Looks like a war is looming in Israel

Lol. Good we can agree then. Stop sending humanitarian aide into Palestine. We are fools to believe it's helping anyone except the Hamas Jihad plans.

If Israel controls everything, somehow I see them using earth moving equipment that use diesel. And I'm sure I saw them using fire hoses to fight the fires. Looked like that was water coming out. But I'm probably wrong. Iran pumped water in from across the desert.
The water you saw was not potable. 2 million people in Gaza. Hamas and its supporters are a small fraction of that. But sure let’s align ourselves with the colonizing oppressor and watch them murder all of them. Who cares? According to the Zionists they are cockroaches anyway.
 
The water you saw was not potable. 2 million people in Gaza. Hamas and its supporters are a small fraction of that. But sure let’s align ourselves with the colonizing oppressor and watch them murder all of them. Who cares? According to the Zionists they are cockroaches anyway.
Oh I gotcha now. Pretty convenient that Israel can cut off potable water but not non potable. I'd think if they were cockroaches they wouldn't allow for sewage disposal. Just to make them suffer even more.

Hamas is the government there. Doesn't really matter what the % of people feel. Hamas is converting humanitarian infrastructure, meant for it's people, into missiles. Subjecting that population to being treated like cockroaches now.
 
Oh I gotcha now. Pretty convenient that Israel can cut off potable water but not non potable. I'd think if they were cockroaches they wouldn't allow for sewage disposal. Just to make them suffer even more.

Hamas is the government there. Doesn't really matter what the % of people feel. Hamas is converting humanitarian infrastructure, meant for it's people, into missiles. Subjecting that population to being treated like cockroaches now.
I do no disagree. Hamas is using some as you say. It’s not right.
Hamas is and has used civilian structures to launch attacks on Israel. That is also not right. There are plenty of verified quotes from former prime ministers, leaders of the IDF and prominent Israelis calling the Palestinians cockroaches. The Israeli mindset has always been that they are subhuman.
I think we all know ‘rooting out Hamas’ with a ground invasion is simply fantasy. The only thing are going to accomplish is more destruction, more innocent people killed than Hamas and to create another generation of hatred.
Like Ukraine I don’t think we should be involved in either. People here can hardly afford to live and here goes another $100 billion to foreign countries. Enough is enough.
 
There are plenty of verified quotes from former prime ministers, leaders of the IDF and prominent Israelis calling the Palestinians cockroaches. The Israeli mindset has always been that they are subhuman.
Except you post videos of a Palestinian father teaching his young son to throw rocks at the Israeli troops. And yet they weren't shot, beaten, extinguished, treated as sub-humans. Kind of hard to keep track of just who is being defended and who isn't.
 
Except you post videos of a Palestinian father teaching his young son to throw rocks at the Israeli troops. And yet they weren't shot, beaten, extinguished, treated as sub-humans. Kind of hard to keep track of just who is being defended and who isn't.
If you have nothing else what else are you to use? There are plenty of videos that show what you ask for. I lived in Beirut early 80s when the IDF came in. Seen things I’m sure jelly would doubt and I’d rather not post.
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Calling these brutal folks Cockroaches would be a complement.
Assume much? I must have missed the suspects name and motive in the article? A woman got murdered in wait for it……..Detroit….Murder City.
That’s ALL you know.
 
If you have nothing else what else are you to use? There are plenty of videos that show what you ask for. I lived in Beirut early 80s when the IDF came in. Seen things I’m sure jelly would doubt and I’d rather not post.

Assume much? I must have missed the suspects name and motive in the article? A woman got murdered in wait for it……..Detroit….Murder City.
That’s ALL you know.
What did you do in Lebanon?
 
If you have nothing else what else are you to use? There are plenty of videos that show what you ask for. I lived in Beirut early 80s when the IDF came in. Seen things I’m sure jelly would doubt and I’d rather not post.
Hard to compare the IDF to Hamas who are a known terror organization that ranks up there with Hezbollah, Taliban and ISIS to name a few...

I've been on the receiving end of this ideology and it's never pretty...if the IDF are conducting less than above the board operations, I'd say those were spawned by the level of violence used against them..

Beirut was a nasty place in the '80s, as a westerner, it was worth your life to be there...
 
Hard to compare the IDF to Hamas who are a known terror organization that ranks up there with Hezbollah, Taliban and ISIS to name a few...

