Looks like a war is looming in Israel

[jellyrug]

You would be in the trenches over your blind dismissive loyalty. You have not acknowledged a single crime I cited committed by Israel. They love followers like you. A perfect fool.
No worry because I would not be there.

I thought you said we were done?

How about answering all my questions a few posts up?

Here is another one for you; Show me a country leader in the Middle East who can be said to be free of war crimes?

I know as far as the US getting into trouble, you won't be there to support, as per your last sentence. Figured that out many posts back.

 

[TallTom]

At least someone has an open mind and won’t dismiss history.

We all seem to agree that Hamas is labelled as a terrorist organization. They are the governing body of Palestine. Here is where America plays the stooge.

1st National Bank of America

An excerpt that summarizes:

"As we work toward a negotiated two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, we are also increasing our assistance to the Palestinian people. Since April 2021, the United States has provided over half a billion dollars in assistance for the Palestinians, including more than $417 million in humanitarian assistance for Palestinian refugees through UNRWA, $75 million in support through USAID, and $20.5 million in COVID and Gaza recovery assistance.

The U.S. government plans to provide an additional $75 million in economic assistance to the Palestinian people this year. Additionally, the United States is also providing $45 million for programs to support the security sector including important improvements to the rule of law."

It used to be when the U.S. declared someone a bad actor we cut them off from assistance and carried a big baseball bat around just in case they needed a tune up.

That was then. When things were stable.

Now we fund dysfunction.

 

[Blanca BusaLess]

I thought you said we were done?

How about answering all my questions a few posts up?

Here is another one for you; Show me a country leader in the Middle East who can be said to be free of war crimes?

I know as far as the US getting into trouble, you won't be there to support, as per your last sentence. Figured that out many posts back.

Why would I answer your questions when you’ve completely dismissed mine as well as historical facts? You are a typical liberal. Under the spotlight wanting to point fingers elsewhere. We aren’t talking about other world leaders. I was specifically talking about leaders of Israel and their committed atrocities. You want to deflect and bring up somebody else completely ignoring that.

Here’s a question for you since you seem to be so convinced.
There are probably at least 300 members on my family in Damascus right now.
Of those maybe 50 are Christians. Why haven’t their Muslim relatives killed them yet? Why hasn’t any Muslim there tried to?
Why do they celebrate Christmas in Damascus if they are so intolerant and blood thirsty?
How can one of the largest Christian churches in the Middle East be perfectly fine downtown Damascus with a Christmas tree out front?

It really is amazing that I as a Christian born and raised have not been slaughtered by my Muslim father? Hmmm?

 

[jellyrug]

Why would I answer your questions when you’ve completely dismissed mine as well as historical facts? You are a typical liberal. Under the spotlight wanting to point fingers elsewhere. We aren’t talking about other world leaders. I was specifically talking about leaders of Israel and their committed atrocities. You want to deflect and bring up somebody else completely ignoring that.

Here’s a question for you since you seem to be so convinced.
There are probably at least 300 members on my family in Damascus right now.
Of those maybe 50 are Christians. Why haven’t their Muslim relatives killed them yet? Why hasn’t any Muslim there tried to?
Why do they celebrate Christmas in Damascus if they are so intolerant and blood thirsty?
How can one of the largest Christian churches in the Middle East be perfectly fine downtown Damascus with a Christmas tree out front?
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It really is amazing that I as a Christian born and raised have not been slaughtered by my Muslim father? Hmmm?

Blanca, having your family in Damascus will enable you to answer those questions much better than I can.

I'm pleased to hear that. Although I was not allowed to take a Bible into Saudi Arabia (I built three factories there, Dammam, Riyadh and Jeddah) I was treated extremely well by both my employees, my boss and the general public. People were kind and extremely honest. I can't say the same though about folks from India and the Philippines, as the Saudis did not treat them well and they were discriminated against. I was actually treated much better than one Saudi would treat another, as they had some tribal differences among themselves, which did not apply to me.

