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Ne govorim Russki, samo govorim Serbski/Hrvatski/Bosenski. Ja znam ti razumijes mene jer ti govoris Russki i sve jedno. Znam li jezik ni je sto, ako razumijes odgovorime...
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It was just an inflammatory statement to stoke the fire a bit. It is meaningless now. Just that it is a fact. I haven't called anyone a racist, just mal-informed.
I lived in SATX during my stint in the USAF. Traveled all around the Rio Grande Valley, Roma, Laredo and ate the barbacoa man I miss those days.
"Don't mess with TEXAS"!
Beautiful country, I tell you.
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Thanks for the complementary remarks. Those based on poor reading and bias are specially entertaining. Don't worry I am not offended. When I meet you I will gladly buy you a beer. We can sit and compare mods on our Busas.
Seriously brother, it's all Bulls**t anyway. And it is all for controversy and possible enlightenment. My bank account doesn't matter nor does where I live because I am actually in Europe doing work for the Government.
I don't think your are a racist, because all of the money you spent on foreign whores taught you it all feels about the same when you boil it all down and close your eyes using your probe instead.
You could use a few more years of experience before responding again, but its okay I expect you to come at me again with another "ricer-fly-by" attempt.
Next time I might really be obvious about making you look like a fool. So just be ready for that boy, you are a child after all aren't you? Your writing skills and sillyness make that very clear. You can tell me to go suck a monkey's c*** if you want to as well. That's fine.
We all really see how immature you are.
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Seriously Pure ego,
You have great points that make your reading comprehension very clear to me.
Let me offer you some constructive criticism. Don't bother with the following disclaimer, "I'm not trying to be an ass".
You have supported your opinion very well. I am not all patronizing you.
Furthermore, I am not bothered, upset, disgruntled, discontent or anything else. I just figured that people ought to know. If you really want statistics, you've got the freedom of information act. That will get you something. I can go to various websites to prove my point. It will just take a little research that's all. I have been entertained so much by this that I haven't thought it necessary yet because this is exactly the kind of intuitive digest that the Board here could benefit from. I just want to learn people's opinions here as well as who is the brainiac and who is not.
Seriously, no harm no foul. I look forward to having a beer with everyone that has contributed to this post. Then if you guys still think that I am a jerk, I will probably be a bit disappointed, because I am not really a jerk. I am just assertive and my communication style bugs a few people because they believe I am angry when I am not...
I will be in the States in August, if we can all come together in a common forum I will buy the drinks. That is a promise.
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So the U.S. can bend the rules for Mexico, partially for Cuba and not at all for Haiti. I'm with snake on this one, fill out the necessary paperwork and respect the system or stay where they are. Post 911 is not the time to try to enter illegally. I can't fault anyone for wanting a better life and what the U.S. has to offer is better than what they're coming for. My question is if you know you're going to, more than likely, gain citizenship, why try to enter illegally? Impatience or too many skeletons?
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Ageed (everything except tequilla since I no longer drink). I'd have to say my dream wife would be Latin African American mix...Salma Hayek/J-lo/Halle/Beyonce.....hmhmhm need to cool off now LOL.I like Taco's...
And
Burrito's
and
Chimi's
and Tortillas...
I love Tequila, and the Sunrise it makes... And if you all promise not to tell anyone I'll even admit to loving Sangria.
I love the Latin women, I love the Tan skin and the healthy booty's, dark hair and Eyes... MMmmMMmMmm.... Stir in a little bit of attitude... Good Stuff.
So I dunno what all the hostility is about... No one but the Native North, South and Central American Indians have any real claim to belonging here. All the rest of our ancestors stole or killed for the Land we live on... Hell, The Spanish and Portugese pretty much wiped out the South and Central American Indians. So unless your a Native, you pretty much got nothing to stand on a podium about.
Nothing. Spanish, Portugese, English, French, etc ARE NOT NATIVE LANGUAGES, they are not native cultures. So lets move on with the undersanding that we all pretty much suck.
Besides, the more we blend, the more we crossbreed, the more we mix and match, the better off the species will be, the stronger and healthier we'll be, OH and the prettier the women will become...
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"I was just trying to bring to the surface factual argument to combat the typical ignorant propaganda about "illegal immigrants"."Outstanding Analysis big Rev.I like Taco's...
And
Burrito's
and
Chimi's
and Tortillas...
I love Tequila, and the Sunrise it makes... And if you all promise not to tell anyone I'll even admit to loving Sangria.
I love the Latin women, I love the Tan skin and the healthy booty's, dark hair and Eyes... MMmmMMmMmm.... Stir in a little bit of attitude... Good Stuff.
