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StwBusa
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I understand what your saying.
Thanks.... I was beginning to wonder if I was just smoking the wacky weed...
rockethead
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I can't believe the stock exhaust weighs that much, no wonder that is a common mod and I understand that even though everything is light weight it all adds up but this makes the bike more versatile in the terms of ridability/ reliability.
and I understand that even though everything is light weight it all adds up but this makes the bike more versatile in the terms of ridability/ reliability.
critterdoc
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You didn't, but if it doesn't, why use the fact that it makes peek power at 13k as an argument against my assertion that the PRESENT crop of litre superbikes out power the busa only at way higher rpm?
And my deepest apologies if you find my post an insult. I was simply stating a fact. You ain't getting it despite it being explained to you in the simplest terms. But you're right, I should have used the term "slow" instead of "idiot".
I am unsure of the exact stats, but I'll wager good money that the average age of a busa owner is at least a decade and possibly 2 decades higher than a litre superbike rider.
Why is that do you reckon?
Never mind...I am casting grain on stony ground!
The Hayabusa was not designed to minimize weight, it was designed to be a robust powerful platform for drag racing and street riding. First there is size, a GSXR 1K has a wheel base of around 54 inches, I think the busa is 60. Also the rear subframe on the busa is massive, made for a passenger and some luggage (or a couple NOS bottles). The double cannons on the stock exhaust would never be used on a race bike. Look at the frames side by side - the Busa is massive. Then there is a massive engine that was built to be bullet proof, not light. The Busa has a seperate cylinder and crankcase, the Gixxer has the cylinders cast with the case - this adds strength and is lighter. But the Busa engine is easier to build and can take tons of abuse.
As other people have mentioned there is a bigger gas tank, less exotic metals on every part possible, and on and on. Suzuki could have made the Busa 100 pounds lighter but would it be worth it to you to pay another $3K-$4K to loose 100 lbs? If your answer is yes, you need to look at a sportbike, not a hyperbike.
The bottom line is that 500 lbs is actually pretty light for a street going missle. That's why they didn't worry about the weight. The Busa surpasses every possible criteria for street riding with ease. If you want track day performance, get a sportbike.
As other people have mentioned there is a bigger gas tank, less exotic metals on every part possible, and on and on. Suzuki could have made the Busa 100 pounds lighter but would it be worth it to you to pay another $3K-$4K to loose 100 lbs? If your answer is yes, you need to look at a sportbike, not a hyperbike.
The bottom line is that 500 lbs is actually pretty light for a street going missle. That's why they didn't worry about the weight. The Busa surpasses every possible criteria for street riding with ease. If you want track day performance, get a sportbike.
StwBusa
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Ok... I was stating that my ZX10 made "peek" (sic) at 13000..the busa is 11000?? Right???...So my point is that there is hardly a 50% difference as you asserted in your earlier post...With regards to your other comments I will desist from lowering myself and engaging....
I have no idea why you have gotten so worked up about this.... but as I stated earlier people get very defensive about this bike.... Why is that???
E Zurcher
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StwBusa asked a question and it was answered by multiple people pretty much the same way. BUSA is a heavyweight bulletproof cruiser with gobs of power everywhere. The other sport bikes are evolving into track racing bikes bikes to compete with the Stellar BMW S1000RR, Ducs and others. Unfortunately, they are evolving themselves into near uselessness on the street.
Being an old fat guy I wouldn't want one for my everyday rider although I would love to take each one out for a day. I like the weight of my bike. I like the way it tracks solid through the sweepers. I like the fact I don't get blown all over the road. I really like the fact it has real turn signals and not a couple of LEDs on the sides of the license plates that can hardly be seen.
The BUSA has a presence that no other bike has. If that comes with a little extra weight, that's fine with me! Line one up next to a couple of track bikes and the BUSA will almost always get the ooohs and ahs. Why take a Falcon and turn it into a Hummingbird? Just buy the Hummingbird!
Being an old fat guy I wouldn't want one for my everyday rider although I would love to take each one out for a day. I like the weight of my bike. I like the way it tracks solid through the sweepers. I like the fact I don't get blown all over the road. I really like the fact it has real turn signals and not a couple of LEDs on the sides of the license plates that can hardly be seen.
The BUSA has a presence that no other bike has. If that comes with a little extra weight, that's fine with me! Line one up next to a couple of track bikes and the BUSA will almost always get the ooohs and ahs. Why take a Falcon and turn it into a Hummingbird? Just buy the Hummingbird!