I've been on the receiving end of this ideology and it's never pretty...if the IDF are conducting less than above the board operations, I'd say those were spawned by the level of violence used against them..

Beirut was a nasty place in the '80s, as a westerner, it was worth your life to be there...
Saiid and I have very different backgrounds, I realized earlier that it is not worth the effort, as we will never be able to be on the same page.

My roots come from Prussia (1741), before it became Germany and it ended up in South Africa. In the early 1970’s I was in the military, in action both in Angola and Namibia, fighting terrorism and the Soviets who trained and supported various terrorist organizations. Cuba was also involved as the enemy, leaving me with some scars as a memory. We had a very strong military alliance with Israel, we helped them, they helped us. First class very competent folks with first world values. I am today an American and the country I fought for and left behind, is a friend of Russia and China, sadly.

Saiid has his roots from Damascus, capital of Syria, friends with Putin, Kim Jong Un, where ISIS found a home, Hizbollah etc.

Peace between the Jews, the Arabs and Persians, is a novel idea. Peace between the Western world, the Arabs and the Persians remain a challenge.
 
What did you do in Lebanon?
I was 12. I survived two years of civil war between like twenty factions fighting amongst themselves and the IDF in the middle of it.
Hard to compare the IDF to Hamas who are a known terror organization that ranks up there with Hezbollah, Taliban and ISIS to name a few...

I've been on the receiving end of this ideology and it's never pretty...if the IDF are conducting less than above the board operations, I'd say those were spawned by the level of violence used against them..

Beirut was a nasty place in the '80s, as a westerner, it was worth your life to be there...
It wasn’t a comparison. I mentioned no one else. It was a statement.
Saiid and I have very different backgrounds, I realized earlier that it is not worth the effort, as we will never be able to be on the same page.

My roots come from Prussia (1741), before it became Germany and it ended up in South Africa. In the early 1970’s I was in the military, in action both in Angola and Namibia, fighting terrorism and the Soviets who trained and supported various terrorist organizations. Cuba was also involved as the enemy, leaving me with some scars as a memory. We had a very strong military alliance with Israel, we helped them, they helped us. First class very competent folks with first world values. I am today an American and the country I fought for and left behind, is a friend of Russia and China, sadly.

Saiid has his roots from Damascus, capital of Syria, friends with Putin, Kim Jong Un, where ISIS found a home, Hizbollah etc.

Peace between the Jews, the Arabs and Persians, is a novel idea. Peace between the Western world, the Arabs and the Persians remain a challenge.
Where my roots are on my fathers side has zero to do with it and does not in any way negate anything I’ve said or stated with regards to Israel not being innocent in this. Everything I posted is historical fact. You believe one side is completely innocent, never done anything wrong and there is no reason for anyone to oppose them, hate them or wish them harm
People like you and their blind faith who can’t even simply admit both sides have committed same atrocities are why we are still in this mess.

She said it not me.
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I was 12. I survived two years of civil war between like twenty factions fighting amongst themselves and the IDF in the middle of it.

It wasn’t a comparison. I mentioned no one else. It was a statement.

Where my roots are on my fathers side has zero to do with it and does not in any way negate anything I’ve said or stated with regards to Israel not being innocent in this. Everything I posted is historical fact. You believe one side is completely innocent, never done anything wrong and there is no reason for anyone to oppose them, hate them or wish them harm
People like you and their blind faith who can’t even simply admit both sides have committed same atrocities are why we are still in this mess.

She said it not me.
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Please read my first paragraph again.
 
If you have nothing else what else are you to use? There are plenty of videos that show what you ask for. I lived in Beirut early 80s when the IDF came in. Seen things I’m sure jelly would doubt and I’d rather not post.
Make no mistake. I never said the Israelis play nice. I've already said in this thread that if we didn't call them an ally, we'd call them terrorist. The Middle East has always been brutal and violent. It's what they understand best. They aren't interested in cutting anyone "slack". If you are a pacifist, you will be eliminated.
 
Make no mistake. I never said the Israelis play nice. I've already said in this thread that if we didn't call them an ally, we'd call them terrorist. The Middle East has always been brutal and violent. It's what they understand best. They aren't interested in cutting anyone "slack". If you are a pacifist, you will be eliminated.
These are is questions I don’t have answers for….

It doesn’t take a PhD to figure this out.