So I dunno what all the hostility is about... No one but the Native North, South and Central American Indians have any real claim to belonging here. All the rest of our ancestors stole or killed for the Land we live on... Hell, The Spanish and Portugese pretty much wiped out the South and Central American Indians. So unless your a Native, you pretty much got nothing to stand on a podium about.
Nothing. Spanish, Portugese, English, French, etc ARE NOT NATIVE LANGUAGES, they are not native cultures. So lets move on with the undersanding that we all pretty much suck.
Besides, the more we blend, the more we crossbreed, the more we mix and match, the better off the species will be, the stronger and healthier we'll be, OH and the prettier the women will become...
This is exactly the object of this post...
I am as much mixed European as any Trans Generational American person. I have the Native Indigenous roots as well as European like everybody else. We are all a big mix.
I was just trying to bring to the surface factual argument to combat the typical ignorant propaganda about "illegal immigrants".
Why was it made illegal in the first place? And, for those who argue that the country is filling up, I have seen Colorado, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Kansas, Nevada most of the states and there is plenty of room and food left. Heck, we have given millions of tons of corn and rice and wheat to Africa and other nations. Why not use it to do something here. Because the system is messed up, you don't want me to get started on that one.
So lets just crossbreed and get the women hotter...
I haven't seen any propiganda-- in fact the government is AWOL on the issue for the most part. I dunno where your "factual" arg was, but I may of missed it amongst the fluff...
Laws are simple, break em and you've done something illegal. Immigration laws exist for the protection and welfare of all. Are you saying keeping tabs on who is here and controling the influx of people into a country is propiganda?
"On that note, had we abolished mass legal immigration during your culture's entry into the US then you would have posted a telegraph message around the world complaining."
I'm sure they would of either waited their turn or I would be quite content drinking my latte and riding my dukati in Italy-- thanks. I spend 1/2 my waking days in other countries, most of which I am equally content/happy in.
"Nevada most of the states and there is plenty of room and food left. Heck, we have given millions of tons of corn and rice and wheat to Africa and other nations. Why not use it to do something here. Because the system is messed up, you don't want me to get started on that one."
proj-- pass the pipe mate! Who the heck is their right mind thinks immigration has anythnig to do with food supply and or open space?
"So lets just crossbreed and get the women hotter..."
I'm all for it.
"Once again and again the reason it is not really shut down is because the Government knows these people are valuable to the domestic economy."
I think it has to do more with financial outlays and logistics of actually controlling a border the size of ours....
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Who said anything about bending rules?
The fact is that the US has these systems in place to create the appearance of containment and pursuit of that which the public desires.
The fact that the US does not pursue 100% interdiction of illegals is a question that only the Administration, the Department of Labor, and the Department of Homeland Security may be able to answer but will more than likely not comment on.
The make it illegal. They create the US Border Patrol. They make arrests and deportations of a token amount of illegals. It makes the news. People read and believe it. No one can actually say that the US does nothing to control immigration. The Government looks like it is trying but can't win. Just like they <span style='color:red'>CAN'T</span> win the war on drugs, or the war in iraq, or the war on terror.
It is about employing people to do neverending jobs and paying them to try to win.
They come and pay their dues for Seven years, that is guaranteed citizenship. If the Government didn't want them here they would not make that an option ever, period.
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For that type of lady do this. Next time you go on vacation find one of the Caribbean Islands off the coast of Costa Rica, Venezuela, Colombia, Panama.
You will find one there very easily with exactly the attributes you described. Some of those Islands are actually possesions of the United Kingdom so they speak English. They are all really hot too, blend of African, Anglo, French, and Spanish, oh boy good golly.... yum yum yummy!
Oh, by the way. Salma Hayek is Half Lebanese/Arab. So is Shakira. They just happen to be born and raised in Mexico and Colombia respectively.
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Yeah, its alot of reading and therefore easy to make connections where there were none really implied.
Haven't been smoking though, this is really how I think.
If you had the depth you would understand and really see it truthfully instead of being insulted and in denial of being wrong.
Ego:
if you want to posts some number i'm sure we can all go google the approximate costs of children born to non-legal immigrants that end up getting supported by the government and we'll see if it breaks even... [/QUOTE]
Ask and ye shall receive... (bolded some key points for you, ego, as well as some just interesting points)
from The Center for Immigration Studies:
• Households headed by illegal aliens imposed more than $26.3 billion in costs on the federal government in 2002 and paid only $16 billion in taxes, creating a net fiscal deficit of almost $10.4 billion, or $2,700 per illegal household.
