Brake fade after parked for 4 days

There are some reports on Facebook, where other riders, had exact the same problem. Problems with the break are not a litte thing, they have to react now! I dont understand it at all, that they dont use the Mastercylinder from Brembo! The installed Stylemas....but dont use the MC? No clever way to save money, as we can see now!
 
There are some reports on Facebook, where other riders, had exact the same problem. Problems with the break are not a litte thing, they have to react now! I dont understand it at all, that they dont use the Mastercylinder from Brembo! The installed Stylemas....but dont use the MC? No clever way to save money, as we can see now!
In my opinion it has to have something to do with the linked brake system as the ABS system isn't new and the MCs are taken from the B King and they worked fine on it...

I do concur that Suzuki should have used Brembo MCs, if they are in for a penny they might as well be in for a pound....
 
Genni has been at the dealer for the front brake issue. The front brake will get spongy and then get solid again. Suzuki had the shop replace the master cylinder, put 5 miles on it, then let it sit for a few days. I went in to check on her. Walked up, grabbed the brake, and it pulled all the way back to the grip. The mechanic will be on the phone with Suzuki again on Tuesday.
 
Sounds to me Suzuki don't know what's going on . Personally would not drive a bike untill this fault is fixed.
I believe in the UK you can knock the vehicle back after 3times with the same fault
Next time take a video to use as evidence
 
Sounds like bad master cylinders being replaced with bad master cylinders.
That, or the abs pump is letting air in somewhere.
Without fluid leaks, and the extremely rare bad lines that let air in but not fluid out...there's nothing else it can be.
Unless it has something to do with the linked brake system...all the other systems on the gen 3 have been used before on other bikes haven't they?
 
Unless it has something to do with the linked brake system...all the other systems on the gen 3 have been used before on other bikes haven't they?

The linked brakes are simply the electronically controlled abs signal telling the mechanical system what to do.
As far as I know the abs pump itself on the gen3 is like the gsxr's, that the front and rear lines enter and exit the pump seperate from one another.
That the pump is electronically activated, and the abs applies the front And rear brakes together, as the abs controller sees fit, and that under normal braking, the front and rear brakes still function individually under normal conditions(at what levels of braking, and what percentages based on Traction Control level settings I do not know).
Regardless, no front brake lever, then quickly pumping back up is still a mechanical problem.
Given the lever is obviously directly linked to the MC, and that the several reports here that we've heard all say the same, that lever pressure was built back in a few pumps, tells me that the problem is somewhere in the MC itself.
Even though an air leak could still be happening at the ABS pump, that it would seem less likely to me, as with no fluid leaks, means that any air is moving inside the line towards the end anyway...keeping in mind these MC's have a bleeder on them too.
The only easy test I could think off would be to remove the suspected MC, and attach a line to a known functioning caliper with a rotor/piece of metal or wood for the pads to bite, bleed and get the caliper working...wait a few days and try again. If the MC still makes pressure(doubtful), then look at the pump.
Again, we're just guessing without physical parts to test.
I would still be suspect of bad master cylinders and/or cup seals.
I would also like to measure the MC bore I.D, and see how much taper is in it.
As well as seal O.D.
I would be curious to know if there is a casting or tooling flaw at the end of the MC's piston stroke, so when the spring pushes/holds the piston at the end of the cylinder, that a defect is allowing a slow leak from poor seal in that position, but after a few pumps, is back to building pressure.
If I had a bad MC, I could take the measurements on a machine that could determine that.
I would think/hope that Suzuki is working with their MC suppliers, and doing similiar right now.
Hopefully the defective factory and factory replacement parts(whatever they end up being), can be traced to one or more bad lots.
And that a recall will be issued immediately.
Most of us realize how serious this can be, and there really Needs to be a definative result, as in, it was this, and we fixed it.
I would not be comfortable as a gen3 rider at the moment.
 
