2024 LE at Moore Mafias

[dcnblues]

I don't see any representatives from wheelie schools on here but we have a resource in our midst to assist us....

On that topic, I've got a challenge that might interest SmithaBusa. I was chatting with the other instructor at the wheelie School about a stoppie bike. Their wheelie bike has two systems to prevent the bike from flipping, the first is electronic standard issue stuff that cuts power to the spark plug when the sensor gets to a given angle, but there is a backup that mechanically engages the rear brake if the electronics don't work.
Building a stoppie bike on which it would be impossible to flip the bike forward is a bigger challenge because to release braking pressure, you have to deal with hydraulics. What you would need is an electronic setup with a sensor and fast electronics that could either bleed off hydraulic fluid from the front brakes into a reservoir (which would then need to cycle back to the master cylinder reservoir), or maybe have a mechanical servo that is electronically controlled pushing the brake lever away from the grip. Not sure it's even possible to design such a system as the calibration would be minute. But it's fun to think about.

 

[sixpack577]

Or...just learn to ride stoppies normally.
Build up to it, make them higher each time.
All it is is front brake control, and practicing emergency braking.
You also cannot do a stoppie on an ABS bike without turning off the ABS by whatever means.

 

[dcnblues]

How do you know that I haven't?
There's nothing wrong with helping people and not charging them.

Well, first you're going to need to pull the header, then the radiator, then probably just drop the whole engine just to do the valve job. Because it's easier that way. Which is why I wouldn't want to pay someone to do the valve job on a ZX 12 or 14. Angry rant attacking me for that opinion in 3, 2, 1....

 

[dcnblues]

Or...just learn to ride stoppies normally.
Build up to it, make them higher each time.
All it is is front brake control, and practicing emergency braking.
You also cannot do a stoppie on an ABS bike without turning off the ABS by whatever means.

You would really HATE a guy named Keith Code.

 

[sixpack577]

You would really HATE a guy named Keith Code.

I actually don't...

 

[sixpack577]

Well, first you're going to need to pull the header, then the radiator, then probably just drop the whole engine just to do the valve job. Because it's easier that way. Which is why I wouldn't want to pay someone to do the valve job on a ZX 12 or 14. Angry rant attacking me for that opinion in 3, 2, 1....

Why would I pull a header and radiator for a valve adjustment?
I explained in the post that the radiator was out to clean external oil stains, and the exhaust was off to swap to a full system, which I did.
The valves needed checked, as the bike was at the mileage for it.
So...I did all three jobs at once.
Then, I posted a picture, so you could see what that style of frame looked like from the Side, with the fairings off...and the radiator and exhaust are in front, with nothing to do with it.
If you feel 'attacked' by the truth(feel free to reread any of my previous posts), then that's on you.
The only attack in this whole conversation has been against my character, with name calling from you, lol, which doesn't bother me, aside from the attempted smear, based on your own bad attitude.

 

[ROADTOAD1340]

Just a bit of info on actual wheelie speed records , current champ is UK Cork biker, Ted Brady . He recently became the official holder of the Guinness World Record for the fastest kilometer wheelie setting a blistering speed of 217.85 mph. I believe the lads have a point to point marked out 1km , that they approach and then carry a wheelie while covering that 1km at speed . This fella records are often in contraversey tho .
Of note , the former champion , Patrik Furstenhoff truly was the very best wheelie king , even better style and proper wheelies , whereas the current champ is within the rules , but no where near the Patrik's skill set . Patrik was a real treat to watch , he would wheelie the full length and hit it all the way on his 540bhp Busa as fast as he could balance . He is actually my favorite outlaw rider in the world , he is the original Ghost Rider .
Chris Moore has made the quickest ever run on his 6 second 233mph bike that he rode through a 200mph + wheelie , which can be viewed on youtube . I a not having luck viewing any download youtube transferred to the org posts , so please look it up ur self .

 

[sixpack577]

You need to go into his build thread and see his work.....he tore apart the transmission in his GSXR1K and rebuilt it....I personally would be helpless to do that....

From what I see when I view @sixpack577 's build thread, he is very thorough and meticulous when he works on something...he is doing miracles with the build on that old GSXR....

And he's a wheelie nut so if he tells us something about wheeling a motorcycle, it would benefit us to listen.....I don't see any representatives from wheelie schools on here but we have a resource in our midst to assist us....

I personally have a lot of time for him.

My $0.02 for what it's worth...

