What's up with this?

[Relsek]

Kevin,

It has something to do with federal statutes that apply to waterways and that sort of thing.  Since the Mississippi River is a National Waterway and is used to float goods to port from multiple countries, it's a federal expense, basically the same way interstate highways are.  

I'm not sure exactly how Lake Ponchartrain works into that classification as well, but hey, there you go.  Your tax dollars at work.

okay

 

[diesel]

Once again I'm not condoning stealing but under the circumstances in LA is, they only thing I would be concerned about is my family and friend and food and water.



Believe this champ, everyone who had the oppurtunity to steal for survial did so. Unfortunately the media only coverd the looting and friction that was going on in the city and not the surrounding counties which are majority consisted of white americans.
Personally I felt this type of media covering should have been avoided and more focuses placed on the aftemath and support the people of LA. needs, point period, blank. Rather than stirring up confict between the races like the media always seem to do.



I feel sorry for everyone down there black, white, hispanic etc. pray for them too .

Dude, don't even try to turn this into a racial thing. I am so sick of it. You think the media should have avoided covering the looting!? Are you for real?
They covered what was going on in the city because that's where all this crap was centered...not because they are trying to protect whites and exploit blacks. Give me a break!

All the media is doing is pointing a camera-sorry man, put your blame somewhere else.

As far as looting-kill those digusting bastards.Black or white. They deserve to die.You live in NO, know 3 days prior there's a cat 5 coming and not only stay but don't stash food and water??
Quit sitting on your ass and griping about everything-go on down there and get your hands dirty and help out or shut up about it.

 

[MACH5]

Is it at all possible that so little money was able to go to the levy project becasue so much has had to be sent to support the war in Iraq and Afghanistan.

 

[Charlesbusa]

Is it at all possible that so little money was able to go to the levy project becasue so much  has had to be sent to support the war in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Money for the levees has been an issue for YEARS if not DECADES.  Blaming Bush as the sole reason levees weren't strong enough is ridiculous!!

What about Clinton, Bush senior, and the rest before them...

What about the state, LA.  They have tons of gambling, they could have contributed.  The city could have taken care of itself thru some creative funding.

Bottom line, if I lived in a city below sea level and surrounded by water, you better believe I'd work my hardest to ENSURE proper levees are in place or I'd move out.



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[Con5179]

Thats CRAP

 

[diesel]

The levee's weren't strong enough? What about the hotels, casino's, oil rigs, etc. that were destroyed. They were built just fine....we had a cat 4-5 blow thru, remember? If it's man-made, it's going to break eventually no matter what. Period.

Bottom line-if the people left when they were told to ahead of time they would be fine. A lot of them couldn't-yeah yeah yeah....You don't have a shiny new vehicle? Get off your ass and walk! That's right, walk. I'm with Kevin, most people there are so used to getting everything handed to them that they just expect it.

 

[Rhythm]

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Quote (Rhythm @ Sep. 02 2005,17:27)
Once again I'm not condoning stealing but under the circumstances in LA is, they only thing I would be concerned about is my family and friend and food and water.



Believe this champ, everyone who had the oppurtunity to steal for survial did so.  Unfortunately the media only coverd the looting and friction that was going on in the city and not the surrounding counties which are majority consisted of white americans.
Personally I felt this type of media covering should have been avoided and more focuses placed on the aftemath and support the people of LA. needs, point period, blank.  Rather than stirring up confict between the races like the media always seem to do.



I feel sorry for everyone down there black, white, hispanic etc. pray for them too .

 
They covered what was going on in the city because that's where all this crap was centered...not because they are trying to protect whites and exploit blacks. Give me a break!    All the media is doing is pointing a camera-sorry man, put your blame somewhere else.

As far as looting-kill those digusting bastards.Black or white. They deserve to die.You live in NO, know 3 days prior there's a cat 5 coming and not only stay but don't stash food and water??  
Quit sitting on your ass and griping about everything-go on down there and get your hands dirty and help out or shut up about it.  [/QUOTE]

Dude, don't even try to turn this into a racial thing.[/QUOTE]

I call it like I see it !!!!!


You think the media should have avoided covering the looting!? Are you for real?[/QUOTE]


Damn straight ! Do you actually believe this was the only natural disaster where people have looted for survival or personal gain ?  I feel the media once again saw an oppurtunity to keep friction among us all which delayed valuable time for immediate support to the people of NO. because  we, primarily whites were being brain washed with  with fear constantly in the beginning .  I'm not saying that Black American weren't upset or fearfull but we pretty much  understood what the media was trying to do and who it was targeting (White Americans), and it worked, for some !

Dont get me wrong, I wouldn't want a rescue team paddleing or walking into an hostile enviorment undergoing fire, but like I said earlier this isnt the first time this type of kaos has happen in a natural diaster area. But this would be my first time for me seeing this type of media coverage with looting after a major disaster just being drilled over and over again.

From a black american perspective when comparing to how in the past our govt has responded to a large group of non black amercians or countries.  I can strongly say that I am pissed off because of the delayed reaction time it took our govt to react to the Katrina disaster and when it did initally, it was with little support while being heavily armed, which the media made sure to show.

From what I have read and we all can agree on, is being upset with the nonsense looting and  shooting on rescue teams and police that are trying to help.  While on the other hand some here just cant seem to grasp who tried turning the Katrina disaster into Race issue.

Quit sitting on your ass and griping about everything-go on down there and get your hands dirty and help out or shut up about it.  [/QUOTE]


Now your stepping on your own toes and this is were you need to shut the fug up.  !!!!!!!!

