Was this a Racial Slur?

[RedBull]

I could never
get over the
“ whites only “
signs or the
segregation
which happened
after slavery was
“Abolished “ . . .

They were not slaves
anymore but they were
NOT FREE either . . .

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My son Trey has a white girlfriend, she went to high school with him, she was afraid to tell her parents about her relationship with him. When she told her dad about Trey he gave her a choice, stop relationship with him or he would cut her off, he actually stopped paying for her college which...

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[Bumblebee]

It doesn't seem to be getting better..

Nashville N.A.A.C.P. Leader Finds Bull’s-Eye in His Yard

 

[1busa]

Thanks for making my point. My daddy didn't enslave your daddy. If you are going to dislike me because of something my distant ancestor may have done to your distant ancestor, then how are you ever going to get that chip off your shoulder and stop using it as an excuse? I think that chip is what's holding you back. And it's used by people to create division where in many cases it doesn't exist. It seems to me you think you should get a 'by' because of it? Nope, doesn't work. If you don't want ppl to call you that derogatory word, then stop using it among yourselves.

And, by the way - I'm Scotch-Irish - go back and look at how the Irish were treated in America in the 1800's. Indentured servitude. Do I let that effect how I view life today?

And of course having someone march thru your neighborhood today trying to incite division I don't find acceptable, and I'd stand beside you in saying so. So says the white boy...

Not gonna go back and forth with you on this @skydivr Evidently my words triggered something within you that you felt the need to respond with the Generalized textbook tone deaf white response.

I’m sorry that you feel I’m the quintessential “angry black man with a chip on his shoulder”.... even though you’ve never met me or actually know my race, history or background.

I’m sorry that you’ve never had to experience racism 1st hand. Maybe if you did you wouldn’t respond with tone deaf naive comments like “We” assuming your referring to us black folk are mysteriously creating all this in our heads. And in fact WE are the 1’s who are clinging on to the racism and creating the problems.

I’m sorry you feel that white people are entitled to call Black People the N word because “they still call each other that”. My My My I’m actually surprised that an educated man such as yourself would make such an ignorant statement.......

Also surprised an educated man doesn’t know the difference between an indentured servant and a slave...... I’ll save you the trouble of googling it

How were indentured servants different from slaves?

Immigrants entered indentured servitude contracts of their own free will, as opposed to slaves, who did not have a choice in the matter. Treatment of indentured servantsdiffered greatly from one master to another.

So your ancestors had no means or money so they agreed under their own free will to work off the debt in exchange for goods, travel, etc. Having regret after signing a bad deal is not slavery. Being discriminated against is not in the same galaxy as being treated as livestock.

BIG difference between that and being sold on the auction block along side cattle. Please tell me when any Europeans that came to America were branded beaten starved enslaved raped and murdered and it was COMPLETELY LEGAL. Any children born were not your own but property of your master ya know On account of Blacks not being actual human beings with a soul. You CANT !!!! Because it never happened.

All though I’ve never met you in person I’m kinda disappointed in you after reading this.

 

[Mythos]

Black dudes love they sport bikes. That's a stereotype but for many it's true and I think it's the most awesome thing in the world!!!

 

[WuzzaCBXRider]

Black dudes love they sport bikes. That's a stereotype but for many it's true and I think it's the most awesome thing in the world!!!

What‘s a stereotype in the first sentence is “they” instead of their.

 

[Mythos]

What‘s a stereotype in the first sentence is “they” instead of their.

Agreed but, I'm not mocking anyone for their possible use of colloquial English. I'm having a little trouble envisioning James Earl Jones pull his helmet off though.

 

[skydivr]

While not Inaccurate, this statement isn't complete. Agreed, your dad didn't own slaves, however the effects of the institution didn't evaporate in 1865. Even if you ignore that racial discrimination was perfectly legal for another 80+ years after that, it's the institutional racism which prevented blacks from accessing the resources which other groups could which helped perpetuate disadvantage. Black families were denied access to education, employment, loans, housing, etc. simply as a result of race.
So yes, slavery ended a long time ago, but the effects linger.