• Among the largest costs are Medicaid ($2.5 billion); treatment for the uninsured ($2.2 billion); food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches ($1.9 billion); the federal prison and court systems ($1.6 billion); and federal aid to schools ($1.4 billion).
• With nearly two-thirds of illegal aliens lacking a high school degree, the primary reason they create a fiscal deficit is their low education levels and resulting low incomes and tax payments, not their legal status or heavy use of most social services.
• On average, the costs that illegal households impose on federal coffers are less than half that of other households, but their tax payments are only one-fourth that of other households.
• Many of the costs associated with illegals are due to their American-born children, who are awarded U.S. citizenship at birth. Thus, greater efforts at barring illegals from federal programs will not reduce costs because their citizen children can continue to access them.
• If illegal aliens were given amnesty and began to pay taxes and use services like households headed by legal immigrants with the same education levels, the estimated annual net fiscal deficit would increase from $2,700 per household to nearly $7,700, for a total net cost of $29 billion.
• Costs increase dramatically because unskilled immigrants with legal status — what most illegal aliens would become — can access government programs, but still tend to make very modest tax payments.
• Although legalization would increase average tax payments by 77 percent, average costs would rise by 118 percent.
• The fact that legal immigrants with few years of schooling are a large fiscal drain does not mean that legal immigrants overall are a net drain — many legal immigrants are highly skilled.
• The vast majority of illegals hold jobs. Thus the fiscal deficit they create for the federal government is not the result of an unwillingness to work.
• The results of this study are consistent with a 1997 study by the National Research Council, which also found that immigrants’ education level is a key determinant of their fiscal impact.
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if you want to posts some number i'm sure we can all go google the approximate costs of children born to non-legal immigrants that end up getting supported by the government and we'll see if it breaks even... [/QUOTE]
Ask and ye shall receive... (bolded some key points for you, ego, as well as some just interesting points)
from The Center for Immigration Studies:
• Households headed by illegal aliens imposed more than $26.3 billion in costs on the federal government in 2002 and paid only $16 billion in taxes, creating a net fiscal deficit of almost $10.4 billion, or $2,700 per illegal household.
• Among the largest costs are Medicaid ($2.5 billion); treatment for the uninsured ($2.2 billion); food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches ($1.9 billion); the federal prison and court systems ($1.6 billion); and federal aid to schools ($1.4 billion).
• With nearly two-thirds of illegal aliens lacking a high school degree, the primary reason they create a fiscal deficit is their low education levels and resulting low incomes and tax payments, not their legal status or heavy use of most social services.
• On average, the costs that illegal households impose on federal coffers are less than half that of other households, but their tax payments are only one-fourth that of other households.
• Many of the costs associated with illegals are due to their American-born children, who are awarded U.S. citizenship at birth. Thus, greater efforts at barring illegals from federal programs will not reduce costs because their citizen children can continue to access them.
• If illegal aliens were given amnesty and began to pay taxes and use services like households headed by legal immigrants with the same education levels, the estimated annual net fiscal deficit would increase from $2,700 per household to nearly $7,700, for a total net cost of $29 billion.
• Costs increase dramatically because unskilled immigrants with legal status — what most illegal aliens would become — can access government programs, but still tend to make very modest tax payments.
• Although legalization would increase average tax payments by 77 percent, average costs would rise by 118 percent.
• The fact that legal immigrants with few years of schooling are a large fiscal drain does not mean that legal immigrants overall are a net drain — many legal immigrants are highly skilled.
• The vast majority of illegals hold jobs. Thus the fiscal deficit they create for the federal government is not the result of an unwillingness to work.
• The results of this study are consistent with a 1997 study by the National Research Council, which also found that immigrants’ education level is a key determinant of their fiscal impact.
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Ask and ye shall receive... (bolded some key points for you, ego, as well as some just interesting points)
from The Center for Immigration Studies:
• Households headed by illegal aliens imposed more than $26.3 billion in costs on the federal government in 2002 and paid only $16 billion in taxes, creating a net fiscal deficit of almost $10.4 billion, or $2,700 per illegal household.
• Among the largest costs are Medicaid ($2.5 billion); treatment for the uninsured ($2.2 billion); food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches ($1.9 billion); the federal prison and court systems ($1.6 billion); and federal aid to schools ($1.4 billion).
• With nearly two-thirds of illegal aliens lacking a high school degree, the primary reason they create a fiscal deficit is their low education levels and resulting low incomes and tax payments, not their legal status or heavy use of most social services.
