Was this a Racial Slur?

08BusaKY said:

I do not think
the -N- word
needs to be
removed from
historical books
and things . . .

I do not think it should
be used in new music ,
TV shows , and movies
like it is now . . .

It is like there are some
that want to keep it alive .









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I know... Sometimes I bring up the most touchiest subjects. But this latest news article about the obvious racial discrimination and bike profiling in South Carolina is just a reminder. It sucks that in this day and age, people still practice obvious racism. Even worst is when it's segments of...
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busabobh said:
I just read Land O Lakes butter had to take the Native American maiden off it’s packaging. What the hell is wrong with that??? Time for some people to get a grip. Aunt Jemima , Mrs Butterworth, and Betty Crocker are pissed.
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It's only going to get worse once the PC crowd get old enough to effect change...
 
busabobh said:
I just read Land O Lakes butter had to take the Native American maiden off it’s packaging. What the hell is wrong with that??? Time for some people to get a grip. Aunt Jemima , Mrs Butterworth, and Betty Crocker are pissed.
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I read where they changed it but “had to”? Didn’t read that anywhere.
 
Mr Brown said:
Isn't it remarkable that we, as a group which is diverse in location, race, formal education, political ideology, religion, interests (except one), and age can largely figure out acceptable solutions, where our respective leaders utterly fail to do so?
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They fail to do so because they are following an agenda that is already set out, and they must not deviate . . I mean, when things don't seem to add up or make sense to the average guy on the street (you and I) there's usually an element of information that is being with held, would you agree?
 
busabobh said:
I just read Land O Lakes butter had to take the Native American maiden off it’s packaging. What the hell is wrong with that??? Time for some people to get a grip. Aunt Jemima , Mrs Butterworth, and Betty Crocker are pissed.
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Funny how a butter company is forced to change image but Billionaire Dan Snyder STILL owns the Washington REDSKINS and openly refuses to change name or Native American logo.

Only in America a White guy can own a sports team primarily made up of black athletes in which the teams name is a racial slur used to describe Native Americans.......:rolleyes:
 
Kiwi Rider said:
They fail to do so because they are following an agenda that is already set out, and they must not deviate . . I mean, when things don't seem to add up or make sense to the average guy on the street (you and I) there's usually an element of information that is being with held, would you agree?
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No Greg, I don't think they're following an agenda per se.
I think it's about power, and how it is maintained. Racism isn't the problem, it's a symptom of the problem. Racism, along with all the other ways in which people hate each other, is just a way of amplifying our differences into divisions. The status quo of power has become so ingrained into Western culture that we accept differential access to power as if it were the natural order of things; as if not only is it the best way for a society to work, but that it's the only way a society can work.... Once that happens, it's just a matter of determining which groups get the least. _____ people are undeserving of success because they do/don't believe/think/act like they "should".
Think about people you are encouraged to look down on, do differentiate yourself from, to hate. The means of identifying them is fed to you before you can even eat solid food: "Look at those people, they're not like us" or "Those people are responsible for me not getting a job" or "Those people want more than their fair share" or "Can you believe how those people do that?" etc, etc. It doesn't have to be overt or blatant, because it's constant. There are indeed differences between groups of people, always have been and always will be, however the magnification of these differences into divisions, and the idea that these divisions are what defines the groups, that's all a means of maintaining power. We all have far more in common with other groups of people than we do with the tiny percentage of people who hold power. Power isn't political, or economic, or religious. Power is the ability to use the political, economic, and religious realms to get what you want done, done.
I'm sure you're familiar with the quote "The best trick the devil pulled is convincing the world that he doesn't exist" right? Well, the greatest trick the powerful ever pulled off was convincing the world that inequality is the natural order of things.
 
Mr Brown said:
No Greg, I don't think they're following an agenda per se.
I think it's about power, and how it is maintained. Racism isn't the problem, it's a symptom of the problem. Racism, along with all the other ways in which people hate each other, is just a way of amplifying our differences into divisions. The status quo of power has become so ingrained into Western culture that we accept differential access to power as if it were the natural order of things; as if not only is it the best way for a society to work, but that it's the only way a society can work.... Once that happens, it's just a matter of determining which groups get the least. _____ people are undeserving of success because they do/don't believe/think/act like they "should".
Think about people you are encouraged to look down on, do differentiate yourself from, to hate. The means of identifying them is fed to you before you can even eat solid food: "Look at those people, they're not like us" or "Those people are responsible for me not getting a job" or "Those people want more than their fair share" or "Can you believe how those people do that?" etc, etc. It doesn't have to be overt or blatant, because it's constant. There are indeed differences between groups of people, always have been and always will be, however the magnification of these differences into divisions, and the idea that these divisions are what defines the groups, that's all a means of maintaining power. We all have far more in common with other groups of people than we do with the tiny percentage of people who hold power. Power isn't political, or economic, or religious. Power is the ability to use the political, economic, and religious realms to get what you want done, done.
I'm sure you're familiar with the quote "The best trick the devil pulled is convincing the world that he doesn't exist" right? Well, the greatest trick the powerful ever pulled off was convincing the world that inequality is the natural order of things.
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So to summarise, I'm thinking you are meaning the people in power (the ruling elite) have used the age old 'Divide and Conquer' technique.
And as for these people in power, the ruling elite, they do have an agenda set out for the next hundred years or longer, this is how people in control, keep control, by planning the future to suit their ends.
 