I know nothing about Damascus, never been there, but I do know that there are many very kind and good people, being Muslims on this planet.
Does that answer your question?

I had a Brit running our factory in Riyadh and when he left, I appointed a guy who we poached from Procter and Gamble, he was a Saudi, educated in the Kingdom, then did a Masters degree in Wisconsin. We became very good friends, and he did an excellent job for me. However, when I left the Kingdom, he got fired, because our CEO, a Saudi whose family owns a lot equity of in some very large companies here in the US did not like him as he was from a different tribe. So I understand the differences between different tribes, between Sunni and Shia and the friction that causes.

Getting back to Hamas, you are not consistent. Someone said they are a POS and you agreed, however when I tell you what I think of them, you disagree. So I don't know where you stand. What I do know is if a Palestinian disagrees with Hamas, slaughter will probably follow.

I also understand the difference between a democracy and autocracy. The easiest job I ever had, was in the Middle East, as they respected my authority and would do anything I asked without question. Difference here in the US, employees question you, disagree and they are free to express their thoughts and do the job the way they want to do it.

So here is a question, why won't Damascus help and accept the innocent refugees from Gaza, as right now neither the Jews, nor the Palestinians have anywhere else to go and the Israelis clearly have the upper hand where they seem to not be able to live together?

And what happened 40 or 80 years ago, I have no interest in, as this is 2023 and as you say, all those years ago there were probably also two sides of the coin. I support Israel, as the majority of Americans do.

 

[michael parris heuberger]

Blanca, having your family in Damascus will enable you to answer those questions much better than I can.

I'm pleased to hear that. Although I was not allowed to take a Bible into Saudi Arabia (I built three factories there, Dammam, Riyadh and Jeddah) I was treated extremely well by both my employees, my boss and the general public. People were kind and extremely honest. I can't say the same though about folks from India and the Philippines, as the Saudis did not treat them well and they were discriminated against. I was actually treated much better than one Saudi would treat another, as they had some tribal differences among themselves, which did not apply to me.

I know nothing about Damascus, never been there, but I do know that there are many very kind and good people, being Muslims on this planet.
Does that answer your question?

I had a Brit running our factory in Riyadh and when he left, I appointed a guy who we poached from Procter and Gamble, he was a Saudi, educated in the Kingdom, then did a Masters degree in Wisconsin. We became very good friends, and he did an excellent job for me. However, when I left the Kingdom, he got fired, because our CEO, a Saudi whose family owns a lot equity of in some very large companies here in the US did not like him as he was from a different tribe. So I understand the differences between different tribes, between Sunni and Shia and the friction that causes.

Getting back to Hamas, you are not consistent. Someone said they are a POS and you agreed, however when I tell you what I think of them, you disagree. So I don't know where you stand. What I do know is if a Palestinian disagrees with Hamas, slaughter will probably follow.

I also understand the difference between a democracy and autocracy. The easiest job I ever had, was in the Middle East, as they respected my authority and would do anything I asked without question. Difference here in the US, employees question you, disagree and they are free to express their thoughts and do the job the way they want to do it.

So here is a question, why won't Damascus help and accept the innocent refugees from Gaza, as right now neither the Jews, nor the Palestinians have anywhere else to go and the Israelis clearly have the upper hand where they seem to not be able to live together?

Hi. Does anyone here think that Hamas cases if there people get killed? I think they want them to be killed so they can cry to the world about it.

 

[Blanca BusaLess]

Blanca, having your family in Damascus will enable you to answer those questions much better than I can.

I'm pleased to hear that. Although I was not allowed to take a Bible into Saudi Arabia (I built three factories there, Dammam, Riyadh and Jeddah) I was treated extremely well by both my employees, my boss and the general public. People were kind and extremely honest. I can't say the same though about folks from India and the Philippines, as the Saudis did not treat them well and they were discriminated against. I was actually treated much better than one Saudi would treat another, as they had some tribal differences among themselves, which did not apply to me.