I'll agree with everything you said above, as long as you add the word "were". Because at this very moment, reverse discrimination exists in order to try and make up for it. Many here may be the product of this policy.

 

[skydivr]

It doesn't seem to be getting better..

Nashville N.A.A.C.P. Leader Finds Bull’s-Eye in His Yard

I could tell you about the time the Nashville NAACP tried to strongarm my dad.....and no, I didn't do it.

 

[skydivr]

Not gonna go back and forth with you on this @skydivr Evidently my words triggered something within you that you felt the need to respond with the Generalized textbook tone deaf white response.

I’m sorry that you feel I’m the quintessential “angry black man with a chip on his shoulder”.... even though you’ve never met me or actually know my race, history or background.

I’m sorry that you’ve never had to experience racism 1st hand. Maybe if you did you wouldn’t respond with tone deaf naive comments like “We” assuming your referring to us black folk are mysteriously creating all this in our heads. And in fact WE are the 1’s who are clinging on to the racism and creating the problems.

I’m sorry you feel that white people are entitled to call Black People the N word because “they still call each other that”. My My My I’m actually surprised that an educated man such as yourself would make such an ignorant statement.......

Also surprised an educated man doesn’t know the difference between an indentured servant and a slave...... I’ll save you the trouble of googling it

How were indentured servants different from slaves?

Immigrants entered indentured servitude contracts of their own free will, as opposed to slaves, who did not have a choice in the matter. Treatment of indentured servantsdiffered greatly from one master to another.

So your ancestors had no means or money so they agreed under their own free will to work off the debt in exchange for goods, travel, etc. Having regret after signing a bad deal is not slavery. Being discriminated against is not in the same galaxy as being treated as livestock.

BIG difference between that and being sold on the auction block along side cattle. Please tell me when any Europeans that came to America were branded beaten starved enslaved raped and murdered and it was COMPLETELY LEGAL. Any children born were not your own but property of your master ya know On account of Blacks not being actual human beings with a soul. You CANT !!!! Because it never happened.

All though I’ve never met you in person I’m kinda disappointed in you after reading this.

First off, don't put words in my mouth quoting crap I didnt say; I didn't say "angry black man" because I haven't sensed any anger in you post.

Second, where did I ever say that white ppl are entitled to use that word because black ppl do, when I'm arguing that NOBODY should be using the word. If you (plural, not personal) don't have any respect for yourselves, why would you demand anyone else did?

Lastly, AGAIN, none of this happened to YOU. I'm certainly not tone deaf, but it seems today that being labeled a 'racist' is sometimes nothing more than a means to cower someone. I stand by what I DID ACTUALLY say, summarized below:

- Your ancestors got a raw deal (Yes, a huge understatement).
- for the last 50 years, the government has granted a lot of preference to try and make up for it.
- Most white people of character don't use that word because it's derogatory
- If black people want respect, then they shouldn't use it either.

 

[Mr Brown]

I'll agree with everything you said above, as long as you add the word "were". Because at this very moment, reverse discrimination exists in order to try and make up for it. Many here may be the product of this policy.

Reverse discrimination is a funny term, often used disparagingly by those on the right to refer to affirmative action policies with which they don't agree. However, it's very use implies acknowledgement of previous discrimination, and the need to set things right.
So, tell me, do you think that the 60 or so years of these policies, policies which have been vigorously fought against in just about every way, have been enough to return things to a state of equilibrium given the 400 years of discrimination prior? I don't. And I think that if you were on the short end of that exchange you wouldn't either.
So yes, I used the past tense in reference to the legal type of discrimination, but it continues today in extra-legal forms. For example, did you know that a white man with a felony conviction are twice as likely to get a callback for a job interview than a black man with a clean record? I think there a clear indication that work remains to be done, that racial discrimination is still alive and well.
It really doesn't matter whether you agree or not, your agreement is not needed to establish that racism still affects the US in many different ways. One could take the fact that racial discrimination is no longer the law of the land as progress I suppose, but I have a hard time feeling gratitude for work towards fixing something which should never have occurred to begin with, something that's existence is denied by many people (of which you are one), and which literally costs the lives and freedom of Americans. Every. Damn. Day.