Kiwi Rider said:
So to summarise, I'm thinking you are meaning the people in power (the ruling elite) have used the age old 'Divide and Conquer' technique.
And as for these people in power, the ruling elite, they do have an agenda set out for the next hundred years or longer, this is how people in control, keep control, by planning the future to suit their ends.
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Yes to the first part, but I disagree with the second. I don't think there's any laid out agenda. The beauty of the interlocking system is that it works to perpetuate itself. Powerful people work, socialize, worship, live, and reproduce with themselves. Power literally begats power. No blueprint needed at this point.
 
1busa said:
Now with that being said @skydivr...... A black person calling you a cracker doesn’t affect you or ruffle your feathers the way a white person calling a black person the N word does and you know why? Because your ancestors weren’t enslaved, beaten, raped and murdered for hundreds of years with that word being used to describe them as something less than a human being.
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Thanks for making my point. My daddy didn't enslave your daddy. If you are going to dislike me because of something my distant ancestor may have done to your distant ancestor, then how are you ever going to get that chip off your shoulder and stop using it as an excuse? I think that chip is what's holding you back. And it's used by people to create division where in many cases it doesn't exist. It seems to me you think you should get a 'by' because of it? Nope, doesn't work. If you don't want ppl to call you that derogatory word, then stop using it among yourselves.

And, by the way - I'm Scotch-Irish - go back and look at how the Irish were treated in America in the 1800's. Indentured servitude. Do I let that effect how I view life today?

And of course having someone march thru your neighborhood today trying to incite division I don't find acceptable, and I'd stand beside you in saying so. So says the white boy...
 
skydivr said:
My daddy didn't enslave your daddy. If you are going to dislike me because of something my distant ancestor may have done to your distant ancestor, then how are you ever going to get that chip off your shoulder and stop using it as an excuse?
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While not Inaccurate, this statement isn't complete. Agreed, your dad didn't own slaves, however the effects of the institution didn't evaporate in 1865. Even if you ignore that racial discrimination was perfectly legal for another 80+ years after that, it's the institutional racism which prevented blacks from accessing the resources which other groups could which helped perpetuate disadvantage. Black families were denied access to education, employment, loans, housing, etc. simply as a result of race.
So yes, slavery ended a long time ago, but the effects linger.
 
I haven't been shocked by use of the word in decades. It's been used so much it doesn't have the same meaning it had when I was a kid. It's like calling your buddy a MFer or a dumass. It's evident when those words are being used as hate speech and when they are gibes between friends. If friends can speak like that to one another in private they are close friends. I don't use it. Like a lot of other words, it's a bad idea to use it openly in public where someone will be offended regardless of the intent.
 
busabobh said:
I just read Land O Lakes butter had to take the Native American maiden off it’s packaging. What the hell is wrong with that??? Time for some people to get a grip. Aunt Jemima , Mrs Butterworth, and Betty Crocker are pissed.
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I don't see anything negative about the portrayal. It could simply be objection to use of Native Americans as marketing symbols. I could see someone taking issue with Aunt Jemima or Mrs Butterworth because they might iconize black women as house servants or of a lower class. Doing a quick image search, that was the intent of the marketing many years ago and it wasn't so subtle. I'm sure by the time the 70s rolled in, those products had to update their packaging.
 
Mr Brown said:
While not Inaccurate, this statement isn't complete. Agreed, your dad didn't own slaves, however the effects of the institution didn't evaporate in 1865. Even if you ignore that racial discrimination was perfectly legal for another 80+ years after that, it's the institutional racism which prevented blacks from accessing the resources which other groups could which helped perpetuate disadvantage. Black families were denied access to education, employment, loans, housing, etc. simply as a result of race.
So yes, slavery ended a long time ago, but the effects linger.
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I could never get over the "whites only" signs or the segregation which happened after slavery was abolished...

They weren't slaves anymore but they weren't free either.
 
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