• On average, the costs that illegal households impose on federal coffers are less than half that of other households, but their tax payments are only one-fourth that of other households.
• Many of the costs associated with illegals are due to their American-born children, who are awarded U.S. citizenship at birth. Thus, greater efforts at barring illegals from federal programs will not reduce costs because their citizen children can continue to access them.
• If illegal aliens were given amnesty and began to pay taxes and use services like households headed by legal immigrants with the same education levels, the estimated annual net fiscal deficit would increase from $2,700 per household to nearly $7,700, for a total net cost of $29 billion.
• Costs increase dramatically because unskilled immigrants with legal status — what most illegal aliens would become — can access government programs, but still tend to make very modest tax payments.
• Although legalization would increase average tax payments by 77 percent, average costs would rise by 118 percent.
• The fact that legal immigrants with few years of schooling are a large fiscal drain does not mean that legal immigrants overall are a net drain — many legal immigrants are highly skilled.
• The vast majority of illegals hold jobs. Thus the fiscal deficit they create for the federal government is not the result of an unwillingness to work.
• The results of this study are consistent with a 1997 study by the National Research Council, which also found that immigrants’ education level is a key determinant of their fiscal impact. [/QUOTE]
Dang...
Guess that is called "Check and Mate"
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No Check yet. That is one 'so-called' study. Let's just go ahead and put it on the table of possible evidence.
Now tell me who awarded the grant (financed) for that study to be undertaken by The Center for Immigration Studies.
Why don't you go ahead and tell me who the directors are at The Center for Immigration Studies.
Tell me their political affiliation.
Tell me their ethnic and religious background.
Then tell me the Grant giver's name, political leanings, ethnic and religious background.
Finally tell me the Ethnic breakdown of the "Immigrants" studied in this report.
Tell me that the study does not focus on Illegal Messicans.
Then try to tell me that the information is 100% verified factual by a multitude of Federal agencies.
Then I will tell you it is biased bulls**t.
Who is so interested in immigration to commission that report?
Let's see, uhm, maybe could it be the MinuteMen, or NeoNazis, or some other group of wealthy silent immigrant haters.
Tit for tat, you show me, I show you.
I'll start packing my bags, or maybe I will just contribute more to the Humanitarian Immigrant Assistance Leagues in the Arizona Desert.
Now tell me who awarded the grant (financed) for that study to be undertaken by The Center for Immigration Studies.
Why don't you go ahead and tell me who the directors are at The Center for Immigration Studies.
Tell me their political affiliation.
Tell me their ethnic and religious background.
Then tell me the Grant giver's name, political leanings, ethnic and religious background.
Finally tell me the Ethnic breakdown of the "Immigrants" studied in this report.
Tell me that the study does not focus on Illegal Messicans.
Then try to tell me that the information is 100% verified factual by a multitude of Federal agencies.
Then I will tell you it is biased bulls**t.
Who is so interested in immigration to commission that report?
Let's see, uhm, maybe could it be the MinuteMen, or NeoNazis, or some other group of wealthy silent immigrant haters.
Tit for tat, you show me, I show you.
I'll start packing my bags, or maybe I will just contribute more to the Humanitarian Immigrant Assistance Leagues in the Arizona Desert.
Projekt
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" From http://www.cis.org/aboutcis.html "
Who we are
The Center for Immigration Studies is an independent, non-partisan, non-profit research organization founded in 1985. It is the nation's only think tank devoted exclusively to research and policy analysis of the economic, social, demographic, fiscal, and other impacts of immigration on the United States.
This is not a branch of Government. So, must I believe that they are honest? The FOIA will give you better insight to counter-argue. If you dislike immigrants do your own seat of the pants research and find out for yourself. Don't come back with another, lazy, googled cut and pasted blurb and have your crony applaud you with a "Dang... Guess that is called "Check and mate"
Who we are
The Center for Immigration Studies is an independent, non-partisan, non-profit research organization founded in 1985. It is the nation's only think tank devoted exclusively to research and policy analysis of the economic, social, demographic, fiscal, and other impacts of immigration on the United States.
This is not a branch of Government. So, must I believe that they are honest? The FOIA will give you better insight to counter-argue. If you dislike immigrants do your own seat of the pants research and find out for yourself. Don't come back with another, lazy, googled cut and pasted blurb and have your crony applaud you with a "Dang... Guess that is called "Check and mate"
Relsek
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I'm not trying to sound disrespectful here but Projeckt, you are beginning to bore me.No Check yet. That is one 'so-called' study. Let's just go ahead and put it on the table of possible evidence.