I know nothing about Damascus, never been there, but I do know that there are many very kind and good people, being Muslims on this planet.
Does that answer your question?

I had a Brit running our factory in Riyadh and when he left, I appointed a guy who we poached from Procter and Gamble, he was a Saudi, educated in the Kingdom, then did a Masters degree in Wisconsin. We became very good friends, and he did an excellent job for me. However, when I left the Kingdom, he got fired, because our CEO, a Saudi whose family owns a lot equity of in some very large companies here in the US did not like him as he was from a different tribe. So I understand the differences between different tribes, between Sunni and Shia and the friction that causes.

Getting back to Hamas, you are not consistent. Someone said they are a POS and you agreed, however when I tell you what I think of them, you disagree. So I don't know where you stand. What I do know is if a Palestinian disagrees with Hamas, slaughter will probably follow.

I also understand the difference between a democracy and autocracy. The easiest job I ever had, was in the Middle East, as they respected my authority and would do anything I asked without question. Difference here in the US, employees question you, disagree and they are free to express their thoughts and do the job the way they want to do it.

So here is a question, why won't Damascus help and accept the innocent refugees from Gaza, as right now neither the Jews, nor the Palestinians have anywhere else to go and the Israelis clearly have the upper hand where they seem to not be able to live together?

And what happened 40 or 80 years ago, I have no interest in, as this is 2023 and as you say, all those years ago there were probably also two sides of the coin. I support Israel, as the majority of Americans do.

I have been consistent in every post here as well as ones from ten years ago or more.
Hamas is full of blood thirsty murderers. So is Israel, Netanyahu to name one. He is the prime minister TODAY and guilty of same atrocities under leadership of Ariel Sharon when both were in the IDF. You can still choose to support Israel. I don’t care. What I do care about is your inability to acknowledge atrocities Israel and the IDF is guilty of. When one ignores what one side has done while pointing the finger at others for doing the same thing it kind reminds me of what the democrats accuse others of when they themselves as are guilty as can be. It hilarious you mention the Saudi discrimination yet ignore what Israel has been doing to the Palestinians for decades long before Hamas was even a thought. You are one sided and close minded. The western media has done a great job on you. Keep up their good work.

 

[WuzzaCBXRider]

…”When one ignores what one side has done while pointing the finger at others for doing the same thing it kind reminds me of what the democrats accuse others of when they themselves as are guilty as can be.”

Yep, you’re consistent alright. You’re never ‘reminded’ of what the republicans accuse others of when they themselves are as guilty as can be.

 

[jellyrug]

I have been consistent in every post here as well as ones from ten years ago or more.
Hamas is full of blood thirsty murderers. So is Israel, Netanyahu to name one. He is the prime minister TODAY and guilty of same atrocities under leadership of Ariel Sharon when both were in the IDF. You can still choose to support Israel. I don’t care. What I do care about is your inability to acknowledge atrocities Israel and the IDF is guilty of. When one ignores what one side has done while pointing the finger at others for doing the same thing it kind reminds me of what the democrats accuse others of when they themselves as are guilty as can be. It hilarious you mention the Saudi discrimination yet ignore what Israel has been doing to the Palestinians for decades long before Hamas was even a thought. You are one sided and close minded. The western media has done a great job on you. Keep up their good work.

OK, most Americans are wrong and you are right.

I answered your question, how about answering mine, think there were four.

I’m a Republican BTW.

 

[Blanca BusaLess]

OK, most Americans are wrong and you are right.

I answered your question, how about answering mine, think there were four.

I’m a Republican BTW.

You didn’t answer anything.
IS ISRAEL GUILTY OF SIMILAR ATROCITIES AS WE JUST SAW AT THE HANDS OF HAMAS?
YES or NO?

