Why is it?

[mark3evo]

i remember seeing/hearing a WW1 veteran talking about how they often had to negotiate no-mans land to fetch the wounded

by preferably walking on the dead, else they would fall into the pools of mud

grim war that - just slaughter

this clip from a British comedy from 1990 captures exactly mocks the crazy tactics - of men going over the top

 

[WuzzaCBXRider]

Does it have Tom Cruise in it?

Enough said there...

Yeah I don’t like that he’s a Scientologist but as he’s aged his acting is gotten better. Plus, he does most if not all of his stunt work and he’s a pilot. The second movie has some spectacular aerial photography.

 

[Blanca BusaLess]

Yeah I don’t like that he’s a Scientologist but as he’s aged his acting is gotten better. Plus, he does most if not all of his stunt work and he’s a pilot. The second movie has some spectacular aerial photography.

It’s hard but I try to put actors politics or weird habits aside when I simply want to be entertained. Tom Cruise is a good actor. I like the Mission Impossible movies too. There’s a new one of those coming soon too.
What made the most recent Top Gun so good was it was Cruise himself that said the only way he’d do the movie was as little CGI as possible. He also owns and flies his own P51 which kinda adds cool points too.

 

[Bumblebee]

I know the answer but since the pandemic, quality control has fallen off the mark....I've noticed things I have bought aren't aligned properly or isn't trimmed properly..

Recently I bought a new pair of boots, the same brand and model I have worn for 20+ yrs and when wearing them outside for the first time after breaking them in around the house I got a hot spot (which I have never got from this model of boots before). Upon inspection I noticed an imperfection in where the leather was stitched together. I sanded it down and got it sorted out but that is the first time I've had to do this with such a supposed high-end boot.

Anyone else running into quality issues?

 

[Bumblebee]

It’s hard but I try to put actors politics or weird habits aside when I simply want to be entertained. Tom Cruise is a good actor. I like the Mission Impossible movies too. There’s a new one of those coming soon too.
What made the most recent Top Gun so good was it was Cruise himself that said the only way he’d do the movie was as little CGI as possible. He also owns and flies his own P51 which kinda adds cool points too.

It's a movie about fighter jets, pilots and that lifestyle, something I personally am not interested in.....

The old adage of "how do you know a pilot is at a party, just wait and they will tell you" rings true, of course there has to be a certain level of arrogance amongst them as they have a tough job staying alive up there.

I don't mind war movies based on actual events and have a little historical value but otherwise I avoid military-based movies and shows like the plague.

 

[Blanca BusaLess]

It's a movie about fighter jets, pilots and that lifestyle, something I personally am not interested in.....

The old adage of "how do you know a pilot is at a party, just wait and they will tell you" rings true, of course there has to be a certain level of arrogance amongst them as they have a tough job staying alive up there.

I don't mind war movies based on actual events and have a little historical value but otherwise I avoid military-based movies and shows like the plague.

Then watch All Quiet on the Western front I posted above. many critics have given it accolades for its rendition of life on the front. not really any glory in it just good portrayal of several unique aspects.

 

[TallTom]

It's a movie about fighter jets, pilots and that lifestyle, something I personally am not interested in.....

The old adage of "how do you know a pilot is at a party, just wait and they will tell you" rings true, of course there has to be a certain level of arrogance amongst them as they have a tough job staying alive up there.

I don't mind war movies based on actual events and have a little historical value but otherwise I avoid military-based movies and shows like the plague.

There are good pilots that are decently good people. But there is a stereotype for a reason.

But to be fair, my life is valuable. If I'm getting on a bus with wings, I want that bus driver to be well paid, not hung over, present for the moment, and happy to get me to where I'm going.

I don't give too much of a crap of what he does outside the cockpit.

 

[Bumblebee]

There are good pilots that are decently good people. But there is a stereotype for a reason.

But to be fair, my life is valuable. If I'm getting on a bus with wings, I want that bus driver to be well paid, not hung over, present for the moment, and happy to get me to where I'm going.

