Clearly you were bought up by a apartheid regime and know how evil it is and how much the world avoided SA like the plague Isn't Israel reminding you or that exact fate they are pursuing?
Looks like a war is looming in Israel
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jellyrug
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You guys left us with the problem when it was the British Union and it became the Repubkic of South Africa in 1961. You left us with the ANC a terrorist organization back then, targeting civilians and trained by the Soviet Union.
Took us until 1994, to negotiate a peaceful transition and abolish apartheid.
The difference was our people wanted equal rights, whereas the Palestinians want the obliteration of Israel and some here freak out when Israel is held to a different standard as Hamas, while defending themselves.
Actually, you folks did not hate us back then and we mostly beat you in rugby during those times as well. Back then we could visit with a South African Passport, I believe today that is no longer allowed, there is a visa requirement.
michael parris heuberger
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Hi. I read thst 70% of them voted for them. So I would think that they want the same thing.
Actually Russia taught a few blacks to be colonialists to ensure continued exploitation of the blacks of South Africa. The problem with climbing out of the claws of colonial rule is that exploiters will arm the people willing to continue the exploitation, resulting in strong-arm, unsustainable governance. We then say "Those people can't govern themselves." Or they have been fighting for thousands of years. Name a time in the last 3,000 years when Europe wasn't embroiled in a war. Study American history and you go from war to war, going back to day one.
jellyrug
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Back then it wasn’t Russia, it was the Soviet Union. They trained, supported and backed the ANC towards trying to create a revolution in South Africa. Despite all the anti apartheid rhetoric, the Western world and Israel supported South Africa’s apartheid behind the scenes, as they did not want South Africa and the strategic Cape sea route to become a Soviet alliance. Once the Soviet Union was disbanded, the negotiations to abandon apartheid succeeded.
michael parris heuberger
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Hi. Hamas leaders do not even live in Gasa. The top 3 have over 13 billion to me they do not even give 2 ____s about the people in Gasa. There the ones that should be taken out.
what a load of rubbish. white supremacy had been around since the 1920's and the communist party were white unionists fighting for workers rights , blacks were only valued for the worker effort for the giant industrialized south African mining companies, political ideal british or dutch didnt matter, same industrial riches mining the diamonds and gold, remove voting right from blacks even displacement from their land when required,
the south african police were as brutal to the blacks as any other despot country around. Sorry i can say anything good about SA but it took political pressure from countries boycotting your country for the average white joe in SA they thought apartheid was completely normal situation albeit seems why you think the destruction of Palestine seems normal to you
jellyrug
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Well, let’s just say even though I lived there for 42 years, you seem to know more about the country than I do. If you wanted to see true brutality, it was between the Zulus, the Basothos and the Xhosas, but perhaps you know more about that than I do as well?
The ANC even today are best friends with all the adversaries of your country and mine, but maybe you know more about that also?
Racial segregation in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia
Bumblebee
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As per usual, we are seeing lots of Palestinians who are residents of some other country and identify as for example-Palestinian-Canadian so we send in our military and airlift them out-most likely here to Canada so they escape...
Many of whom haven't lived in Canada for years and years but still have a passport....
I can't recall how many times my team and I have had to go do this......and the entitled attitude of the people we rescued was astounding...
Many of whom haven't lived in Canada for years and years but still have a passport....
I can't recall how many times my team and I have had to go do this......and the entitled attitude of the people we rescued was astounding...
Nope I don't know anything about SA except they made history by being on trial by the media. . World news headlines for a decade during the 80s highlighted the brutality on show and the one way justice system in place. start of ultimately the decline in power shifting away from white control by international boycott from anti apartheid countries.. Ultimately it was technology that was SA downfall every 1st world country was bombarded with the powerful Reuters conglomerate current events every night.Well, let’s just say even though I lived there for 42 years, you seem to know more about the country than I do. If you wanted to see true brutality, it was between the Zulus, the Basothos and the Xhosas, but perhaps you know more about that than I do as well?
