It just doesn't stop

Bidden is what? Too old, showing signs of senility, father of a man with questionable ethics...check check and check.
A racist? White supremacist?
Explain please.
Then:
Way back in 1977, he said that forced busing to desegregate schools would cause his children to “grow up in a racial jungle.”

A couple years ago:
‘If you don’t know who to vote for than you ain’t black’


He’s been a racist elite white man all his life.
 
Looks like they got him.
Doesn’t matter what political side you’re on there is just something wrong with a guy who’s been deported four times, beat his wife, had restraining orders against him, still owned guns?, had cops called on him before and still owned guns? and still be here in the country.

This’ll turn out to be another sad event that law enforcement could have prevented
 
All the victims were from Honduras
Shooter is from Mexico
When this story fades away quickly it will confirm my suspicion he was here illegally and not even allowed to own a gun.
He shot everyone in the head. He’s used to violence. Probably been deported more then once already and has cartel ties.

That’s some Olympic level of jumping to conclusions.

You were saying?

To the T!
 
Bidden is what? Too old, showing signs of senility, father of a man with questionable ethics...check check and check.
A racist? White supremacist?
Explain please.
When Donald Trump sends troops the border he is called all those things. When Biden does it, he is not doing anything different. Suddenly it's not about be racist. Now it's about protecting our borders.
 
I know that "FACTS" are not a very popular thing around here, just ask @TallTom about the senate.gov voting records I posted. Haven't heard a peep from him on that thread since.

I think if our conversations were more based on fact and statistics versus just national news talking points from the right or left we might get more done or at least understand each other more and that is a start. For example, I like the fact that Trump instituted, the "Migrant Protection Protocols" that required asylum seekers and migrants to remain in Mexico while their paperwork was being processed. At least on the surface it makes sense to me.

I also like that the Biden administration proposed a bill to address central American countries in need of aid. I don't know that just throwing money at corrupt governments is a good idea but at least it should start a debate to try and treat the problem. In the United States we tend to treat symptom's not the actual problem. Gun violence and borders are a great example of this. Build a wall, that will fix everything. Having lived a 20 minute drive (less the way the crow flies) from the border for 8 years I can tell you firsthand a wall isn't going to do anything.
Oh. You wanted me respond? If I remember we were discussing why Clinton didn't VETO a bill if it was a bad idea. What facts are in dispute? Isn't that fact? You went off on why he couldn't VETO because it would have been overridden. I think we discussed that a presidential VRTO has been overridden once in history.

Any if that in dispute?

What other facts would you care to discuss?
 
Little wonder there is so much division in the US with a statement of people hating the left...this could equate to people also hating the right....

Hate is never a good thing and leads to other actions less favorable to democracy....

It's fortunate the bulk of citizens hang around in the middle or the US would already be delved into a civil war and subsequent failed state nation.
People do hate the right Bee. It's been America for decades now. It's just escalating.
 
Then:
Way back in 1977, he said that forced busing to desegregate schools would cause his children to “grow up in a racial jungle.”

A couple years ago:
‘If you don’t know who to vote for than you ain’t black’


He’s been a racist elite white man all his life.
But the memory span is rarely longer than a week for most of them. Whatever the news feeds them this week is the attention span. They forget all the chyt slung at Trump when he got the level of immigrants flooding over the borders to a low. They forget all about how they pushed back hard on those policies. Yeah. That was 2 years ago. Ancient history now.
 
Oh. You wanted me respond? If I remember we were discussing why Clinton didn't VETO a bill if it was a bad idea. What facts are in dispute? Isn't that fact? You went off on why he couldn't VETO because it would have been overridden. I think we discussed that a presidential VRTO has been overridden once in history.

Any if that in dispute?

What other facts would you care to discuss?
My point was it was republicans and dems together you said "Go ahead, find the republicans in this" I did, in the senate overwhelming support from Republicans. And at least in the Senate they had well over 2/3 support so a VETO wouldn't have worked.

Anything else you would like to discuss sir. Those be facts BTW in case you confused.......senate.gov. Go look it up.
 
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People do hate the right Bee. It's been America for decades now. It's just escalating.
My point exactly...the word hate is involved....when citizens place their political alignment above the good of the country, there's where the problem lies and this has been the downfall of many nations...

This sort of rhetoric is spreading globally, as your neighbor to the north, it is spreading quickly here as well especially since many Americans have moved here.
 
But the memory span is rarely longer than a week for most of them. Whatever the news feeds them this week is the attention span. They forget all the chyt slung at Trump when he got the level of immigrants flooding over the borders to a low. They forget all about how they pushed back hard on those policies. Yeah. That was 2 years ago. Ancient history now.
One big issue with Trump is he worked hard at turning people against him....say whatever you want, once the media has your number like they had his, they can make or break you....he kept antagonizing them and they broke him....and they will continue to break him as long as he keeps pissing them off..

I'm not a big fan of most media either but know enough to see the power they can wield...

Trump listened to no one and tried to bull his way through issues....which didn't work out for him. If he would have just quietly worked on developing better border security without all the racial rhetoric, people might have bought into it better....most people would agree something needed to be done but his approach to doing it turned people off...
 
My point exactly...the word hate is involved....when citizens place their political alignment above the good of the country, there's where the problem lies and this has been the downfall of many nations...

This sort of rhetoric is spreading globally, as your neighbor to the north, it is spreading quickly here as well especially since many Americans have moved here.
Can Americans participate in voting for or against a candidate. Do they have anything to do with Trudeau there?
 
One big issue with Trump is he worked hard at turning people against him....say whatever you want, once the media has your number like they had his, they can make or break you....he kept antagonizing them and they broke him....and they will continue to break him as long as he keeps pissing them off..

I'm not a big fan of most media either but know enough to see the power they can wield...

Trump listened to no one and tried to bull his way through issues....which didn't work out for him. If he would have just quietly worked on developing better border security without all the racial rhetoric, people might have bought into it better....most people would agree something needed to be done but his approach to doing it turned people off...
I concur with all of his faults. I also recognize what he accomplished that was overdue. The press skewered him for his border policies. That same press is downplaying the "lack" of border control efforts under Biden.
 
I concur with all of his faults. I also recognize what he accomplished that was overdue. The press skewered him for his border policies. That same press is downplaying the "lack" of border control efforts under Biden.
Trump pissed off the media, and anything he said or tried to do was in their crosshairs....he could have done much more and might have even won the last election if he learned to listen and play ball...but his ego wouldn't let him and it cost him dearly and will continue to cost him...

In order to succeed, you have to adapt, and he just couldn't/can't adapt...
 
Trump pissed off the media, and anything he said or tried to do was in their crosshairs....he could have done much more and might have even won the last election if he learned to listen and play ball...but his ego wouldn't let him and it cost him dearly and will continue to cost him...

In order to succeed, you have to adapt, and he just couldn't/can't adapt...
Trump called out the press for what it was. Fake news. Of course they aren't going to like the truth.
 
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