 

[Mr Brown]

I could tell you about the time the Nashville NAACP tried to strongarm my dad.....and no, I didn't do it.

As a white man you're not going to win a contest of which race has suffered greater indignities and violence in this country as a whole, the South in general, or Tennessee specifically. To try and make that analogy is insulting.
The last recorded lynching in your great state was in 1940. The victim was black. His name was Elbert Williams. His crime? Trying to register to vote, and start a branch of the NAACP.

 

[Bumblebee]

Watched an interesting documentary on the US civil war where an African American regt went up against a Confederate regt in the battle for Nashville.

The union army threw everything they had at the confederates and had a black unit in reserve, they decided to throw that unit in the order of battle and the confederates waited until the unit got close to make every shot count-while they were doing that they were taunting and jeering the black unit by reminding them they were nothing but slaves and would be soon again once the confederates won.

Apparently this only proved to strengthen the resolve of the black unit who rallied and broke through the confederate line taking 4500 prisoners and killing or wounding around 3000.

The black soldiers were fighting for their country and freedom...not because they were black-because they were proud Americans.

Just an interesting fact about the liberation of Nashville....

 

[Mythos]

did you know that a white man with a felony conviction are twice as likely to get a callback for a job interview than a black man with a clean record?

Having a clean record is a given for any job a person would actually want to support him or herself on. If a white guy with a felony on his record gets a job over a black guy with a clean record, it's likely that racial discrimination is tied in with biased perceptions about poverty as well. Not that it's an ok thing to discriminate against blacks because of color if they are also poor but that hiring situation narrows the perspective considerably. It focusses on poor and undereducated black men who are applying for crap jobs they will not be able to support themselves on anyway. The white ex-con won't either even if he gets the job.

I can't see employers turning away two black men in favor of a white ex-con if it's a job that requires some real qualifications. If all three candidates have equal qualifications, one of the African Americans will get that job over the white ex-con, no questions asked. That will probably also be the case for a white guy with a clean record vying for the same job as two black men with equal qualifications and clean records. I have no data to refer to, I just have a hard time believing a lot of companies would not want to have black professionals as employees. Having a staff composed of employees from a wide variety of ethnic backgrounds improves the overall perception of your company.

 

[Mr Brown]

Having a clean record is a given for any job a person would actually want to support him or herself on. If a white guy with a felony on his record gets a job over a black guy with a clean record, it's likely that racial discrimination is tied in with biased perceptions about poverty as well. Not that it's an ok thing to discriminate against blacks because of color if they are also poor but that hiring situation narrows the perspective considerably. It focusses on poor and undereducated black men who are applying for crap jobs they will not be able to support themselves on anyway. The white ex-con won't either even if he gets the job.

I can't see employers turning away two black men in favor of a white ex-con if it's a job that requires some real qualifications. If all three candidates have equal qualifications, one of the African Americans will get that job over the white ex-con, no questions asked. That will probably also be the case for a white guy with a clean record vying for the same job as two black men with equal qualifications and clean records. I have no data to refer to, I just have a hard time believing a lot of companies would not want to have black professionals as employees. Having a staff composed of employees from a wide variety of ethnic backgrounds improves the overall perception of your company.

While there is a higher likelihood of a black person being poor, attributing a reduction in chances at opportunity to race misses the point. You cannot examine poverty without also examining the racial aspect. Even the poorest white person still isn't non-white. They still have that advantage.
I got my facts wrong in my earlier post, in the study I'm referring to it's not twice as likely, it's slightly more likely, (17% of white men with a record got called back as opposed to 14% of black men without) and for that error I apologise. My point is still that race matters in the US. More than anything else.
While it may seem to you that companies hire black candidates over white ones all things being equal, the evidence clearly shows otherwise.

 

[Red05]

Despite laws and political correctness, racism remains a big problem. My white skin lets me go around incognito here in southwest Missouri and I can attest to this. When this country elected a black president in '08, I was enheartened, but the over the top hatred for him from conservatives belied the fact that he was a very moderate democrat; I have no option but to think, in spite of the horrendous partisanship currently in this country, that it was in part because of the color of his skin.
As for hard feelings, centuries of the effects of racism will not simply evaporate because it's not longer considered "appropriate". Hopefully with more time it will.