America is forever in the pocket and bequest of Israel. This country like you will not ever see any wrong on their part.
Here’s another link I already posted which you ignored.

UN condemned Israel more than all other countries combined in 2022 — monitor

General Assembly resolution backing ICJ probe capped year that saw 15 anti-Israel measures, compared to 13 against rest of world, reinforcing claims of bias at Turtle Bay

www.timesofisrael.com

Seems like the world is right and the only ones who refuse to admit that are you, this country and Israel.

 

[macka]

We all seem to agree that Hamas is labelled as a terrorist organization. They are the governing body of Palestine

well that's a yes and no. Gaza and the west Bank constitute as Palestine. The west bank is under Israeli control and Gaza is under Hamas control, In 1974 the UN recognized the PLO as the “sole and legitimate representative of the Palestinian people”. The Palestinian ambassador to United Nations is a member of the PLO.
Israel have taken 50% of west bank land for its settler program and Palestinians who have defended their lands through nonviolent means are either arrested, imprisoned or shot by Israeli soldiers.

 

[Blanca BusaLess]

well that's a yes and no. Gaza and the west Bank constitute as Palestine. The west bank is under Israeli control and Gaza is under Hamas control, In 1974 the UN recognized the PLO as the “sole and legitimate representative of the Palestinian people”. The Palestinian ambassador to United Nations is a member of the PLO.
Israel have taken 50% of west bank land for its settler program and Palestinians who have defended their lands through nonviolent means are either arrested, imprisoned or shot by Israeli soldiers.

Ssssshh. You’ll be labeled a Hamas supporter saying stuff like that!

 

[Bumblebee]

I draw my personal line in the sand as definitely not a supporter of Hamas as they are a terror organization and deserve nothing but a one way trip to Allah....

I do support and sympathize with the Palestinian people who are oppressed by Hamas....it would be so much simpler if there was a way to separate the two.

The entire Middle East is a very complex world.....one most people in the west could never understand.

 

[jellyrug]

You didn’t answer anything.
IS ISRAEL GUILTY OF SIMILAR ATROCITIES AS WE JUST SAW AT THE HANDS OF HAMAS?
YES or NO?

America is forever in the pocket and bequest of Israel. This country like you will not ever see any wrong on their part.
Here’s another link I already posted which you ignored.

UN condemned Israel more than all other countries combined in 2022 — monitor

General Assembly resolution backing ICJ probe capped year that saw 15 anti-Israel measures, compared to 13 against rest of world, reinforcing claims of bias at Turtle Bay

www.timesofisrael.com

Seems like the world is right and the only ones who refuse to admit that are you, this country and Israel.

Blanca, I don't live in Israel and no, I have never seen anything like this in Israel before. What I see, is what we see in the media here in the US, BBC online is probably where I go most of the time. I do not know of Israel deliberately targeting civilians and taking hostages and basically carrying out the act of Jihad against Palestinians. I'm careful about what I read on the internet, the propaganda and where it comes from. My perception is gained from the media, and it is a perception of Israel's response and condemnation always being at the root of a security issue, where the attack is initiated by the Palestinians and Israel responds, normally disproportionate. Then the attacker becomes the victim and the whole world jumps on the bandwagon.

So my answer is no. ( I have looked at all your links BTW)

I don't think you have much interest in any links you don't post yourself. So I will post this link below, which makes Israel look pretty bad and excluding the murders, confirms a lot of what you are saying. This is probably pretty daring, as I will probably be crucified, but the international community do not understand the brutality of terrorism and Palestine chose Hamas as their leadership. So when you read the article below, how bad Israel is, take note that there is no mention of security concerns and what they have to deal with to survive a safe country.