Now that everyone is asleep in the house here I was just reading this thread to Blanca and to be quite honest with you she's insulted that you consider her overweight! I would hope that in this day and age we could get away from such kinds of insults. I see, so your one of the kinds of folks who only likes skinny perfect weight bodies and look past a large bodied or big bottom girl? Is that what your trying to tell us? Well let me tell you something mr superficial I only like skinny things, fat girls need love too!
critterdoc
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I would have thought that'd be obvious to anyone with half a brain, but then again, to you maybe not.
But that's beside the point, the REAL point is: why would anyone who'd ask
and then state
buy one in the first place, let alone buy one then slam it on a forum dedicated to it?The point is... I think Suzuki got lazy somehow and made the busa heavier than it could/should have been
StwBusa
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Oh dear.................
I am slamming it?? Oh Ok whatever you say...But nicely reasoned argument you have there... Who is the one in the room with half a brain???
ResidentEvil
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I have a half of brain
Josh
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I have a half of brain
I have the other.
StwBusa
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I have a half of brain
I am sure everybody on here who can engage in a reasoned, thought out argument does... Its just a shame it is not a universal ability
I have two halves but unfortunately both are dysfunctional
It's gotta be the more comfortable rear seat~!~
woodlandtechie
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Being in engineering for as long as I have, quality build is generally not lightweight unless at the complete opposite end of the spectrum....
I love the Busa, big, roomy, comfy and goes like stink....even if mine hates me as it's off the road pending a pressure sensor...still love it...love it, love it , love it...
Friends have pocket rockets and can't wait to take a break, I could ride all day and not suffer so much
I love the Busa, big, roomy, comfy and goes like stink....even if mine hates me as it's off the road pending a pressure sensor...still love it...love it, love it , love it...
Friends have pocket rockets and can't wait to take a break, I could ride all day and not suffer so much
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StwBusa
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Being in engineering for as long as I have, quality build is generally not lightweight unless at the complete opposite end of the spectrum....
I love the Busa, big, roomy, comfy and goes like stink....even if mine hates me as it's off the road pending a pressure sensor...still love it...love it, love it , love it...
Friends have pocket rockets and can't wait to take a break, I could ride all day and not suffer so much
It was an observation more than anything else... We all know the Busa is a fat girl... I guess I just wondered why... Hard to believe its simply a fact of cc's.....
Seems expressing an opinion on here stirs up the nest
ddd269
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I can't believe the stock exhaust weighs that much, no wonder that is a common mod
I had the Brock's CT duals on my "old" '08 Busa and I have to say that the stock exhaust is HEAVY. I didn't weigh them, but without exaggerating, the whole CT dual (including headers) probably weighs less than ONE stock pipe. Don't even ask about the stock manifold. Bullet proof is right.
woodlandtechie
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I think the stock exhaust is heavy for number of reasons and by design, on a Blackbird they have a mass damping effect for example....than there's all those damn regulations to satisfy...
afterhours
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wow, talk about thick headed.....
you are trying to compare a bike that was created from day one to be as light as possible, the GSXR.
to a bike that was designed to be Suzuki's "flagship", a bike that was a symbol of thier technological and engineering superiority.
GSXR are built to last a season, the Hayabusa was built to dominate for a decade. instead of making the lightest and smallest bike, they designed a big,strong engine that could handle 20lbs of boost or being bored and stroked to 1600cc.
they designed a chasis that was as solid at 200mph as it was at 50mph. you do this with weight, the frame is bigger and strnger. you designed parts to isolate engine and road vibration like rubber mounted rear-sets and clip-ons....all these things are heavy.
and we are not even looking at the engine internals that all have to be bigger and heavier to handle the massive amounts of torque the Busa produces.
you are trying to compare a bike that was created from day one to be as light as possible, the GSXR.
to a bike that was designed to be Suzuki's "flagship", a bike that was a symbol of thier technological and engineering superiority.
GSXR are built to last a season, the Hayabusa was built to dominate for a decade. instead of making the lightest and smallest bike, they designed a big,strong engine that could handle 20lbs of boost or being bored and stroked to 1600cc.
they designed a chasis that was as solid at 200mph as it was at 50mph. you do this with weight, the frame is bigger and strnger. you designed parts to isolate engine and road vibration like rubber mounted rear-sets and clip-ons....all these things are heavy.
and we are not even looking at the engine internals that all have to be bigger and heavier to handle the massive amounts of torque the Busa produces.
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