 

[Mythos]

You cannot examine poverty without also examining the racial aspect. Even the poorest white person still isn't non-white. They still have that advantage.

Agreed, completely ignoring race when race is obviously a factor makes no sense no matter what issue you consider. You look at communities and schools that are entirely or almost entirely all one race, you should assume that race has something to do with what is going on in those places. I think education is a much bigger factor in poverty or affluence though.

While it may seem to you that companies hire black candidates over white ones all things being equal, the evidence clearly shows otherwise.

I did a quick Google search and what I found suggests you are correct. I didn't find any articles to the contrary on the first page. I can't believe it. I mean I believe it but that is preposterous. Why would anyone not want to take one little step toward making race NOT matter when it is right there staring you in the face? I don't think I have a negative impression of a business when I see employees all of one color. I know my impression is immediately positive when I see people with different backgrounds working together. That's not what most people think? That is very peculiar.

 

[Mr Brown]

Agreed, completely ignoring race when race is obviously a factor makes no sense no matter what issue you consider. You look at communities and schools that are entirely or almost entirely all one race, you should assume that race has something to do with what is going on in those places. I think education is a much bigger factor in poverty or affluence though.


I did a quick Google search and what I found suggests you are correct. I didn't find any articles to the contrary on the first page. I can't believe it. I mean I believe it but that is preposterous. Why would anyone not want to take one little step toward making race NOT matter when it is right there staring you in the face? I don't think I have a negative impression of a business when I see employees all of one color. I know my impression is immediately positive when I see people with different backgrounds working together. That's not what most people think? That is very peculiar.

Google "The Mark of a Criminal Record" for more information, or if you're interested I can email you the study. Unfortunately people who think like you and I are not the norm, at least not in this country. That racism isn't peculiar is part of the problem....

 

[Mr Brown]

Despite laws and political correctness, racism remains a big problem. My white skin lets me go around incognito here in southwest Missouri and I can attest to this. When this country elected a black president in '08, I was enheartened, but the over the top hatred for him from conservatives belied the fact that he was a very moderate democrat; I have no option but to think, in spite of the horrendous partisanship currently in this country, that it was in part because of the color of his skin.
As for hard feelings, centuries of the effects of racism will not simply evaporate because it's not longer considered "appropriate". Hopefully with more time it will.

That Obama was hated for his race is well documented, you don't need to go very far at all to find dog-whistle comments, well-worn racist tropes, or overt racialized hatred.

One of the reasons I have chosen this career path is because I feel the need to take the skills and experience I have and put them to work in doing my part to fix it. It has to stop, and I believe that education is the way forward.

 

[Bumblebee]

Heaven help the US when a woman gets elected....the "old boys club" has been able to avoid this for now but it can't do it forever...well maybe....but hopefully not.

Racism, sexism, homophobes all kind of go in the same circles in my opinion.

Years ago I once applied to be a police officer while I was still in the army, I did very well on the testing, scored one of the highest scores ever on the PT test.

I was pulled aside by one of the police testers who told me unofficially that I wouldn't get called because of a couple things, I was male and white and they were looking for the exact opposite. To be honest, I was a little bit bitter then, once I grew up and really looked harder at the situation and realized the police have a huge problem with attracting minority groups and they need them more than they do me.

I carried on with my military career and vowed to make my little world a little more minority friendly. I worked with all walks of life with zero issues. I did notice the lesbians seemed to like to "shock" you with the fact they are lesbians-like they were looking for some sort of negative reaction.

The gay guys were very quiet about this fact-I gave one heck because he gave me a Christmas card that didn't have his partner's name in it, I only noticed because he gave someone else a card which had his and his partner's name in it. When I asked him, he thought I might be offended, I said "do you love and respect this person" where he replied he did. I told him to show it then as it don't matter one bit what I or anyone else thinks. His partner actually called me to thank me-it was kind of humbling.

 

[Bumblebee]

...this is a sad happening in the 21st century...

Black man with N.Y. plates in Vermont told 'to leave' state; police investigating