Thank you sir,
I appreciate that, and coming from someone like you adds to that to me.

 

[sixpack577]

Just a bit of info on actual wheelie speed records , current champ is UK Cork biker, Ted Brady . He recently became the official holder of the Guinness World Record for the fastest kilometer wheelie setting a blistering speed of 217.85 mph. I believe the lads have a point to point marked out 1km , that they approach and then carry a wheelie while covering that 1km at speed . This fella records are often in contraversey tho .
Of note , the former champion , Patrik Furstenhoff truly was the very best wheelie king , even better style and proper wheelies , whereas the current champ is within the rules , but no where near the Patrik's skill set . Patrik was a real treat to watch , he would wheelie the full length and hit it all the way on his 540bhp Busa as fast as he could balance . He is actually my favorite outlaw rider in the world , he is the original Ghost Rider .
Chris Moore has made the quickest ever run on his 6 second 233mph bike that he rode through a 200mph + wheelie , which can be viewed on youtube . I a not having luck viewing any download youtube transferred to the org posts , so please look it up ur self .

I personally find the 200mph wheelies quite incredible.
At 150mph, and the front wheel a foot or more in the air(2' max) that felt like all a bolt-on bike had in it
I would think the big turbo power, although a must to get the speed and the wheel up, would help in the stability, as the huge power is pushing you through the wind, vs the 180ish whp being pushed to it's max, lol
I've done a personal best top speed of 197mph on my Gen2 Busa(both tires on the road, lol).
I wonder, if given the chance on a big turbo, if I even still have it in me to go for a wheelie at those speeds, lol

 

[ROADTOAD1340]

I personally find the 200mph wheelies quite incredible.
At 150mph, and the front wheel a foot or more in the air(2' max) that felt like all a bolt-on bike had in it
I would think the big turbo power, although a must to get the speed and the wheel up, would help in the stability, as the huge power is pushing you through the wind, vs the 180ish whp being pushed to it's max, lol
I've done a personal best top speed of 197mph on my Gen2 Busa(both tires on the road, lol).
I wonder, if given the chance on a big turbo, if I even still have it in me to go for a wheelie at those speeds, lol

I , really find those 150 mph + wheelies astounding ... to watch that is bro . The thought tho , of mono wheeling at speeds beyond thunderdome is well above my abilities and I dont mind admitting to that . Firstly tho , I dont mind if my bikes loft the front wheel under certain hard acceleration etc , but I never been that other mate who can wheelie anywhere in any confined / open road enviroment or not . That wild skill tho , is the case for a lot of great riders I've known , just like yourself Six , that can ride all types of wheelie , on anything 2 wheeled and do often for natural kicks . Those riders are the best to ride with , they encourage you to ride a bit more edgey at the very least , but always calculated safe risk , and are the most entertainent on a ride . I know one particular mate that is still the same , at 67 yo , because they are still riding the same top level skill set , the many years , I have known them . You be onto that late model Gixxer 1K , and the rebuild 2003 1K , so you have 2 bikes that I bet will get limited front wheel wear !!!

 

[ROADTOAD1340]

I would love to get you on a turbo bike or my H2 once it is where I think you would like it Six . To get you riding it hard , wheelies would naturally occur frequently if I keep it stock wheelbase .

 

[sixpack577]

I , really find those 150 mph + wheelies astounding ... to watch that is bro . The thought tho , of mono wheeling at speeds beyond thunderdome is well above my abilities and I dont mind admitting to that . Firstly tho , I dont mind if my bikes loft the front wheel under certain hard acceleration etc , but I never been that other mate who can wheelie anywhere in any confined / open road enviroment or not . That wild skill tho , is the case for a lot of great riders I've known , just like yourself Six , that can ride all types of wheelie , on anything 2 wheeled and do often for natural kicks . Those riders are the best to ride with , they encourage you to ride a bit more edgey at the very least , but always calculated safe risk , and are the most entertainent on a ride . I know one particular mate that is still the same , at 67 yo , because they are still riding the same top level skill set , the many years , I have known them . You be onto that late model Gixxer 1K , and the rebuild 2003 1K , so you have 2 bikes that I bet will get limited front wheel wear !!!