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The linked brakes are simply the electronically controlled abs signal telling the mechanical system what to do.
As far as I know the abs pump itself on the gen3 is like the gsxr's, that the front and rear lines enter and exit the pump seperate from one another.
That the pump is electronically activated, and the abs applies the front And rear brakes together, as the abs controller sees fit, and that under normal braking, the front and rear brakes still function individually under normal conditions(at what levels of braking, and what percentages based on Traction Control level settings I do not know).
Regardless, no front brake lever, then quickly pumping back up is still a mechanical problem.
Given the lever is obviously directly linked to the MC, and that the several reports here we've heard all say the same, that lever pressure was built back in a few pumps, tells me that the problem is somewhere in the MC itself.
Even though an air leak could still be happening at the ABS pump, that it would seem less likely to me, as with no fluid leaks, means that any air is moving inside the line towards the end anyway...keeping in mind these MC's have a bleeder on them too.
The only easy test I could think off would be to remove the suspected MC, and attach a line to a known functioning caliper with a rotor/piece of metal or wood for the pads to bite, bleed and get the caliper working...wait a few days and try again. If the MC still makes pressure(doubtful), then look at the pump.
Again, we're just guessing without physical parts to test.
I would still be suspect of bad master cylinders and/or cup seals.
I would also like to measure the MC bore I.D, and see how much taper is in it.
As well as seal O.D.
I would be curious to know if there is a casting or tooling flaw at the end of the MC's piston stroke, so when the spring pushes/holds the piston at the end of the cylinder, that a defect is allowing a slow leak from poor seal in that position, but after a few pumps, is back to building pressure.
If I had a bad MC, I could take the measurements on a machine that could determine that.
I would think/hope that Suzuki is working with their MC suppliers, and doing similiar right now.
Hopefully the defective factory and factory replacement parts(whatever they end up being), can be traced to one or more bad lots.
And that a recall will be issued immediately.
Most of us realize how serious this can be, and there really Needs to be a definative result, as in, it was this, and we fixed it.
I would not be comfortable as a gen3 rider at the moment.
That's the longest thing you've ever written...

The MCs are BKing units right? Maybe they've been sitting around for a long time..?

Leads me to stick to my thought that Suzuki should have gone to Brembo MCs on their premiere bike...

I agree, a recall should be done...this is not a good thing to be happening and if I were a gen 3 owner, I'd be pretty angry/worried.
 
That's the longest thing you've ever written...

The MCs are BKing units right? Maybe they've been sitting around for a long time..?

Leads me to stick to my thought that Suzuki should have gone to Brembo MCs on their premiere bike...

I agree, a recall should be done...this is not a good thing to be happening and if I were a gen 3 owner, I'd be pretty angry/worried.

Blessed are the short winded...my bad
lmao!
I don't know on the B-king master cylinder either.
If it is the same, I'de think/hope that they were new parts/MC's on the gen3's vs nos(new old stock) from the B-king.
Given how the B-king was globally discontinued in 2015, I'de think/hope the MC supplier didn't throw in some nos with the new parts they started running again.
Which in the super unlikely event of that being true, would point to a seal problem(age, stuck seal when moved was slightly damaged), as the B-kings never had this issue.
Many of the B-kings also had ABS too, even though it was a different system.
Who knows; that's my best Armchair Quarterback guess...until my next one.
 
Blessed are the short winded...my bad
lmao!
I don't know on the B-king master cylinder either.
If it is the same, I'de think/hope that they were new parts/MC's on the gen3's vs nos(new old stock) from the B-king.
Given how the B-king was globally discontinued in 2015, I'de think/hope the MC supplier didn't throw in some nos with the new parts they started running again.
Which in the super unlikely event of that being true, would point to a seal problem(age, stuck seal when moved was slightly damaged), as the B-kings never had this issue.
Many of the B-kings also had ABS too, even though it was a different system.
Who knows; that's my best Armchair Quarterback guess...until my next one.
If they are left over BKing units, it would lend to the issue that not every Gen 3 has the issue as some may be ok...someone who's not as lazy as I am could check the part number of a BKing MC with a gen 3 MC to see if they are the same I reckon...

Then on the other side of the street, if they are left over MCs why aren't the clutch MC suffering some sort of issue?

It's a real conundrum......
 
If they are left over BKing units, it would lend to the issue that not every Gen 3 has the issue as some may be ok...someone who's not as lazy as I am could check the part number of a BKing MC with a gen 3 MC to see if they are the same I reckon...

Then on the other side of the street, if they are left over MCs why aren't the clutch MC suffering some sort of issue?

It's a real conundrum......

Going soley based on all of these assumptions, the clutch MC's could have been produced in lower numbers(as they go on fewer bikes than the brake MC does), and their nos supply exhausted, meaning new ones need to be manufactured for the gen3.
And if the gen3 MC is the same part# as the Bking's; does either have Any identifying marks or numbers indicating their build date?
 
That's awful, Suzuki better do something now before somebody gets killed.
But, how would anyone ever prove it?
According to the facebook site, Suzuki is aware and looking into it; so why isn't there a recall already?
I have a big problem with stupid people, who are everywhere, and apparently work at Suzuki too...and it's a huge disapointment.
Bike history would prove it...each time it happened it should be entered into the computer but it would require work on the behalf of the crash investigator...

Should definitely be a recall.....
 
Gen3 part MC and Piston cup set diff #
Gen3 mc piston cup set 59600-10830 OTEyMzcxNw-5eaf0746.jpg

B-King 100% diff # 59800-23810 piston cup set

B-King mc 2 s-l1600.jpg


B-King mc 1 s-l1600.jpg



Gen3 mc parts Screen Shot 06-28-22 at 08.32 PM.JPG
 
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