Gen 3 Performance
- Thread starter Robert 0046
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If you can get a full build motor done for 6 K , you might want to share ... Moore went everything done on that motor including bigger cc , rods , gearbox , cyl head , maybe even marine crank . For us , usually think of a number , then double it .
Very nice looking bike 
And the right color
And the right color
michael parris heuberger
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Hi. Crank $3,400.00, head $4,000.00, case mods $1,000.00, pistons $750.00, custom Carrillo rods I got them at dealer $1, 400.00, Do you want to include the 1 trans? 2 And clutch? And the 3 ECU? 4 PLENUM. 1 $3,700.00 2 $3,500.00 3 $2,000.00 4 $3,825.00 injectors $2,100.00 making the injectors fit the plenum correctly ???.
QFry
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3.4k for a crank? And 4k for head work?
Good lord...that sounds like the same price gouging that was going on with SR20s back in the day.
Did you notice that at 1:40 or so he says "We couldn't get into the factory ECU and I got tired of waiting..."
QFry
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I wouldn't read too much into that other than they got tired of waiting. I don't believe they were going to wait long anyways since they have plenty of gen3's they can tune when the ECU is cracked and being at the front of the pack for having a built Gen3 is only something they can do once to capitalize on it.
PeregrineKeith
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Agreed, when they were in Mexico for some 9/10ths fun, Mike said that both their bikes would probably be Motec bikes soon if the ECU wasn’t cracked. Seems now that Chris’ bike was probably already getting the treatment while he was here. Mikes bike was here so I bet he’s next.
I agree, except that the EURO5 regs clearly say the bike has to be hackproof. It could be that modding your Gen 3 will involve an aftermarket ECU, not just a PC5 as with previous generations. That would move the entry cost from $500 to $1,500. Not the end of the world and in many ways a better end product and more possibilities than ever before.
I think a lot of Gen 3 buyers were planning mods right away. People are going to be pretty impatient to wait 3-4 years only to get basic options. I think a lot would go for an aftermarket ECU even at the high price if it was plug and play and it freed them to do anything they wanted to the bike from there.
Could be we have to look at this differently with the Gen 3. Anyway, when they figure it out, I'll buy one! haha.
The ECU in my Ram truck is unable to be hacked, a couple companies have developed a "piggy back" ECU.
Perhaps this is the same sort of thing?
Well in a sense a PC5 is a piggyback ECU, if limited. A new ECU would give you total control over all the bells and whistles. Like adjustments to the QS, or launch control on top of the usual engine control stuff. I'm starting to see the new ECU as the best route to go. Seems the tuners are reaching that conclusion as I see a lot of development in this direction. I wonder if the ECU guys might make a simpler ECU that costs less for tuners to program and sell as kits?
Perhaps, for now the Motec system seems the way to go.....
If they can't crack the ECU that is.....it took a long time to crack the H2 ECU...was it Euro 5?
Nothing is hack proof...and if Suzuki somehow managed that...they'll soon be government contractors...
The ECU in my truck is not able to be hacked.....either that or nobody cares enough to hack...yet they cared enough to make a piggy back ECU.
Suzuki doesn't make the ECUs either.
It comes down to how much effort to do so is cost effective.
If everything is hard-wired, you can't reprogram it. Most ECUs now are just computers running on some type of OS, so they can be hacked. But it's possible to make a computer that would simply not be worth the trouble to hack it. It could be that some of these tuners have already realized it's easier to program a new ECU and have abetter system in the end.
ottafish
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I was thinking of this this morning..
What is the ROI for the time taken to 'crack' a Gen3 ECU?
At what point do the "hackers / coders" realise that the time invested isn't going to add to the bottom line of the business that has invested time to do the hacking.
Is there enough world sales of the Gen3 to warrant time and investment to crack the ECU?
As everyone keeps saying, the big bikes are a dying breed and only appeal to a small segment of the market.
If they are using them for drag racing, then I would assume most would go to a aftermarket ECU anyway if they are serious?
I'm holding out hope based on Brock saying it took a year and a half to crack the H2...and I think the Busa hype is bigger than the H2's.
Also, if you don't have to pay $400-$500 for a Power Commander or Bazzaz to tune air/fuel...or a couple grand+ for a potential future plug and play Motec or similiar.
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