Now tell me who awarded the grant (financed) for that study to be undertaken by The Center for Immigration Studies.
Why don't you go ahead and tell me who the directors are at The Center for Immigration Studies.
Tell me their political affiliation.
Tell me their ethnic and religious background.
Then tell me the Grant giver's name, political leanings, ethnic and religious background.
Finally tell me the Ethnic breakdown of the "Immigrants" studied in this report.
Tell me that the study does not focus on Illegal Messicans.
Then try to tell me that the information is 100% verified factual by a multitude of Federal agencies.
Then I will tell you it is biased bulls**t.
Who is so interested in immigration to commission that report?
Let's see, uhm, maybe could it be the MinuteMen, or NeoNazis, or some other group of wealthy silent immigrant haters.
Tit for tat, you show me, I show you.
I'll start packing my bags, or maybe I will just contribute more to the Humanitarian Immigrant Assistance Leagues in the Arizona Desert.
I changed my mind, I'm not bored anymore, this translating stuff is fun for a while.
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Relsek
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So, I guess they use a different alphabet huh? How do you pronounce the j, is it like an english H, and the i, is it like the english ee?
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Oh sorry, I forgot. Unless you approve it, it's biased bullshit. Totally forgot.No Check yet. That is one 'so-called' study. Let's just go ahead and put it on the table of possible evidence.
Now tell me who awarded the grant (financed) for that study to be undertaken by The Center for Immigration Studies.
Why don't you go ahead and tell me who the directors are at The Center for Immigration Studies.
Tell me their political affiliation.
Tell me their ethnic and religious background.
Then tell me the Grant giver's name, political leanings, ethnic and religious background.
Finally tell me the Ethnic breakdown of the "Immigrants" studied in this report.
Tell me that the study does not focus on Illegal Messicans.
Then try to tell me that the information is 100% verified factual by a multitude of Federal agencies.
Then I will tell you it is biased bulls**t.
Who is so interested in immigration to commission that report?
Let's see, uhm, maybe could it be the MinuteMen, or NeoNazis, or some other group of wealthy silent immigrant haters.
Tit for tat, you show me, I show you.
I'll start packing my bags, or maybe I will just contribute more to the Humanitarian Immigrant Assistance Leagues in the Arizona Desert.
Yet you come up with nothing to counter it.
Plus (as the last bit points out), this verifies a previous study performed by a completely different group.
Also, as you point out yourself, the group is an unbiased, non-politically affiliated group that is "devoted exclusively to research and policy analysis of the economic, social, demographic, fiscal, and other impacts of immigration on the United States."
You might want to go and check out some of the information on legal immigration and others that they have on their site. They are not biased one way or the other as far as I can tell. But then again, maybe that's because I'm not biased one way or the other.
You unfortunately are. And you consistent biased baiting with no real substance to back it up is both annoying and very, very boring.
Oh hell... I think I just defined you as a troll.
Ok, lets make this as simple as possible.
"ILLEGAL" IMMIGRANTS
No studies are needed, no justifications are justifiable.
Illegal means they are here illegally.
Being here illegally means they are breaking laws
Breaking laws means tax payers are having to pay law enforcement to maintain border security.
Illegal means Illegal. Period. Right off the bat Illegal immigrants are breaking United States laws. Meaning they don’t respect our laws, they come into out country with no regard for our laws.
It is against the law to come into the United States illegally.
Any other arguments / debates to the contrary are totally irrelevant and pointless.
Bottom line. It is against the law. period.
So what part of "Illegal" is not understood?
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"ILLEGAL" IMMIGRANTS
No studies are needed, no justifications are justifiable.
Illegal means they are here illegally.
Being here illegally means they are breaking laws
Breaking laws means tax payers are having to pay law enforcement to maintain border security.
Illegal means Illegal. Period. Right off the bat Illegal immigrants are breaking United States laws. Meaning they don’t respect our laws, they come into out country with no regard for our laws.
It is against the law to come into the United States illegally.
Any other arguments / debates to the contrary are totally irrelevant and pointless.
Bottom line. It is against the law. period.
So what part of "Illegal" is not understood?
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Projekt
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So let's get all of the unemployed, homeless, vets, and able-bodied welfare recipients to patrol the border. That multi-million strong group of people ought to be enough. Right?
Projekt
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The latin alphabet is used by Croats and Bosniaks. Serbs use the Cyrillic alphabet. Cyrillic is similar to Russian but not quite the same.
Oh and since you asked later I decided to amend this post,
the j is like a y as in yes. For example jest sounds like yest and means it is or its so. Ja is I am and sounds like ya.
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