I don't give too much of a crap of what he does outside the cockpit.

I find the general-purpose pilots to be a different breed than the fighter pilots...

 

[fallenarch]

I grew up around fighter pilots, they were my heroes. One of my coaches flew an F-105. He went on a mission and never returned. Yes, they were cocky, but watching what they do, at least for me, gave them a pass. As the saying goes, "you get a cocky pass when you can back it up".

I respect all warriors. Nobody knows how they will react under fire until they are under fire. Anyone who is willing to put themselves into that situation is a hero in my book (cops too). Yes @Bumblebee , I get that pilots get to see the war from a clean cockpit when the grunts do all their fighting up close and personal. That said I love airplanes and the people who fly and maintain them.

I've seen Maverick 4 times already. Not just because it's a cool airplane movie, but it's next level cinematically. This movie is as close as most of us will get to actually flying an F-18 into battle. The tactics are solid because the filming technology meant the movie didn't have to explain what was going on - it was actually going on. Hell, they even hired Lockheed's Skunk Works to design the mach-10 plane Cruise flys in the opening of the movie!

Whatever you think of Cruise the man, he goes into a movie with the goal of bringing the best experience possible for his audiences. Cruise could have made another cheezy Top Gum movie. But he waited for an extremely well-done script (that actually elevates the cheezy first movie) and the technology to pull the audience right into the RIO seat to make this movie.

Truthfully, great air war movies are much more scarce than their ground war counterparts. There is "Saving Private Ryan" (simply an amazing movie), "Fury" (incredibly truthful storytelling), "Platoon" (the scene where the NV are sneaking up on the sleeping grunts, OMG), and there are a few more. With airplane movies until now, you watch the action rather than be in the action. There are some exceptions like the dog fighting scene in "Dunkirk" or "The Red Baron" (biplanes are easier to film due to cost and speed). I watched moviegoers in "Maverick" angling their heads and gripping their seats as the planes swooped and swerved on the screen. No plane movie has ever done that before this.

 

[Bumblebee]

I grew up around fighter pilots, they were my heroes. One of my coaches flew an F-105. He went on a mission and never returned. Yes, they were cocky, but watching what they do, at least for me, gave them a pass. As the saying goes, "you get a cocky pass when you can back it up".

I respect all warriors. Nobody knows how they will react under fire until they are under fire. Anyone who is willing to put themselves into that situation is a hero in my book (cops too). Yes @Bumblebee , I get that pilots get to see the war from a clean cockpit when the grunts do all their fighting up close and personal. That said I love airplanes and the people who fly and maintain them.

I've seen Maverick 4 times already. Not just because it's a cool airplane movie, but it's next level cinematically. This movie is as close as most of us will get to actually flying an F-18 into battle. The tactics are solid because the filming technology meant the movie didn't have to explain what was going on - it was actually going on. Hell, they even hired Lockheed's Skunk Works to design the mach-10 plane Cruise flys in the opening of the movie!

Whatever you think of Cruise the man, he goes into a movie with the goal of bringing the best experience possible for his audiences. Cruise could have made another cheezy Top Gum movie. But he waited for an extremely well-done script (that actually elevates the cheezy first movie) and the technology to pull the audience right into the RIO seat to make this movie.

Truthfully, great air war movies are much more scarce than their ground war counterparts. There is "Saving Private Ryan" (simply an amazing movie), "Fury" (incredibly truthful storytelling), "Platoon" (the scene where the NV are sneaking up on the sleeping grunts, OMG), and there are a few more. With airplane movies until now, you watch the action rather than be in the action. There are some exceptions like the dog fighting scene in "Dunkirk" or "The Red Baron" (biplanes are easier to film due to cost and speed). I watched moviegoers in "Maverick" angling their heads and gripping their seats as the planes swooped and swerved on the screen. No plane movie has ever done that before this.

I've been on helos sometimes flying into very harrowing places and those pilots were simply amazing, I've talked to A-10 pilots during briefings regarding what kind of cover we would require and those guys were just like talking to infantry guys.

