Don't take this the wrong way, but that is the most rediculas thing I have ever read. Apples to oranges? We're talking about straight line performance here.Here I go again with my input. I get so enraged when people start comparing the Busa and ZX10. Oh yes, the ZX10 is one bad mutha... shut yo' mouf!And I won't take nothing from it as well as the R1, the Gixx 1000, or the CBR 1000. Fact is... why do we compare apples and oranges like this. The difference in weight is entirely too exteme to even compare. You're comparing two bikes with approx. 150 lbs of weight difference. Make that weight difference a little more comparable and it won't even be a competition. I don't pay attention to this crap unless you're comparing bikes that are more evenly matched all the way around. Point is... doesn't Nascar have a weight spec for its cars (not a rhetorical question)?
You have to level the playing field to make this sort of competition really mean something. Since weight has a lot to do with performance, then why is it relevant to comparing a Busa and ZX10? I mean, come on guys/gals, its almost like comparing the Busa to the Tomahawk (ya'll know the V10 super bike with Viper engine in it...). If you're not talking about Busa vs ZX12 or Blackbird, then in my eyes it's not even relevant. It's only for bragging rights to be able to say that my ZX10 beat your Busa (reality check here guys...). I give much respect to any of the litre bikes, but I'm not going to be done in by numbers that compare these two. Trim 50 to 70 lbs off the Busa, and the Busa will hand ALL bikes their asses in a grocery bag. O.K. let's say they trim 50lbs off the Busa. What will Kawi do to the ZX10 to improve it's performance without any engine changes?
They can't afford to trim any more weight off the ZX10 and keep it safe. The motors on the liter bikes are a far cry from competing with the motor on a Busa. (i.e. take a ZX10 motor and put it on a Busa and vice versa...). It would be interesting to see what kind of numbers a ZX10 would put up with a Busa motor. The motor would definitely add weight to the ZX10, but I'm willing to bet my paycheck that the added weight to performance ratio would be in favor of the ZX10 being called a true "SUPERBIKE." Now flip the script and put a ZX10 motor on a Busa and just the opposite would happen. I mean it's basically a common sense issue.
And as my mentor Revlis and some other board members have said... "It has a lot to do with the rider." Case-in-point: I have a rider friend of mine who has a '03 Gixx 1000 that has only a Micron full exhaust, lowered, and stretched about 4". He runs a consistent 9.4 sec. in the quarter. No bullshit guys, I've been to the track with him on several occassions and he has handed guys their asses. Also consider the fact that he weighs only about 150 lbs soaking wet.I have another buddy who has a ZX12 that is bored and sprayed, and he always wants to run me on my Busa. Albeit I've only got full exhaust, PCIIIr, TRE, and lowered, he still talks smack simply because it's Kaw vs Zuk. Funny thing is that his next project bike is a turbo Busa... go figure.Anyway, I've said all this poop to simply say... "Whenever Suzuki decides to get on the playing field with some slight improvements to the Busa, don't get your undies in a bunch behind all this nonsense."
My name is Brian Charles, and I approve this message.
Evidently you only READ and didn't quite UNDERSTAND what I was trying to say. It's my opinion and mine only, but regardless, people still get their feathers ruffled with this competition.Don't take this the wrong way, but that is the most rediculas thing I have ever read. Apples to oranges? We're talking about straight line performance here.Here I go again with my input. I get so enraged when people start comparing the Busa and ZX10. Oh yes, the ZX10 is one bad mutha... shut yo' mouf!And I won't take nothing from it as well as the R1, the Gixx 1000, or the CBR 1000. Fact is... why do we compare apples and oranges like this. The difference in weight is entirely too exteme to even compare. You're comparing two bikes with approx. 150 lbs of weight difference. Make that weight difference a little more comparable and it won't even be a competition. I don't pay attention to this crap unless you're comparing bikes that are more evenly matched all the way around. Point is... doesn't Nascar have a weight spec for its cars (not a rhetorical question)?
You have to level the playing field to make this sort of competition really mean something. Since weight has a lot to do with performance, then why is it relevant to comparing a Busa and ZX10? I mean, come on guys/gals, its almost like comparing the Busa to the Tomahawk (ya'll know the V10 super bike with Viper engine in it...). If you're not talking about Busa vs ZX12 or Blackbird, then in my eyes it's not even relevant. It's only for bragging rights to be able to say that my ZX10 beat your Busa (reality check here guys...). I give much respect to any of the litre bikes, but I'm not going to be done in by numbers that compare these two. Trim 50 to 70 lbs off the Busa, and the Busa will hand ALL bikes their asses in a grocery bag. O.K. let's say they trim 50lbs off the Busa. What will Kawi do to the ZX10 to improve it's performance without any engine changes?
