheap shiitt anymore.

Of course they love their country... they grew up there... however... they left it all behind... actions speak louder than words... nobody forced them to move here... they chose the USA for personal reasons like not living under an oppressive regime that can threaten their existence at any moment.


Yeah... personal freedom is in vogue... what a novel idea... we jumped out of Europe in increasing numbers about 400 years ago.... something about all that medieval shiitt wasn't real appetizing...
But... we now have that load of shiitt called the 1619 Project... reparations baby! Ain't it great? You support that... right? After all... conquring a continent with natives living on it makes us multigenerational criminals, right? I mean... we bought Long Island NY for a buck... what a deal that was for somebody... I wonder who.... lol !


You mean the country that churns out material goods and distributes them all around the world is preaching anti materialism?

Think about how this country devolved into the debauchery that is so prevalent these days... From Miley Cyrus twerking onstage in front of Will Smiths family ( check out that photo of the look of horror on Will's face ) to all the gross examples we have seen for decades keep one thing in mind.... people will do things to satisfy their curiosity and desires when in private... or, should we outlaw that to?

No, we see it... we enjoy it... it serves a purpose... and what is that purpose? The purpose if the pursuit of happiness... isn't the purpose of life to create love and joy through all the various ways it can be accomplished? if its serving others or helping yourself to a better life... its a fair activity for those willing to work for it.


Its called free will... you can pick and choose what you want and what you don't want... being concerned about what others think is a fools game anyway... see... you don't like me... and I am good with that because I don't care.

Hmmm... and yet people from all over the world would move here if they could... perhaps they like what they see from afar... Or, perhaps the so called American Dream is just a myth. No rags to riches examples in this country... right?

Are the people in Iran being made to learn Mandarin?

The tariffs were to serve a temporary objective... and that is to balance the trade deficit between us... yes... its painful at first... China has been getting away with all kinds of unfair trade deals for decades. How does it work when we buy 700 to 800 billion more in goods a year that they buy from us? Something needs balancing.

How about the fact they send their best and brightest to American universities to learn from our academia? They are using our system of education to build the intellectual ability to surpass us. Do you know how many hours a day Chinese children are required to be in school in China? I do...

yeah... the Chinese build cities and if you notice... some of them are severely under populated. Imagine a city that could support 5 million people and only about 5000 even live there... talk about materialism. I showed pictures of empty cities too a couple of Chinese teachers ( 25 to 35 years old ) that spent a few weeks at our house. They didn't know anything about it... they had never heard or seen any of that before.


Oh please... American have been attending colleges in large number for decades... and many colleges of higher education have been over charging student for just as long. Then the feds step in and start making money by funding these students... well... here we went again... letting the feds get involved... what could go wrong? serious... its been a big mistake... just wait till you see how student debt gets resolved.

The world needed some shaking up. President Trump was the only guy that could do it... Look at NATO as one example... the other countries enjoying our military support for decades finally got the message they need to start paying for it... what a novel idea... countries paying for what they get... and the US tax payer not having to cover the protection deficit.


You have it backwards... the leftist want to control this country with an iron fist disguised as a velvet glove... Do you have a copy of "Rules for Radicals"? It is the definitive playbook for the dimtards and rhinos and other leftist that don't really understand what they stand for... they just think we should burn it all down... They think... Capitalism is bad... socialism is the finest example of how to run a country... right?
Well... as Margret Thatcher once said... socialism is a great idea until you run out of others peoples money.

In summary... the world is floating on a sea of fiat currencies... a reset could come anytime now because its unlikely the 25 to 30 trillion of national debt will ever be resolved without a big debt forgiveness moment. The dollar is still king of the currencies... for now... the bankers have plans... who they decide to fund will determine where the power is when its time for a change.

Sometimes isolationism serves a purpose... we isolate the bad guys with restrictions on trade because it is so obvious they will mishandle nuclear arms if given the opportunity. Maybe you like the idea of N Korea and Iran having nuclear stockpiles and the ability to deliver those weapons to our soil... hard to say... I think it's a bad idea myself.
Where do you buy your keyboards?

Hope it's not China as you will wear them out typing all this...you've obviously put a lot of thought into what you are typing which is a good thing.

....and you are still sounding like you are very much a pro-Trumper....

He is not the "messiah" of all things-you know that right?

As for NATO costs, that was guilt for dragging all the NATO partners into conflicts started by the US (Iraq, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, Bosnia, Kosovo, etc....)....the US government has it's fingers into countless nations around the world both covertly and overtly...and demands other NATO nations to support these ventures.
 