Thanks man,
I do love power wheelies too, they are great fun sometimes.
The 150mph wheelie was still pretty smooth, but you could feel the wind was a wall, the power just wasnt there to push it any more and still have any control.
That is where I belive the turbo would plow through, obviously.
Would I see myself as a record setter? Lmao, no, that 200 number sure sounds cool though, but I don't think I ever have to worry about finding out...I think that ship has sailed, lol.
60-120mph is a good range for a 1k, zx14, or Busa(I've never ridden a gen2 zx14 or a Gen3 Busa)
I find most all of them happy at 45, 65, 75, and 110 mph, all gps'd paced by other bike(I can't see the guages), and they like to sit around 10 o'clock with little effort, but the height and rider position can vary quite a bit.
A friend of mine could lean back and jokingly carry the lowest, yet ridiculously long wheelie, and it really took Alot of skill to pull that off, lol.
I am excited to get my '03 back on the road, as 165whp is very easy to manage on one wheel.
Crank that up another 30+whp like the '18 has, along with a lightswitch like on/off throttle, not to mention staggeringly fast acceleration in 1st to 2nd gear...
it can be quite a handful, and open highway is the place for that monster.
I'm an aging hoon, I'll stick with the old school for that.
At 46, I have met my match, and no longer have any desire to tame that beast.
I remember my first ride on my friend's new zx9, way back in the day, full muzzy, jetted right, 130-40whp, double blip the throttle in 1st or 2nd...and up it came, and away you went.
And once the Gsxr1k came along, well, you know, lol
That level power, sub 10 second quarters with 185+mph top end was incredible.
Apparently in the time since then...I have gotten old...
lmao

 

[sixpack577]

Just a bit of info on actual wheelie speed records , current champ is UK Cork biker, Ted Brady . He recently became the official holder of the Guinness World Record for the fastest kilometer wheelie setting a blistering speed of 217.85 mph. I believe the lads have a point to point marked out 1km , that they approach and then carry a wheelie while covering that 1km at speed . This fella records are often in contraversey tho .
Of note , the former champion , Patrik Furstenhoff truly was the very best wheelie king , even better style and proper wheelies , whereas the current champ is within the rules , but no where near the Patrik's skill set . Patrik was a real treat to watch , he would wheelie the full length and hit it all the way on his 540bhp Busa as fast as he could balance . He is actually my favorite outlaw rider in the world , he is the original Ghost Rider .
Chris Moore has made the quickest ever run on his 6 second 233mph bike that he rode through a 200mph + wheelie , which can be viewed on youtube . I a not having luck viewing any download youtube transferred to the org posts , so please look it up ur self .

I agree
There is only one Ghost Rider
and my all time favorite as well.
I'de love to have a fraction of his natural ability.

 

[sixpack577]

I think internet forums are improved when the content has enough humility to admit when they are wrong. It's hard to be deferential absent of that.
Negativity isn't really an improvement either. How many times has he laughed his ass off at me just in this thread? I've been pretty restrained.

You are way too uptight man.
I laugh as I don't take life too seriously, I enjoy it, and I am nice to those I encounter, in person, and online.
I have plenty of humility too.
I gave my Opinions on shim changes that require cam removal, being easier with no frame rails on the sides of the engines.
That wheelie machines weren't like the real thing...because they aren't.
I have real life experience to stand on that gives me my opinion.
You have your thoughts and ideas on the same topics that give you your inexperienced opinions.
So why, or even how, am I supposed to "admit I am wrong"?
Why you think anything I said to you was meant to upset you is beyond me.
We encourage people here to do there own work, so I said the valve job wasn't that bad.
You wanted to try a wheelie machine, but were disapointed, as it's on another continent, and I said, it isn't the same anyway, as in, it's not, so don't worry about it.
I was going to give you some pointers next, but, I don't think you would have liked that either.
Didn't ride dirtbikes?
Sure, it helps, skills transfer, but I know several skilled dirtbike riders who won't wheelie a sportbike, as it feels a little different.
Another friend of mine never rode anything in his life, and bought a new '06 Gsxr1k, against Everyone's better judgement...he quickly handed all of us our asses, and has incredible natural talent.
So, like anything else, it's all in your head.
Now, I will leave it here.
I wish you well in your riding.
Call me whatever you like, but please do not call me a liar, or say that my integrity is questionable, as I do not really care what others think of me, but neither of those things are true.
That is all I will say of that as well, as I know that the people here who have dealt with me for years, know those comments have no basis in truth.
Have a nice day sir.

 

[Dai.]