They can't afford to trim any more weight off the ZX10 and keep it safe. The motors on the liter bikes are a far cry from competing with the motor on a Busa. (i.e. take a ZX10 motor and put it on a Busa and vice versa...). It would be interesting to see what kind of numbers a ZX10 would put up with a Busa motor. The motor would definitely add weight to the ZX10, but I'm willing to bet my paycheck that the added weight to performance ratio would be in favor of the ZX10 being called a true "SUPERBIKE." Now flip the script and put a ZX10 motor on a Busa and just the opposite would happen. I mean it's basically a common sense issue.
And as my mentor Revlis and some other board members have said... "It has a lot to do with the rider." Case-in-point: I have a rider friend of mine who has a '03 Gixx 1000 that has only a Micron full exhaust, lowered, and stretched about 4". He runs a consistent 9.4 sec. in the quarter. No bullshit guys, I've been to the track with him on several occassions and he has handed guys their asses. Also consider the fact that he weighs only about 150 lbs soaking wet.I have another buddy who has a ZX12 that is bored and sprayed, and he always wants to run me on my Busa. Albeit I've only got full exhaust, PCIIIr, TRE, and lowered, he still talks smack simply because it's Kaw vs Zuk. Funny thing is that his next project bike is a turbo Busa... go figure.Anyway, I've said all this poop to simply say... "Whenever Suzuki decides to get on the playing field with some slight improvements to the Busa, don't get your undies in a bunch behind all this nonsense."
My name is Brian Charles, and I approve this message.
Man...I'd love to peel your wig on my 2000 Hayabusa. Then I'll let my friends peel your wig on their ZX-10R's.
No...I think I clearly understood the point you were TRYING to make...I just think that it's laughable to try and make that point. I've never heard a weaker point being made in quite some time. Do you really think that the BlackTurd should be compared to the BUSA? I mean the BlackTurd makes some 50rwhp less than the BUSA and weighs more. I hope you don't pat yourself on the back when you beat one, that is if you are beating them.Evidently you only READ and didn't quite UNDERSTAND what I was trying to say. It's my opinion and mine only, but regardless, people still get their feathers ruffled with this competition.Don't take this the wrong way, but that is the most rediculas thing I have ever read. Apples to oranges? We're talking about straight line performance here.Here I go again with my input. I get so enraged when people start comparing the Busa and ZX10. Oh yes, the ZX10 is one bad mutha... shut yo' mouf!And I won't take nothing from it as well as the R1, the Gixx 1000, or the CBR 1000. Fact is... why do we compare apples and oranges like this. The difference in weight is entirely too exteme to even compare. You're comparing two bikes with approx. 150 lbs of weight difference. Make that weight difference a little more comparable and it won't even be a competition. I don't pay attention to this crap unless you're comparing bikes that are more evenly matched all the way around. Point is... doesn't Nascar have a weight spec for its cars (not a rhetorical question)?
You have to level the playing field to make this sort of competition really mean something. Since weight has a lot to do with performance, then why is it relevant to comparing a Busa and ZX10? I mean, come on guys/gals, its almost like comparing the Busa to the Tomahawk (ya'll know the V10 super bike with Viper engine in it...). If you're not talking about Busa vs ZX12 or Blackbird, then in my eyes it's not even relevant. It's only for bragging rights to be able to say that my ZX10 beat your Busa (reality check here guys...). I give much respect to any of the litre bikes, but I'm not going to be done in by numbers that compare these two. Trim 50 to 70 lbs off the Busa, and the Busa will hand ALL bikes their asses in a grocery bag. O.K. let's say they trim 50lbs off the Busa. What will Kawi do to the ZX10 to improve it's performance without any engine changes?
They can't afford to trim any more weight off the ZX10 and keep it safe. The motors on the liter bikes are a far cry from competing with the motor on a Busa. (i.e. take a ZX10 motor and put it on a Busa and vice versa...). It would be interesting to see what kind of numbers a ZX10 would put up with a Busa motor. The motor would definitely add weight to the ZX10, but I'm willing to bet my paycheck that the added weight to performance ratio would be in favor of the ZX10 being called a true "SUPERBIKE." Now flip the script and put a ZX10 motor on a Busa and just the opposite would happen. I mean it's basically a common sense issue.