Here comes the daring part: South Africa is frequently mentioned in this article, due to similarities of an apartheid state and the oppression during apartheid. The problem is that the security issues are never considered. South Africa abolished apartheid in 1994 with voting and equal rights for all. I left in 1996. In 1980, the standard of living gave South Africa around R0.80 to the Dollar. Today it is approaching R20.00 for one Dollar, medical services can today only be afforded by the very wealthy. Electrical supply is load shedding, some places have power for perhaps a few hours a day. Some cities, the water disappears for a few days, with no notice when it will come back on. Last time I looked South Africa ranked #6 on the list of highest homicides per capita in the world. Electricity is supplied by the government, the employees sabotage the equipment as they have an under the table deal with contract companies who make repairs and they make money that way. They appointed a new CEO who was poisoned when he tried to correct the corruption, he became a refugee, now lives in New York. In short, it took 29 years for a first world country with a very high living standard, to become a third world country. We have seen a major exodus of educated and skilled folks leave the country, to New Zealand, Australia, Canada, US, Portugal etc. Unemployment is in the region of 40%.

As with Israel, the international community judged South Africa as terrible, but they had no idea of the tribal wars, the urban unrest, the major security issues and what we had to deal with. I did a lot of business with Israel back in the mid 1995's made good friends and always understood that they were through history rejected by the entire world and have nowhere else to go. My South African experience makes me understand what they are going through, we had the similar problems, never recognized by the media.

So here is the link below, about the bad Israel, but almost nowhere security issues are mentioned. I would hate to see Israel go the same place South Africa did, but in the latter there was really no choice, as we were a minority.

Israeli apartheid - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[macka]

The entire Middle East is a very complex world.....one most people in the west could never understand.

it's no more difficult to understand than the roman empire, Genghis Khan empire, more recently the English and Dutch, Portuguese and French colonies, Even hitler wanted a part of Europe, it all starts with ego

 

[Bumblebee]

it's no more difficult to understand than the roman empire, Genghis Khan empire, more recently the English and Dutch, Portuguese and French colonies, Even hitler wanted a part of Europe, it all starts with ego

I'd say it is....there are complex ideologies, cultures, religions and territories all at work in the Middle East....

Multiple Muslim factions all working within one region, I've spent more time than I'd like to remember navigating many of these and it wasn't easy.....our teams tried not to follow the "kick down the door" policy wherever we could....having the people on our side was often very helpful.....

I was in the former Yugoslavia and witnessed the atrocities that happened there between people who were once neighbors and fellow countrymen....but even the Muslims of Bosnia were predictable and not extremists.

 

[jellyrug]

You didn’t answer anything.
IS ISRAEL GUILTY OF SIMILAR ATROCITIES AS WE JUST SAW AT THE HANDS OF HAMAS?
YES or NO?

America is forever in the pocket and bequest of Israel. This country like you will not ever see any wrong on their part.
Here’s another link I already posted which you ignored.

UN condemned Israel more than all other countries combined in 2022 — monitor

General Assembly resolution backing ICJ probe capped year that saw 15 anti-Israel measures, compared to 13 against rest of world, reinforcing claims of bias at Turtle Bay

www.timesofisrael.com

Seems like the world is right and the only ones who refuse to admit that are you, this country and Israel.

Not mine, from the news, but he also says NO

Former Israeli Ambassador to the United Nations Dan Gillerman shared his insights into the escalating Israeli-Palestinian conflict in Gaza with "The Story" host Martha MacCallum.

"Unfortunately, I've witnessed many wars, including the Six-Day War, the Yom Kippur War and the Second Lebanon War …but this is truly different. In fact, much worse and horrendous than even the Yom Kippur War, because what we've witnessed this time is animals…They are wild beasts," Gillerman responds to MacCallum's inquiry on his perspective.

"They came in, they mutilated bodies, they beheaded babies, they raped women…Hamas, this time, made ISIS look like Mother Teresa," he expressed. "I think this will go all the way until we obliterate and diminish, not just diminish, but demolish Hamas."

Gillerman continued, "We will not stop until the last Hamas terrorist and the last Hamas leader has met the 72 virgins they yearn to join in heaven."