If you have a papa and mama poisonous snake in your backyard, with a bunch of babies who just hatched, do you try and live with them? Then you get bitten by papa snake and you almost die. Do you just kill papa snake, because the rest of them are innocent? Or do you accept that you are going to be bitten again and again, with death being imminent? Or do you sell your house and move somewhere else? What do you do if you have nowhere else to go?

Don’t know if it was right or wrong, but I know the decision we made when we bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Then there are the laws of nature, which is simply survival of the fittest. Perhaps that is also unfair?
 
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I was 12. I survived two years of civil war between like twenty factions fighting amongst themselves and the IDF in the middle of it.

It wasn’t a comparison. I mentioned no one else. It was a statement.

Where my roots are on my fathers side has zero to do with it and does not in any way negate anything I’ve said or stated with regards to Israel not being innocent in this. Everything I posted is historical fact. You believe one side is completely innocent, never done anything wrong and there is no reason for anyone to oppose them, hate them or wish them harm
People like you and their blind faith who can’t even simply admit both sides have committed same atrocities are why we are still in this mess.

She said it not me.
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They said or not me.
Hi. You may have seen things that no one should see. As I have seen and done things that no should. To this day they are still in my mind and can come back to me at anytime. I suffer from PTSD as I was in Nam for almost 2 1/2 years. There are things that I just can not say here. You do what you have to do to keep yourself and others alive.. They were correct whe they said wär is hell. I was stabed in my hand in hand to hand combat on my 1st mission. On my last mission I was hit by sharpnel from a Chinies 51 cal machine gun as it hit skid on my bird I was a door gunner in the 1st cav. The 2 pieces are still next to my spine. I came home and spent almost the next 2 yrs in a wheelchair. Things like this can build hate between people. In a fight what would you to stay alive and keep you friends and love ones alive? I would say anything that you can. You see I have been there and had to do it to stay alive.
 
Hi. You may have seen things that no one should see. As I have seen and done things that no should. To this day they are still in my mind and can come back to me at anytime. I suffer from PTSD as I was in Nam for almost 2 1/2 years. There are things that I just can not say here. You do what you have to do to keep yourself and others alive.. They were correct whe they said wär is hell. I was stabed in my hand in hand to hand combat on my 1st mission. On my last mission I was hit by sharpnel from a Chinies 51 cal machine gun as it hit skid on my bird I was a door gunner in the 1st cav. The 2 pieces are still next to my spine. I came home and spent almost the next 2 yrs in a wheelchair. Things like this can build hate between people. In a fight what would you to stay alive and keep you friends and love ones alive? I would say anything that you can. You see I have been there and had to do it to stay alive.
Hi. OH I was awarded 66 metals for all the terrible things that I had to do. Like 2 Purple Harts a Bronze Star with a V. The V is for Valɔr as I stated behind and faces over 50 VC alone with my M 60 but that is a hole nother story that is when zi got staded in my hand in hand to hand.
 
Hi. You may have seen things that no one should see. As I have seen and done things that no should. To this day they are still in my mind and can come back to me at anytime. I suffer from PTSD as I was in Nam for almost 2 1/2 years. There are things that I just can not say here. You do what you have to do to keep yourself and others alive.. They were correct whe they said wär is hell. I was stabed in my hand in hand to hand combat on my 1st mission. On my last mission I was hit by sharpnel from a Chinies 51 cal machine gun as it hit skid on my bird I was a door gunner in the 1st cav. The 2 pieces are still next to my spine. I came home and spent almost the next 2 yrs in a wheelchair. Things like this can build hate between people. In a fight what would you to stay alive and keep you friends and love ones alive? I would say anything that you can. You see I have been there and had to do it to stay alive.
It probably didn't help much that you weren't welcomed home by your citizens and then the US had to flee Vietnam in a hasty retreat.

I've recently read something that one of the vets said the Vietnamese government invited a bunch of them to a memorial in Vietnam and treated them very well....better than their own government did...

I had a couple people (Canadians) I knew well who went to Vietnam in the US military and they never told me what happened over there until after I joined the military myself....one of them was a SEAL and spent most of his time in covert ops, his stories would raise the hair on the back of your neck...

He brought back a souvenir though-a Vietnamese wife who is an excellent lady....she kept him sane over the years...
 
Excellent article, a few days old, but factual and to the point:

Note in it, that there is no compromise from Hamas, other than wiping out the existence of an Israeli state. And the people of Gaza elected Hamas as their leadership, I might add.

 
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