I have never disrespected you (diesel) or anyone here, so dont make me go medevil on your ass over some dumb $hit you havent a clue too.

Ty



Just because we are debating on the board doesn't mean that we aren't contributing to the rescue and clean-up effort.

None of us want to see this happen again...[/QUOTE]

Well said from a distant, CharlesBusa.

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[CouchRocket]

And didn't even have the resorces to leave if they wanted to.

That's crap.  I don't care how poor I am, if a life threating storm is coming you better believe I'd be outta there.

The sick, old, young, and those who care for them.  I can understand why they can't leave.  But just because they're poor, no way.

They were all betting on the hurricane missing them, bottom line.

AMEN CHARLES!!!!....I said the SAME thing. If you REALLY want to go somewhere you dont need any money. People go from one coast to the other all day long without two dimes to rub together. I know its harsh thinking but the lot of those people were living off the government in the first place and they are pissed off because they dont have a means of fendin fer themselves.

 

[bacharles]

Si-Lo is that a credible site? If so then either some one  followed them around and caught them in the act ( which I doubt )or the web site is profiling.

I saw the exact same pictures on Bill Mahrer the other night. Those are Associated Press photos. How's that for blatant racism?

 

[bacharles]

The levee's weren't strong enough? What about the hotels, casino's, oil rigs, etc. that were destroyed. They were built just fine....we had a cat 4-5 blow thru, remember? If it's man-made, it's going to break eventually no matter what. Period.

Bottom line-if the people left when they were told to ahead of time they would be fine. A lot of them couldn't-yeah yeah yeah....You don't have a shiny new vehicle? Get off your ass and walk! That's right, walk.  I'm with Kevin, most people there are so used to getting everything handed to them that they just expect it.

Now that was a fairly fugged up statement you made diesel. Do any of you people know what the term "poverty" means?

A very large number of people in New Orleans live in poverty, so I'm sure some of the attitudes are that they are scared and want to hold on to what little they do have. A lot of those people rely on some sort of faith that will hopefully save them. And diesel, please answer this question... "What is ever handed to people who live in poverty?" Just remember, we've got billions of dollars going over to rebuilding a country while at the same time we take money from effort that helps lighten the load of catastrophic events such as Katrina. Keep in mind that New Orleans was fugged up like this before Katrina, and all our government did was take money away from the effort that helped protect the city.

 

[bacharles]

I still say that the burden of responsibility lies with the city's government.

They SHOULD have had a better plan in place for a flooding such as this.

They SHOULD have made the dikes stonger.....could they have been made strong enough?  Who knows..  But if it was common knowlege that they could not withstand a cat 5 storm....wouldn't you think that it should have been a priority long ago?

I know, I know....armchair quarterback.....

The levy and flood control system are actually all under federal control, (the Southeast Louisiana Flood Control Project, referred to as SELA) and administered by the Army Corps of Engineers.

The problem is SELA's budgets have been slashed by phenomenal amounts over the past three or four budgets, a sort of robbing Peter to pay Paul scenario.  (This is not the first time it's happened, and has in fact budgetary issues with SELA have gone back at least to the Reagan presidency, possibly before... I didn't research THAT far back) Essentially this past year's budget awarded did little more than allow salaries to be paid, even though the money requested was earmarked specifically to go to trying to complete the SELA project, strengthening the levies to Cat4 - Cat5 preparedness, amongst other projects.  Unfortunately with the amounts of cash actually budgeted in, the Corps of Engineers in the New Orleans district had to put a hiring freeze in place, and could do little more than maintain its current state, as lacking as it has proven to be.

Breaking it down by year over the past six FY budgets (I couldn't find any info on 2006FY except for Bush's request) it reads like this:

2004:

Army Corps request: $11 million
Bush request: $3 million
Approved by Congress: $5.5 million

2005:

Army Corps request: $22.5 million
Bush request: $3.9 million
Approved by Congress: $5.7 million

2006:

Bush request: $2.9 million

In my opinion, if you build a city below seal level, it should be the city's responsibility to protect it. For example, if a developer decided to buy some ocean front property in Florida, build some dikes out into the water and then build a city there, should the rest of the country have to foot the bill to keep the city safe. I know that New Orleans has been around a long time and wouldn't expect it to be just left to sink into the earth, but I still think it is their responsibility.

See that Kevin... there you go making unfounded and uneducated allegations.  Did you know that at one time New Orleans had a natural protector against hurricanes?

 The Mississippi River dumps sediment, dirt, and debris into the Gulf of Mexico from it's southerly current.  That sediment and debris formed what is called "coastal" Louisiana.  In the 1800's coastal Louisiana spanned for hundreds of square miles.  It wasn't until natural gas and oil was found that coastal Louisiana was tampered with.  That natural barrier of land is what generally slowed hurricanes down (as they normally do once they start to travel over land...).  This natural barrier that took hundreds of years to form was all but destroyed in the late 1800's and early 1900's for oil and natural gas exploration.  Part of the federal monies go trying to revive the coastal areas that were tampered with, but it will take more time and money to do so.  And if you don't believe me, go to your local library and read up on coastal Louisiana.  Normally, it wouldn't bother me about any of this stuff that has been said, but with the current situation, I think we ought to take a more educated look at the situation and put the blame where it really needs to be instead of talking about homeless people who have no idea of their future.



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[Gunnybusa]

Si-Lo is that a credible site? If so then either some one  followed them around and caught them in the act ( which I doubt )or the web site is profiling.

I saw the exact same pictures on Bill Mahrer the other night. Those are Associated Press photos.  How's that for blatant racism?

That is blantant!