The ANC even today are best friends with all the adversaries of your country and mine, but maybe you know more about that also?
Racial segregation in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia
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and given a highly respected Steve Biko threw the govt a olive branch in the 70s to collaborate between intellectuals in the black community and white government to find a way forward for the humanity and growth of the country he was brutality beaten to death by the police while in police custody. That didn't help the whites cause for any sympathy by anyone who had a brain.
Money can destroy people's morals and at the time of extremely high standard of living for the whites it came at a cost that they are paying for now
jellyrug
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Did you know that UK did not support the ANC due to their alliance with the Soviet Union?
Did you know that Gorbachev played the biggest part in why the Soviet threat disappeared and negotiations started?
Did you know SA had nuclear capability, dismantled after negotiations and no Soviet threat?
Did you know that homicides per capita today sits second from top of the world countries list, multiple times higher than the 80’s?
Did you know that the unemployment rate today is higher than in 1980?
Did you know that today South Africans need a Visa to enter the UK, wasn’t a requirement until 1994?
Ever heard about the Boston Massacre?
Yep, you are right, you know very little about South Africa and even less about Israel, but you throw judgements around like an Imperial King.
Sorry they beat you at rugby, it probably irks you somewhat.
jellyrug
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^^^^
And from your media.
amp.theguardian.com
And from your media.
Killings of black people in England and Wales at highest level since 2002
105 black people were victims of murder and manslaughter in year up to March 2020
mark3evo
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Black on Black i am afraid^^^^
And from your media.
Killings of black people in England and Wales at highest level since 2002
105 black people were victims of murder and manslaughter in year up to March 2020
Drug and Turf wars , young blacks with knives have to prove themselves to their peer group
Guardian is a left leaning media outlet , that was 3 years ago but its worse now
regarding all the killing of children the media has been silent to the Saudi / Yemeni conflict - we only here what the media want us to hear
11,000
More than 11,000 children killed or injured in Yemen
UNICEF Executive Director Catherine Russell calls for urgent renewal of truce following visit
wars never stop - watch and hear the lyrics from Barry Mcguire
jellyrug
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When it comes to humans, I am color blind, we are all human, irrespective of appearance.
I thought the Brits escaped Imperialism, where they define people by race and color?
mark3evo
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its not racist it is a fact Young blacks are killing young blacks
i am colour blind too
the vid below is 5 years old
mark3evo
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we have
USA administration are now the new Imperialist - go back over the last 50 years of CIA meddling , recent coup d'etat what do you think is happening in the Ukraine with the forever proxy war with Russia
jellyrug
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I thought the US and the UK were staunch allies?
Confused?
How do you equate the support the entire Western world is giving to Ukraine with US Imperialism?
mark3evo
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i am just posing a view ... Ukraine had their Russian leaning president deposed with US were behind the scenes on this one.
i'm sure the good folk of the US and UK are staunch allies = for decades it was a standing joke that UK was the 51st of America
go back 21 years and the WMD Bush and Blair toted and dragged us all into Iraq
No WMD were found - Blair and Bush in effect killed millions with their lies - should have been on court in The Hague
i long stopped believing that our leaders are benevolent long ago
watch this Ukraine Russian bit 10:00 onwards
mark3evo
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Hang on Macka is from New ZealandWell, let’s just say even though I lived there for 42 years, you seem to know more about the country than I do. If you wanted to see true brutality, it was between the Zulus, the Basothos and the Xhosas, but perhaps you know more about that than I do as well?
The ANC even today are best friends with all the adversaries of your country and mine, but maybe you know more about that also?
Racial segregation in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia
Yes I am but I have traveled the world i worked in Isreal, Austria, UK, Turkey, Australia, traveled north Africa most of western Europe, India, south east Asia dropped into Russia for a stopover flight tried some Russian caviar.Hang on Macka is from New Zealand
I met and learned a lot about cultures and people my experience was 99% positive the only thing that I would say that was negative is how arrogant and sometimes stupid American tourists can behave in other societies
