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Actually that’s the only reason he makes sense to you. It’s what you want to hear. Most of what he said is incorrect or conjecture. GM has made changes to overall production of all vehicles due to a slow down in sales mostly because of interest rates, hence holding off on building an EV only assembly plant. I’ll bet the other manufacturers are adjusting likewise.
I imagine you say the same thing about the other video I posted regarding GM shutting down EV production...
I agree with what this guy says as I have heard these same sort of incorrect conjectures coming from other sources.
I also like this guy as his views mirror my own very closely
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Meeting with a cousin last night made me think of this thread. She and the husband have a Ford expedition and needed a second vehicle, so decided to try (lease) a Hyundai ionics. I got to drive it and is definitely not for me. They got some kind of incentive with their lease that allows them to charge it at the nearby outlet mall stations for free, so they go get a 20min charge twice a week, since they don’t drive it that much. They tried to drive to Orlando the other day and learned the hard way that it can’t go very far on a charge while doing highway speeds. LOL! I’ll keep my low tech Tacoma with a manual transmission.
Sadly their story is not unique.....I've brought up similar stories on this thread but have been touted as an anti-EV despot.....
I'm not anti-EV, I just don't think they are the answer and I'm often being proven correct.
I think that at the end of the day is about someone trying to make money and not so much about “protecting” the environment. I highly doubt these investors/companies are so passionate about the environment.
I agree, it's always about the money.....
In my opinion the last video I posted is bang on....
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I think Musk does have a passion to eliminate our dependency on fossil fuels. He has open sourced a lot of his technology to foster EVs.
He also knows that he has to make money to grow technologies. He has been hugely innovative. The Giga press being an example. Everyone car maker can benefit from that. He is the one that invents things he simply has the brains to see it through. He hasn't done 100%, but I still think he's the Henry Ford or the Thomas Edison of our time.
It’s tempting, 0-60 2.9 seconds and 500 mile range.
Here is the problem, will be launched end of the month, but with pre orders so far the waiting list is at approximately 5 years.
Production planned at 375,000 per year, over 2 million so far pre ordered.
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There are pessimists and there are optimists.
And then there is me, wishing I was 20 years younger so I could join the optimists and the challenge they put before us.
I'm neither a pessimist nor an optimist, I'm a realist....
The realist in me tells me EV are not the answer...what is the answer eludes me (and almost everyone these days).
Oil dependency isn't good either....we have only so much of that to go around even though we can make synthetic fuels too....maybe we can makes these fuels both more efficient and environmentally friendly....
In the end, Musk is about money as they all are.....he buys up companies and strips them so they make more money with less cost to him.
...and Henry Ford although he gave us the assembly line for cars (even though others were right on his heels making their own) was a nut and lots of his ideas and plans ended in failure.
The last video I posted pretty much sums up all the discussion we have had here....and I challenge anyone to dispute what was said in the video.
EV is no better on the environment than ICE, both have a huge carbon footprint in both manufacturing, use and recycling.
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Did you spend time to digest what I posted above, again linked here below? Only a small percentage of the plan covers EV’s.
At least just read the executive summary, it will only take a couple of minutes.
Did you spend time to digest what I posted above, again linked here below? Only a small percentage of the plan covers EV’s.
At least just read the executive summary, it will only take a couple of minutes.
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Tesla is a company....since when does a company dictate policy and direct an energy plan to a country, any country?
....this looks very much like it's geared toward the US only.....I'd imagine if he set foot in say Pakistan, India or other like countries and started dictating a green policy he'd be sent packing and quickly....
.....and the will of the people has to be taken into consideration, if the majority of people don't embrace this, it will not succeed and right now the overwhelming majority do not embrace this.
In time this effort will be yet another annul in history much like the actual Tesla himself and his "hair-brained" ideas....
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Both Henry Ford and Thomas Edison had failures. Tesla isn't a success. But they all were innovators that did hard things, had vision, invented. Building a viable electric car is hard. Musk had the vision to make hard happen. Using his money to get there. Not mine.
I have learned to never underestimate Musk.
His boring company used to sound like a silly idea. His pet project. He quietly soldiered on with it. Now, you realize, it's going to be a new way to travel. Nobody saw the vision like he did.
Musk has done what NASA said was impossible. Now he will be the best chance at regaining our leadership in space travel. If we go to Mars, Musk will lead us there. While I think going to Mars is pointless, going to Mars is going to take innovation. We will have learned entirely new ways to do things. Musk has a Mars vision I don't. But that's why he's Musk and I'm not.
If he says he's going to colonize Mars, he will be why we do. Even if I have no desire to live on Mars and he fails at it, we will all benefit from it.
His Neurolink work, could allow the paralysed, to walk again.
But yeah he has also failed along the way.
Musk didn't invent the EV, he didn't invent anything, he took an already established design and built on it...
History has already shown us the "Musks" and their concepts, I am skeptical of these successes.
Henry Ford, Howard Hughes, Nikola Tesla and many others were lunatics....they made innovative ideas but were unstable as human beings...
I see Musk as this sort of person as well....he's just the modern day version...
If you watch the video I posted above, the speaker gives the hard facts of what we are facing.....the focus towards green tech seems to be the "low hanging fruit" of North America and western developed countries.
What about the billions of people who are living with unreliable energy, where is their solution to the energy crisis they are facing?
Space travel to me is expensive and useless if we can't even get our selves sorted out on this planet, why are we so bent on going to wreck another?
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I never said he invented the EV. I said he made a viable one. And did so by inventing a lot things needed to get it there. His electric motor technology will benefit us all.
Yes Musk is eccentric. A lot of geniuses are.
Coal is still the easiest way to bring reliable power to the masses.
Space travel is expensive. Musk has never asked us for a dime to continue his desires to innovate in space.
Now here's a swing on things.....if this can happen, do you really own it...
www.businessinsider.com
Tesla will sue you for $50,000 if you try to resell your Cybertruck in the first year
Tesla may agree to buy the truck back at the original price minus "$0.25/mile driven" and any damages and repairs.
www.businessinsider.com
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Not shocked at all. Musk has duped a lot people who bought his cars, then extorting them afterwards.Now here's a swing on things.....if this can happen, do you really own it...
Tesla will sue you for $50,000 if you try to resell your Cybertruck in the first year
Tesla may agree to buy the truck back at the original price minus "$0.25/mile driven" and any damages and repairs.
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