I've spent time around a few pilots for my former job, many of the fighter pilots I talked to were good people....I get the reason why they have to be like they are, they are like MotoGP racers who have to wear a game face.

Watching a movie about them isn't my thing unless it has a historical basis.. Midway or the like would be more interesting to me as it's based on a real life event.

 

[fallenarch]

Yeah, I left out Midway. That was a great movie and when I watch what those guys did in battle you just can't look at the world the same way after that. From a movie geek standpoint, Midway is a good example of why Maverick is so next-level. Midway was almost totally CG. That was necessary because the story was huge, the planes too old to stress to the levels needed, and the carriers are too big to fake easily. So as you watch the movie you are always in the imaginary 3rd-person seat. Maverick is a smaller story in scope and the planes were active-duty jets. But the audience is in the 2nd person for the action sequences.

BTW: Rumor is (Youtube) Maverick is based on an actual mission that apparently was never actually flown because the chances of success were too low and they couldn't do it with F-35s (F-35s are not the most maneuverable of planes). The nice thing about planes costing billions is we don't fly suicide missions anymore!

 

[Blanca BusaLess]

I grew up around fighter pilots, they were my heroes. One of my coaches flew an F-105. He went on a mission and never returned. Yes, they were cocky, but watching what they do, at least for me, gave them a pass. As the saying goes, "you get a cocky pass when you can back it up".

I respect all warriors. Nobody knows how they will react under fire until they are under fire. Anyone who is willing to put themselves into that situation is a hero in my book (cops too). Yes @Bumblebee , I get that pilots get to see the war from a clean cockpit when the grunts do all their fighting up close and personal. That said I love airplanes and the people who fly and maintain them.

I've seen Maverick 4 times already. Not just because it's a cool airplane movie, but it's next level cinematically. This movie is as close as most of us will get to actually flying an F-18 into battle. The tactics are solid because the filming technology meant the movie didn't have to explain what was going on - it was actually going on. Hell, they even hired Lockheed's Skunk Works to design the mach-10 plane Cruise flys in the opening of the movie!

Whatever you think of Cruise the man, he goes into a movie with the goal of bringing the best experience possible for his audiences. Cruise could have made another cheezy Top Gum movie. But he waited for an extremely well-done script (that actually elevates the cheezy first movie) and the technology to pull the audience right into the RIO seat to make this movie.

Truthfully, great air war movies are much more scarce than their ground war counterparts. There is "Saving Private Ryan" (simply an amazing movie), "Fury" (incredibly truthful storytelling), "Platoon" (the scene where the NV are sneaking up on the sleeping grunts, OMG), and there are a few more. With airplane movies until now, you watch the action rather than be in the action. There are some exceptions like the dog fighting scene in "Dunkirk" or "The Red Baron" (biplanes are easier to film due to cost and speed). I watched moviegoers in "Maverick" angling their heads and gripping their seats as the planes swooped and swerved on the screen. No plane movie has ever done that before this.

I agree with this. And will tell you my office partner of almost 30yrs and best friend who got drafted and sent to the RvN says the scene in Platoon with him falling asleep on watch in the jungle happened more often than you’d believe.

 

[TallTom]

I find the general-purpose pilots to be a different breed than the fighter pilots...

I owned an aviation service company. By and large most of my issues were non payment. They try to live large without having the means to do so. The best pilots/customers were the business owners that flew their own planes.

They were meticulous and wanted things to be right. They also need that plane to get them someplace more important than the flight to get there. Pilots like to fly. Owners that fly, do it to get rid of the middleman.

I would on occasion get some high end corporate aircraft. Those were good pilots. They are used to the mentality that they are a cog in the corporate wheel. Instead of thinking they are the wheel.

 

[TallTom]

I've been on helos sometimes flying into very harrowing places and those pilots were simply amazing, I've talked to A-10 pilots during briefings regarding what kind of cover we would require and those guys were just like talking to infantry guys.

I've spent time around a few pilots for my former job, many of the fighter pilots I talked to were good people....I get the reason why they have to be like they are, they are like MotoGP racers who have to wear a game face.