Host Martha MacCallum shared her perspective, "Backed by Iran, [Hamas has] tried to wipe Israel off the face of the earth, and now Israel has a similar mission toward Hamas. It is a terrible time for that region."

The former ambassador concludes the interview, "We all know that Hamas is a proxy of Iran; this was, I think, initiated by Iran…They do not wish to see peace in the Middle East. They want to see carnage and will do everything to sabotage [peace agreements in the Middle East]."

 

[Blanca BusaLess]

For the one who said it could be internet lore or whatever doubt he had.
Pay attn to the 5:00 min mark and see who’s seated next to who.
Pay attn to 6:00 min mark and listen

So much uproar from people over recent events when they don’t even know the catalysts of them.

 

[sixpack577]

Why would I answer your questions when you’ve completely dismissed mine as well as historical facts? You are a typical liberal. Under the spotlight wanting to point fingers elsewhere. We aren’t talking about other world leaders. I was specifically talking about leaders of Israel and their committed atrocities. You want to deflect and bring up somebody else completely ignoring that.

Here’s a question for you since you seem to be so convinced.
There are probably at least 300 members on my family in Damascus right now.
Of those maybe 50 are Christians. Why haven’t their Muslim relatives killed them yet? Why hasn’t any Muslim there tried to?
Why do they celebrate Christmas in Damascus if they are so intolerant and blood thirsty?
How can one of the largest Christian churches in the Middle East be perfectly fine downtown Damascus with a Christmas tree out front?
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It really is amazing that I as a Christian born and raised have not been slaughtered by my Muslim father? Hmmm?

I'm not getting into this arguement, but just have a curiosity question for you Saiid.
You said you were born a Christian, and have a Muslim father who is accepting of that.
Of course stereotypes can wreck alot of peope's judgements, and that there are different belife systems among Christians and Muslims alike, but, it just sounds like a rare occurance to me, and I would *assume* many others.
I also imagine that gives a rare perspective on the world.
Care to elaborate on that any more?

 

[jellyrug]

For the one who said it could be internet lore or whatever doubt he had.
Pay attn to the 5:00 min mark and see who’s seated next to who.
Pay attn to 6:00 min mark and listen

So much uproar from people over recent events when they don’t even know the catalysts of them.

Yep, nothing more brutal and barbaric when Arabs fight Arabs. We had the exact same problems in South Africa back in the 80’s. When the Zulus attacked the Xhosa’s, it was so brutal that the only resolve was to stay on the sidelines otherwise get attacked by both sides.

Sad that over 40 years later, the Palestinians are even more brutal than back then. Absolutely no value to human lives.

Check out the video below. I think there are four Democrats who stand with your opinion. You going to vote Democrat now?

Sorry linky did not work.
Was just Mike Pence, saying how important it is to stand with Israel and they have to wipe out Hamas.

Google Pence on Fox to see it.

 

[Blanca BusaLess]

Yep, nothing more brutal and barbaric when Arabs fight Arabs. We had the exact same problems in South Africa back in the 80’s. When the Zulus attacked the Xhosa’s, it was so brutal that the only resolve was to stay on the sidelines otherwise get attacked by both sides.

Sad that over 40 years later, the Palestinians are even more brutal than back then. Absolutely no value to human lives.

Check out the video below. I think there are four Democrats who stand with your opinion. You going to vote Democrat now?

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Even more barbaric when Jews organize it, watch it and do nothing to stop it.
Guess you missed who was directing it and later indicted over it.
Ariel Sharon. Doesn’t sound too Arabic to me?

Israeli strike on Gaza convoy fleeing on approved route 'kills 70'

A statement from Al Qassam Brigades on its Telegram channel said the captives were killed 'because of the zionist bombardment on the areas they were staying in'.

www.dailymail.co.uk

You hoped for more than 400 the other day. Are you happy now?