And as my mentor Revlis and some other board members have said... "It has a lot to do with the rider." Case-in-point: I have a rider friend of mine who has a '03 Gixx 1000 that has only a Micron full exhaust, lowered, and stretched about 4". He runs a consistent 9.4 sec. in the quarter. No bullshit guys, I've been to the track with him on several occassions and he has handed guys their asses. Also consider the fact that he weighs only about 150 lbs soaking wet.I have another buddy who has a ZX12 that is bored and sprayed, and he always wants to run me on my Busa. Albeit I've only got full exhaust, PCIIIr, TRE, and lowered, he still talks smack simply because it's Kaw vs Zuk. Funny thing is that his next project bike is a turbo Busa... go figure.Anyway, I've said all this poop to simply say... "Whenever Suzuki decides to get on the playing field with some slight improvements to the Busa, don't get your undies in a bunch behind all this nonsense."
My name is Brian Charles, and I approve this message.
Man...I'd love to peel your wig on my 2000 Hayabusa. Then I'll let my friends peel your wig on their ZX-10R's.
And as far as peeling my wig... "YOU NEED TO BRING ASS TO KICK SOME ASS!!!"
Brian
I like the BUSA better too, it's just not the dominant bike that it once was and that's a shame. I'm gonna stick with mine for sure cuz I love it, but I'm not silly enough to believe that it's the baddest bike on the planet anymore. It's only one of the baddest.
As it is we seem to have another asswipe that's starting to talk poop. First of all, you are the only one that doesn't respect my comments. They are my opinions and mine alone. As far as the Blackbird, or BlackTurd as you so eloquently put it, that bike isn't a mere push over as you may put it. Sure it won't come close to beating a Busa, but with the right rider (and trust me, I do know a couple), they can make you look at it in a different light. Seems to me that all you are is MOUTH and want to talk cash poop. I never question a person's riding skills or talk down to them, but a poop-talker like you needs more than just a good spankin'. I don't claim to be the baddest rider out there, because I am far from it, but you can best bet that you won't be bumpin' your gums EVER again. I can accept criticism and a disagreement with MY opinion, but when you add trash-talkin' to it at the same time, then...well... your ass needs to be checked. Out of respect for the other board members here, I won't continue this lil' schoolyard brawl with ya, because it's stupid when neither one of us is in a position to back up our words. In my most humble opinion... "You're the baddest MOFO on two wheels...", and let's just leave it at that.No...I think I clearly understood the point you were TRYING to make...I just think that it's laughable to try and make that point. I've never heard a weaker point being made in quite some time. Do you really think that the BlackTurd should be compared to the BUSA? I mean the BlackTurd makes some 50rwhp less than the BUSA and weighs more. I hope you don't pat yourself on the back when you beat one, that is if you are beating them.Evidently you only READ and didn't quite UNDERSTAND what I was trying to say. It's my opinion and mine only, but regardless, people still get their feathers ruffled with this competition.Don't take this the wrong way, but that is the most rediculas thing I have ever read. Apples to oranges? We're talking about straight line performance here.Here I go again with my input. I get so enraged when people start comparing the Busa and ZX10. Oh yes, the ZX10 is one bad mutha... shut yo' mouf!And I won't take nothing from it as well as the R1, the Gixx 1000, or the CBR 1000. Fact is... why do we compare apples and oranges like this. The difference in weight is entirely too exteme to even compare. You're comparing two bikes with approx. 150 lbs of weight difference. Make that weight difference a little more comparable and it won't even be a competition. I don't pay attention to this crap unless you're comparing bikes that are more evenly matched all the way around. Point is... doesn't Nascar have a weight spec for its cars (not a rhetorical question)?
You have to level the playing field to make this sort of competition really mean something. Since weight has a lot to do with performance, then why is it relevant to comparing a Busa and ZX10? I mean, come on guys/gals, its almost like comparing the Busa to the Tomahawk (ya'll know the V10 super bike with Viper engine in it...). If you're not talking about Busa vs ZX12 or Blackbird, then in my eyes it's not even relevant. It's only for bragging rights to be able to say that my ZX10 beat your Busa (reality check here guys...). I give much respect to any of the litre bikes, but I'm not going to be done in by numbers that compare these two. Trim 50 to 70 lbs off the Busa, and the Busa will hand ALL bikes their asses in a grocery bag. O.K. let's say they trim 50lbs off the Busa. What will Kawi do to the ZX10 to improve it's performance without any engine changes?