LOL zrxmax, once you manage to move on from conspiracy theories you actually can make sense.

That sure was a long post.

Must say, I can’t side with the folks who are willing to sit passively, doing nothing and believing all we can do is watch, while China becomes the dominant force of the globe, turning soil into Socialism.
 
Where do you buy your keyboards?
We have a new Mac... its a quality keyboard... lol !
Hope it's not China as you will wear them out typing all this...you've obviously put a lot of thought into what you are typing which is a good thing.
I am simply combining my real life experiences along with my world views... as out of order as they may seem... the real truth is we are under attack from China... China wants to rule over us... recently they hacked and down loaded 21 million high security documents. What was in them? All the personal information of government workers that filled out to get security clearances... imagine answering a 100 pages worth of questions about your personal life... everything bad you have ever done or admitted to is inside that data that was hacked.... now... do you think the CCP can blackmail members of Congress and the Senate?
....and you are still sounding like you are very much a pro-Trumper....
No... its about preserving our country and what it stands for.... China is focused on taking us down without firing a shot... president Trump just happens to be in charge right now... the next few days will tell the story of where America goes... if the election fraud is allowed to stand... we will suffer and might never recover from the breach of trust that better that at least 100 million Americans believed happened in November.
He is not the "messiah" of all things-you know that right?
Their is no messiah... are you suffering from TDS? men are mortal creatures... I don't know of any messiahs other than the one that created this Universe... it is an amazing place, isn't it? Where else are you going to find a place like earth? let alone go there and experience it.
As for NATO costs, that was guilt for dragging all the NATO partners into conflicts started by the US (Iraq, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, Bosnia, Kosovo, etc....)....the US government has it's fingers into countless nations around the world both covertly and overtly...and demands other NATO nations to support these ventures.
So.. you think its OK if communist regimes over run neighboring countries like China and Russia have been known to do?
People that are awake and value personal freedom don't want to live under communist rule... why else would people move here and leave their native country?

Here... try a taste of Mr Reagan... plenty to absorb right here...
 
We have a new Mac... its a quality keyboard... lol !

I am simply combining my real life experiences along with my world views... as out of order as they may seem... the real truth is we are under attack from China... China wants to rule over us... recently they hacked and down loaded 21 million high security documents. What was in them? All the personal information of government workers that filled out to get security clearances... imagine answering a 100 pages worth of questions about your personal life... everything bad you have ever done or admitted to is inside that data that was hacked.... now... do you think the CCP can blackmail members of Congress and the Senate?

No... its about preserving our country and what it stands for.... China is focused on taking us down without firing a shot... president Trump just happens to be in charge right now... the next few days will tell the story of where America goes... if the election fraud is allowed to stand... we will suffer and might never recover from the breach of trust that better that at least 100 million Americans believed happened in November.

Their is no messiah... are you suffering from TDS? men are mortal creatures... I don't know of any messiahs other than the one that created this Universe... it is an amazing place, isn't it? Where else are you going to find a place like earth? let alone go there and experience it.

So.. you think its OK if communist regimes over run neighboring countries like China and Russia have been known to do?
People that are awake and value personal freedom don't want to live under communist rule... why else would people move here and leave their native country?

Here... try a taste of Mr Reagan... plenty to absorb right here...
The way people are flocking to Trump and believing he can do no wrong makes me think they are following him in some sort of 'messiah complex' especially since the only reason he could have lost an election is to election fraud, right?

Hopefully the next administration will do their best as that is all one can ask.

Most of the countries mentioned are not communist but are under fascist or dictator regimes. During most conflicts, the US, China and Russia have all had a hand in arming rebels or opposition within a failed or troubled state... (for instance the US supplied the Mujahideen in Afghanistan against the Russians, the Chinese and Russians supplied the NVA in Viet Nam and Chinese supplied the North Koreans).

It's a wonder any western country does any business with the Chinese after they had a major hand in causing so much death to US and allied troops during 2 conflicts. China is NOT our friend or ally and have proven this time and time again.
 
The way people are flocking to Trump and believing he can do no wrong makes me think they are following him in some sort of 'messiah complex' especially since the only reason he could have lost an election is to election fraud, right?

Hopefully the next administration will do their best as that is all one can ask.

Most of the countries mentioned are not communist but are under fascist or dictator regimes. During most conflicts, the US, China and Russia have all had a hand in arming rebels or opposition within a failed or troubled state... (for instance the US supplied the Mujahideen in Afghanistan against the Russians, the Chinese and Russians supplied the NVA in Viet Nam and Chinese supplied the North Koreans).

