this has now become another waisted nitrous thread. Eventualy I'll learn not to comment on any of the nitrous threads that are created. Sorry, it was my own fault. 
What a Wet Shot looks like.
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kingofdacoast
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Well I offered to walk you through this but for some reason you want me to run the short answer and there isn't one. Once I get home with my build notes I will take your engine setup and show you exactly what it takes in on any given cycle. Would you like to know? I really don't mind showing.
Don't get bent out of shape. I'm not here to test your knowledge, just trying to add to it.
The short answer would be for you to say how you measured the actual VE of you engine to determine it's at 90 whatever percent as you stated. There is no long answer to the question.
Your books at home can't tell you or me what the actual volumetric efficiency is for my engine combination. btw, you haven't added any knowledge on anything for me.
Your books at home can't tell you or me what the actual volumetric efficiency is for my engine combination. btw, you haven't added any knowledge on anything for me.
ToXSicK RoCKeT
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Come on Bro, dont go anywhere.....its like being on Jeopardy, I'll take clutch's for 500 Alex
ToXSicK RoCKeT
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NO NO NO......see there you go AGAIN, trying to spin, you asked whats the difference in using a spraybar vr's fogging the air box....i answered "to ensure a more even load on rotating assembly"
Then you asked how much could a cyl hold....i answered "it depends on a lot of different variables"! NOW WHO'S DANCING?
Draco1340
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I gave up racing sports cars in the 80s because there wasn't quite enough SMACK. This is why I love this sport. Its all talk till the slips are handed out. Then someone looks like ass. Nothing better
You ever see a clipper race. If 2 guys talk smack, they race but the loser gets his head shaved bald in front of the crowd by the winners girlfriend.
You ever see a clipper race. If 2 guys talk smack, they race but the loser gets his head shaved bald in front of the crowd by the winners girlfriend.
kingofdacoast
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So to ensure a more even load on rotating assymbly you add nitrous to all 4 cylinders evenly, correct? Is that what your saying?
kingofdacoast
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So how would you get the actual VE of your engine then? Maybe you can help me learn something. I'm not being sarcastic either. Would you care to share?
ToXSicK RoCKeT
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What im saying is that a "spraybar" puts a more even load on the engine compared to "fogging" the air box, and WILL make more HP in doing so!
why is this so hard for you too understand? how come on wet kits they install a nozzle per cyl(direct port)? Why don't they just put one(or two)nozzles in the front of the air box and let the air charge take it in? ???
kingofdacoast
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Lets stay focused on what we're discussing before jumping on wet kits. I will tell you why later but what I'm trying to get you to confirm is what your saying. So why wouldn't I get a even distrubution of nitrous if I fog the airbox?
I've only asked you two very basic questions. Both of my questions were directly related to statements that you made within this thread. Neither question that I've asked have been answered by you. Instead you simply ask different questions.
Again to answer another question that you have:
The volumetric efficiency is the actual volumetric flow rate divided by the theoretical volumetric flow rate multiplied by one hundred.
To determine the actual flow rate multiply the mass flow rate (MFK) by the density of the intake air (d2) at that specific mass flow rate. This gives you the actual volumetric flow rate of your engine.
To determine the mass flow rate is where you need a sensor to actualy give you a measurement. This is what I wanted to know from you is what you used.
Given a mass flow rate for air, you must have the density of the air to find the volumetric flow rate. Density is proportional to the temperature and can be calculated for any temperature. The density of air at 32 °F and 1 atmosphere is 0.0808 lb/ft3. (I had to look this up because I didn't remember this off the top of my head). Knowing the density of air at a given temperature, you can use a ratio determine the density for the incoming air temperature.
You already know how to calculate the theoretical air flow in cubic feet per minute (cfm) so I wont include that here.
Again to answer another question that you have:
The volumetric efficiency is the actual volumetric flow rate divided by the theoretical volumetric flow rate multiplied by one hundred.
To determine the actual flow rate multiply the mass flow rate (MFK) by the density of the intake air (d2) at that specific mass flow rate. This gives you the actual volumetric flow rate of your engine.
To determine the mass flow rate is where you need a sensor to actualy give you a measurement. This is what I wanted to know from you is what you used.
Given a mass flow rate for air, you must have the density of the air to find the volumetric flow rate. Density is proportional to the temperature and can be calculated for any temperature. The density of air at 32 °F and 1 atmosphere is 0.0808 lb/ft3. (I had to look this up because I didn't remember this off the top of my head). Knowing the density of air at a given temperature, you can use a ratio determine the density for the incoming air temperature.
You already know how to calculate the theoretical air flow in cubic feet per minute (cfm) so I wont include that here.
kingofdacoast
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That is true. If I have a theoretical VE of 296cfm, how can I get the actual cfm that the motor has?
to refresh you on my two simple questions:
1. "What method are you using to determine your ACTUAL V.E. of 96% for your engine?" (I asked this question because I was curious as to how exactly you determined your bike has a 96% VE).
2. "btw, "tell me if I have a cfm of 296 @ 100%VE what would decrease that number to 90%?" was my answer to this incorrect? " (I asked this question to only verify if I answered your question correctly).
I'm sure your next response will again only be something unrelated or another question so my expectations for an appropriate response are at an all time low.
1. "What method are you using to determine your ACTUAL V.E. of 96% for your engine?" (I asked this question because I was curious as to how exactly you determined your bike has a 96% VE).
2. "btw, "tell me if I have a cfm of 296 @ 100%VE what would decrease that number to 90%?" was my answer to this incorrect? " (I asked this question to only verify if I answered your question correctly).
I'm sure your next response will again only be something unrelated or another question so my expectations for an appropriate response are at an all time low.
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re-read my post. Your answer is in my response. "To determine the mass flow rate is where you need a sensor to actualy give you a measurement". The sensor I would assume would be a mass air flow (MAF) sensor. That's why I posed the question to you in the first place. I wanted to know how you did it so that I wouldn't base things off of an assumtion.
kingofdacoast
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Your right a sensor would give you that mearsurement. Since bikes don't have a maf sensor what other sensor would give you the same information? Can a outside device be used to measure this?
I keep answering your questions and you've yet to answer either of my 2 very basic questions.
If you would answer my first question you would have the answer to your most recent question. Since you already stated your VE is 96% you must have figured out a way to determine your mass flow rate. Right?
If you would answer my first question you would have the answer to your most recent question. Since you already stated your VE is 96% you must have figured out a way to determine your mass flow rate. Right?
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kingofdacoast
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That is correct.
kingofdacoast
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There is two ways to teach. The direct method and the leading method. I want you to keep leading me.