They can't afford to trim any more weight off the ZX10 and keep it safe. The motors on the liter bikes are a far cry from competing with the motor on a Busa. (i.e. take a ZX10 motor and put it on a Busa and vice versa...). It would be interesting to see what kind of numbers a ZX10 would put up with a Busa motor. The motor would definitely add weight to the ZX10, but I'm willing to bet my paycheck that the added weight to performance ratio would be in favor of the ZX10 being called a true "SUPERBIKE." Now flip the script and put a ZX10 motor on a Busa and just the opposite would happen. I mean it's basically a common sense issue.
And as my mentor Revlis and some other board members have said... "It has a lot to do with the rider." Case-in-point: I have a rider friend of mine who has a '03 Gixx 1000 that has only a Micron full exhaust, lowered, and stretched about 4". He runs a consistent 9.4 sec. in the quarter. No bullshit guys, I've been to the track with him on several occassions and he has handed guys their asses. Also consider the fact that he weighs only about 150 lbs soaking wet.I have another buddy who has a ZX12 that is bored and sprayed, and he always wants to run me on my Busa. Albeit I've only got full exhaust, PCIIIr, TRE, and lowered, he still talks smack simply because it's Kaw vs Zuk. Funny thing is that his next project bike is a turbo Busa... go figure.Anyway, I've said all this poop to simply say... "Whenever Suzuki decides to get on the playing field with some slight improvements to the Busa, don't get your undies in a bunch behind all this nonsense."
My name is Brian Charles, and I approve this message.
Man...I'd love to peel your wig on my 2000 Hayabusa. Then I'll let my friends peel your wig on their ZX-10R's.
And as far as peeling my wig... "YOU NEED TO BRING ASS TO KICK SOME ASS!!!"
Brian
Oh and as for that "bring ass to whoop ass comment"...Trust me when I tell you that we're all bringing a huge can of WHOOP ASS whenever we ride! Matter of fact, I'd bet my bottom dollar that you couldn't see me or any of my friends on our worst days. It's too bad that we're so far away from one another...I'd take great pleasure in peeling your wig.
You don't want no parts of this...NONE!
And if you still don't understand... here is the one comment that let's you know that it's MY opinion and how I feel about the comparison...
I don't claim to be the baddest rider out there either, but I am pretty mutha fuggin bad with a bike between my legs even if I do have to say so myself.As it is we seem to have another asswipe that's starting to talk poop. First of all, you are the only one that doesn't respect my comments. They are my opinions and mine alone. As far as the Blackbird, or BlackTurd as you so eloquently put it, that bike isn't a mere push over as you may put it. Sure it won't come close to beating a Busa, but with the right rider (and trust me, I do know a couple), they can make you look at it in a different light. Seems to me that all you are is MOUTH and want to talk cash poop. I never question a person's riding skills or talk down to them, but a poop-talker like you needs more than just a good spankin'. I don't claim to be the baddest rider out there, because I am far from it, but you can best bet that you won't be bumpin' your gums EVER again. I can accept criticism and a disagreement with MY opinion, but when you add trash-talkin' to it at the same time, then...well... your ass needs to be checked. Out of respect for the other board members here, I won't continue this lil' schoolyard brawl with ya, because it's stupid when neither one of us is in a position to back up our words. In my most humble opinion... "You're the baddest MOFO on two wheels...", and let's just leave it at that.No...I think I clearly understood the point you were TRYING to make...I just think that it's laughable to try and make that point. I've never heard a weaker point being made in quite some time. Do you really think that the BlackTurd should be compared to the BUSA? I mean the BlackTurd makes some 50rwhp less than the BUSA and weighs more. I hope you don't pat yourself on the back when you beat one, that is if you are beating them.Evidently you only READ and didn't quite UNDERSTAND what I was trying to say. It's my opinion and mine only, but regardless, people still get their feathers ruffled with this competition.Don't take this the wrong way, but that is the most rediculas thing I have ever read. Apples to oranges? We're talking about straight line performance here.Here I go again with my input. I get so enraged when people start comparing the Busa and ZX10. Oh yes, the ZX10 is one bad mutha... shut yo' mouf!And I won't take nothing from it as well as the R1, the Gixx 1000, or the CBR 1000. Fact is... why do we compare apples and oranges like this. The difference in weight is entirely too exteme to even compare. You're comparing two bikes with approx. 150 lbs of weight difference. Make that weight difference a little more comparable and it won't even be a competition. I don't pay attention to this crap unless you're comparing bikes that are more evenly matched all the way around. Point is... doesn't Nascar have a weight spec for its cars (not a rhetorical question)?