Watching a movie about them isn't my thing unless it has a historical basis.. Midway or the like would be more interesting to me as it's based on a real life event.

I worked the A-10 modernization program. We installed a small gyro based nav system. Before that they actually flew by maps attached to leg pockets.

Those were good guys! Like you say, a totally different mentality. They live to support. Not live to be supported.

I also worked with one on the shuttle program. He was on the list to be a shuttle crew member. They apply and get put on the list. He was waiting for his time to crew. In the meantime they did all sorts of shuttle related support jobs.

Bill's morning greeting was, everyday, "What can I do to help today?". A good guy through and through.

 

[Blanca BusaLess]

On this aviation note does anyone watch that repo show where they most often are getting back planes from dead beat debtors? I know it’s reality and much is rehearsed but it’s still kinda neat to watch.
Watched one episode where the guy had to repo three passenger jets, two in Turkey and one in France. Was neat to see all he had to go thru before he could even call the flight crews to come fly them out and back to the USA.

 

[TallTom]

On this aviation note does anyone watch that repo show where they most often are getting back planes from dead beat debtors? I know it’s reality and much is rehearsed but it’s still kinda neat to watch.
Watched one episode where the guy had to repo three passenger jets, two in Turkey and one in France. Was neat to see all he had to go thru before he could even call the flight crews to come fly them out and back to the USA.

A lot of that is scripted chyt. And not nearly as exciting as the show. I've had to repo a few non payers aircrafts. Once you perfect the lien, all you have to do is call the FAA and show them the order. If they land in a controlled airspace the tower knows. They call us and tell us where it is. If it was close we just flew down, showed the Airport Authority we were the lien holder and flew it out or chained it up. Or tell the tower that we wished to act on the lien and they would not provide departure clearance.

Those planes are stupidly easy to unlock. Takes about 5 minutes to get in one and light the lights.

Once they either don't have the plane or can't fly it, they usually make full payment in about 12 hours or so. Every deadbeat knows full well their plane is subject to seizure. It's not like they don't get notified several times.

In theory, if they had no lien and landed on uncontrolled airports they can hide awhile. So they do show some of those in that series at times that are realistic. But the reality is, they are pretty easily found. Whether you want to act on it or not is totally a different matter.

If they owe on a loan, the credit holder will often just pay us rather than risk having the plane stripped of the equipment we have the lien on.

It's actually more fun to just steal it. They have plenty of voicemails instructing them how to get their plane back.

Take a plane away from a pilot, and suddenly they have priorities!

 

[michael parris heuberger]

I've been on helos sometimes flying into very harrowing places and those pilots were simply amazing, I've talked to A-10 pilots during briefings regarding what kind of cover we would require and those guys were just like talking to infantry guys.

I've spent time around a few pilots for my former job, many of the fighter pilots I talked to were good people....I get the reason why they have to be like they are, they are like MotoGP racers who have to wear a game face.

Watching a movie about them isn't my thing unless it has a historical basis.. Midway or the like would be more interesting to me as it's based on a real life event.

Hi. We were in a few valleys in a bird with fog so thick you could not see the nose and no nav system.

 

[13B-RX3]

I worked in aviation for 18+ years. By far the most entertaining/crazy pilots, are helicopter pilots.

 

[Blanca BusaLess]

Why is it….you can me minding your own business and this happens?!

Horrific moment motorcyclist is struck by flying truck in fatal crash

A petrifying video from a motorcyclist stopped at a traffic light in Malibu, California showed footage of a pick-up truck flying into him after being slammed into by a black SUV.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Wow!

 

[Bumblebee]

Why is it….you can me minding your own business and this happens?!

Horrific moment motorcyclist is struck by flying truck in fatal crash

A petrifying video from a motorcyclist stopped at a traffic light in Malibu, California showed footage of a pick-up truck flying into him after being slammed into by a black SUV.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Wow!

At least the two innocent people were spared and the driver of the stolen Lexus won't steal another vehicle and risk the lives of others...