Woohoo first carbon wheel purchase lol

 

[dcnblues]

Just a bit of info on actual wheelie speed records , current champ is UK Cork biker, Ted Brady . He recently became the official holder of the Guinness World Record for the fastest kilometer wheelie setting a blistering speed of 217.85 mph. I believe the lads have a point to point marked out 1km , that they approach and then carry a wheelie while covering that 1km at speed . This fella records are often in contraversey tho .
Of note , the former champion , Patrik Furstenhoff truly was the very best wheelie king , even better style and proper wheelies , whereas the current champ is within the rules , but no where near the Patrik's skill set . Patrik was a real treat to watch , he would wheelie the full length and hit it all the way on his 540bhp Busa as fast as he could balance . He is actually my favorite outlaw rider in the world , he is the original Ghost Rider .
Chris Moore has made the quickest ever run on his 6 second 233mph bike that he rode through a 200mph + wheelie , which can be viewed on youtube . I a not having luck viewing any download youtube transferred to the org posts , so please look it up ur self .

Seems to be just what I said. Only a few inches off the ground. That's a pretty loose definition of wheelie.
Would NOT want wings on the bike if doing that...

 

[ROADTOAD1340]

Seems to be just what I said. Only a few inches off the ground. That's a pretty loose definition of wheelie.
Would NOT want wings on the bike if doing that...

I think that is out of date mate , but anyway , the best wheelie king imo as I have mentioned , Patrik Furstenhoff , does pull real mid height wheelies at 200 plus mph . Dont worry , they are real and very fast , and not short duration . You would find shoulder high wheelies very rare at very high speed , but dudes probably have done that too .

 

[Bumblebee]

I think that is out of date mate , but anyway , the best wheelie king imo as I have mentioned , Patrik Furstenhoff , does pull real mid height wheelies at 200 plus mph . Dont worry , they are real and very fast , and not short duration . You would find shoulder high wheelies very rare at very high speed , but dudes probably have done that too .

Surprisingly enough my old 1200 Bandit was a real wheelie monster...it would pull the front tire up at the blink of an eye...it wheelied easier than my old RD400 or RZ350 and that's saying something because they were hungry for wheelies.....sometimes the Bandit would loft the front tire when you weren't expecting t to which was scary at times...

My CR250R was a real wheelie beast though....I could ride a cat-walk for a whole day if I wanted to.....but I seldom ever did...one time I rode past my older son on the back tire and whacked his helmet with my hand on the way by....both my boys said I was nuts on that thing....I had to get rid of it before I hurt myself....

 

[dcnblues]

I think that is out of date mate , but anyway , the best wheelie king imo as I have mentioned , Patrik Furstenhoff , does pull real mid height wheelies at 200 plus mph . Dont worry , they are real and very fast , and not short duration . You would find shoulder high wheelies very rare at very high speed , but dudes probably have done that too .

The problem is there's no really good video. The Ghost Rider stuff is 20 years old and shot with low res cameras on overpasses and such, so you can't verify the speed really. I could sort of see mid height at maybe 100-120, but I think we can all agree that the more wind and the higher the speed, the more the bike has to lean down into it. So if that's true, there's something going on aerodynamically I just don't understand. I don't understand how the bike could thrust into that wind if the torque Vector is pointing down into the ground at 40 or 45°. And I absolutely don't understand how the bike wouldn't flip. Or, and maybe this is true, at 150 or more it's possible to pull a mid height wheelie, but it can't be sustained and is basically a parachute rapidly slowing you down. The problem is there's no good video. I need to see it to believe it.
And we do need to work on the definition. Because if a wheelie is just a few inches off the ground, I've pulled thousands of those.
My problem maybe is that I'm a pilot. You get up to speed, you lift the nose, and the air lifts you off the ground. Usually at or below 100 mph. I understand the aerodynamics of the big motorcycle are different as you're dealing with an engine block wrapped in plastic, but that back axle freely rotates. If you had an F1 car with a tow rope hooked to the triple t, then I could understand a 150 or 200 mid height wheelie. Short of that I need to see it.

 

[Procrastinator]

I agree.....

I know this guy is a Kawasaki guy so even if Suzuki made the HyperBusa from the factory, he'd probably have something bad to say about it...

For just general street riding, the Z-H2 variant of the H2 family is superb if you can get past the looks. I own one and with a full exhaust and ecu flash it puts out 229bhp at the rear wheel and has torque and power everywhere. All this while being 25 kilos lighter than the Busa.

I own a gen 3 busa as well and in the stock form it does not have the savage hit of the H2. I will get a full exhaust fitted and fueling sorted this spring and hopefully that will make a difference.