You have to level the playing field to make this sort of competition really mean something. Since weight has a lot to do with performance, then why is it relevant to comparing a Busa and ZX10? I mean, come on guys/gals, its almost like comparing the Busa to the Tomahawk (ya'll know the V10 super bike with Viper engine in it...). If you're not talking about Busa vs ZX12 or Blackbird, then in my eyes it's not even relevant. It's only for bragging rights to be able to say that my ZX10 beat your Busa (reality check here guys...). I give much respect to any of the litre bikes, but I'm not going to be done in by numbers that compare these two. Trim 50 to 70 lbs off the Busa, and the Busa will hand ALL bikes their asses in a grocery bag. O.K. let's say they trim 50lbs off the Busa. What will Kawi do to the ZX10 to improve it's performance without any engine changes?
They can't afford to trim any more weight off the ZX10 and keep it safe. The motors on the liter bikes are a far cry from competing with the motor on a Busa. (i.e. take a ZX10 motor and put it on a Busa and vice versa...). It would be interesting to see what kind of numbers a ZX10 would put up with a Busa motor. The motor would definitely add weight to the ZX10, but I'm willing to bet my paycheck that the added weight to performance ratio would be in favor of the ZX10 being called a true "SUPERBIKE." Now flip the script and put a ZX10 motor on a Busa and just the opposite would happen. I mean it's basically a common sense issue.
And as my mentor Revlis and some other board members have said... "It has a lot to do with the rider." Case-in-point: I have a rider friend of mine who has a '03 Gixx 1000 that has only a Micron full exhaust, lowered, and stretched about 4". He runs a consistent 9.4 sec. in the quarter. No bullshit guys, I've been to the track with him on several occassions and he has handed guys their asses. Also consider the fact that he weighs only about 150 lbs soaking wet.I have another buddy who has a ZX12 that is bored and sprayed, and he always wants to run me on my Busa. Albeit I've only got full exhaust, PCIIIr, TRE, and lowered, he still talks smack simply because it's Kaw vs Zuk. Funny thing is that his next project bike is a turbo Busa... go figure.Anyway, I've said all this poop to simply say... "Whenever Suzuki decides to get on the playing field with some slight improvements to the Busa, don't get your undies in a bunch behind all this nonsense."
My name is Brian Charles, and I approve this message.
Man...I'd love to peel your wig on my 2000 Hayabusa. Then I'll let my friends peel your wig on their ZX-10R's.
And as far as peeling my wig... "YOU NEED TO BRING ASS TO KICK SOME ASS!!!"
Brian
Oh and as for that "bring ass to whoop ass comment"...Trust me when I tell you that we're all bringing a huge can of WHOOP ASS whenever we ride! Matter of fact, I'd bet my bottom dollar that you couldn't see me or any of my friends on our worst days. It's too bad that we're so far away from one another...I'd take great pleasure in peeling your wig.
You don't want no parts of this...NONE!
WWJD SAID A MOUTHFUL.which in that list can also:
- carry passengers very quickly
- travel the country comfortably
- have a unique look
- not blow up engines or break front tires
- keep tires down at the strip
- hold 180+ with great stability
- not need to be updated for 5 years
- have rocketsled speed AND Cadillac feel
I don't ride by numbers, I ride by feel and until something else can EQUAL or BETTER all that, the Busa is STILL worthy of our praise.
.... but that R1's lookin HOT!
dude dont bother!! have theese posers dont get it! but man they can all spell !!!!!now if they really rode with some skill they would understand!!
I don't think anyone is disaggreeing with any of what you guys have said. In my personal opinion if someone buys a Busa and thinks they can automatically wup anything on the road they're in for a rude awakening. In 99' yeah I'd have to agree that the Busa could handle anything fairly easily even with differences in rider ability. My only comment is I think Suz should be commended (even though I want to strangle them for NO upgrade in 05') for the fact that no bike has ever stood atop for so long and is still considered the bike to beat. That's all I have to say about it, and I plan to add a litre bike to my collection in the future for 2 styles of riding. Peace, be blessed and get ta ridin.
The Busa was made to be the fastest production bike
You're talking about fairly significant changes, perhaps an all-new machine if based on nothing other than a 50 pound weight reduction.But I will give you this, it sure as hell is time for Suzuki to freshen things up... I figure about 15 HP, 20Ftlbs and a loss of about 50 lbs will do just perfect.