It's a wonder any western country does any business with the Chinese after they had a major hand in causing so much death to US and allied troops during 2 conflicts. China is NOT our friend or ally and have proven this time and time again.
They say smart people are consistent.

On the one hand you say “China is NOT our friend or ally.”

On the other hand you say Americans are paying the price for the sanctions against China. I think it was you, or was it Arch? The question is if you mean the above, and we try to defer you from buying their sh!t, why do you complain and continue buying?
 
They say smart people are consistent.

On the one hand you say “China is NOT our friend or ally.”

On the other hand you say Americans are paying the price for the sanctions against China. I think it was you, or was it Arch? The question is if you mean the above, and we try to defer you from buying their sh!t, why do you complain and continue buying?
I don't shop at Horrible Frieght anymore...
Sometimes China stuff is hard to avoid... EBay is loaded with crap from China.
 
They say smart people are consistent.

On the one hand you say “China is NOT our friend or ally.”

On the other hand you say Americans are paying the price for the sanctions against China. I think it was you, or was it Arch? The question is if you mean the above, and we try to defer you from buying their sh!t, why do you complain and continue buying?
....so what are you saying I'm not smart?

Actually I've never admitted to being smart (even though I achieved a fairly high military rank)....if I was I wouldn't have spent my entire adult life in a uniform and going to the nasty places I've been.

I'll explain my stand here...China is not our friend however, we (the west) have made it so we can't produce our own products and if we were to produce our own products nobody would buy them as they would cost more and people are inherently cheap.
 
I don't shop at Horrible Frieght anymore...
Sometimes China stuff is hard to avoid... EBay is loaded with crap from China.
Amazon is loaded with Chinese made products as well.

I'd say it would be easier to go into any store today and find the products NOT made in China however Taiwan and other countries are starting to step up to the plate more and more.
 
The way people are flocking to Trump and believing he can do no wrong makes me think they are following him in some sort of 'messiah complex' especially since the only reason he could have lost an election is to election fraud, right?

Hopefully the next administration will do their best as that is all one can ask.

Most of the countries mentioned are not communist but are under fascist or dictator regimes. During most conflicts, the US, China and Russia have all had a hand in arming rebels or opposition within a failed or troubled state... (for instance the US supplied the Mujahideen in Afghanistan against the Russians, the Chinese and Russians supplied the NVA in Viet Nam and Chinese supplied the North Koreans).

It's a wonder any western country does any business with the Chinese after they had a major hand in causing so much death to US and allied troops during 2 conflicts. China is NOT our friend or ally and have proven this time and time again.
Its not that he does no wrong... everybody does things wrong in somebodies else's opinion... especially in politics ...

Its that he directs and governs in ways that many Americans agree with... If other presidents had aligned themselves with the rights and liberties that patriotic Americans support and want preserved then the polling would indicate they are gaining in those polls.

Go back to 9-11 and the oxymoronic Patriot Act... that gave the feds unwarranted power to spy on Americans and created a pathway for all kinds of 4th A violations.

Do you think president Trump supports the bulk of the Patriot Act? Do you think the TSA is a good thing for this country? These are simple examples of what happens when the feds have rules in place that make exploiting our freedoms easier to do.
 
Its not that he does no wrong... everybody does things wrong in somebodies else's opinion... especially in politics ...

Its that he directs and governs in ways that many Americans agree with... If other presidents had aligned themselves with the rights and liberties that patriotic Americans support and want preserved then the polling would indicate they are gaining in those polls.

Go back to 9-11 and the oxymoronic Patriot Act... that gave the feds unwarranted power to spy on Americans and created a pathway for all kinds of 4th A violations.

Do you think president Trump supports the bulk of the Patriot Act? Do you think the TSA is a good thing for this country? These are simple examples of what happens when the feds have rules in place that make exploiting our freedoms easier to do.
I have met many politicians (Presidents, Prime Ministers, etc), as well as a few major CEOs (General Electric, Suncor, United Way to name a couple) and I'll say this, there are very few of them I'd say are decent human beings.

Die hard politicians and major CEOS have a lot in common however many major company CEOs operate in an almost dictator-like environment where they are constantly in-fighting with the Boards of Directors...this is where Trump operates. He operates in this environment and you just can't do that as the leader of a diverse country such as the US. There are just too many different personalities to appease a specific demographic, you have to walk a fine line between them all.

Much like our different political parties here in Canada, I really believe the biggest difference between them all is who is leading them. I don't think our country really does any differently regardless of what party is in power at the time.
 
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