Looks like a war is looming in Israel

[jellyrug]

Modern militaries fight a 3 block war where they conduct war fighting, humanitarian aid and peacekeeping during the same operation....

It doesn't surprise me that the US is dictating this be followed, normally NATO or the UN would be the enforcer of this being done but the relationship between Israel and the US has made Israel more dependent on the US and therefore more susceptible to American influence...

The sad part of this is Israel is not alone in it's dependency of other nations....the US itself is very reliant on foreign countries who could influence US policy if they decided to with hold goods and commodities,

That seems to be the plan.

So, my next innocent questions then are:

If the enemy is not in uniform, cannot be identified as a soldier, is present among civilians, uses civilians as human shields, is the humanitarian aid not shared with civilians and the enemy? In short, is Israel being forced to both supporting the enemy and fighting the enemy at the same time, meaning this will just continue forever?

And the next question is how many Palestinians are actually innocent?

The final question is, if there was zero humanitarian aid, what would be the chances that the Palestinians would have forced Hamas to surrender and this would have been over by now?

 

[Duro5341]

If the enemy is not in uniform, cannot be identified as a soldier, is present among civilians, uses civilians as human shields, is the humanitarian aid not shared with civilians and the enemy? In short, is Israel being forced to both supporting the enemy and fighting the enemy at the same time, meaning this will just continue forever?

And the next question is how many Palestinians are actually innocent?

The final question is, if there was zero humanitarian aid, what would be the chances that the Palestinians would have forced Hamas to surrender and this would have been over by now?

As much as everyone doesn't like to say it, this is the ONLY way to end this war once and for all.........................If Hamas wants to hide among citizens, and use innocent citizens as human shields, then it's time Israel and the west use bullets that will penetrate both the shield AND the terrorist behind them.

It's time Israel and the west show citizens what is really happening, and if citizens want it to stop they can either pick up arms themselves and become the terrorists OR expel hamas from their towns or shoot them themselves before they are shot for them.

It's time Israel force reality among these people, and force them to make a choice...................................They either take their towns and cities back from the terrorists, or become the terrorists themselves and we'll glass them all. Make your choice now, and live with the consequences.

Cameron

 

[Bumblebee]

That seems to be the plan.

So, my next innocent questions then are:

If the enemy is not in uniform, cannot be identified as a soldier, is present among civilians, uses civilians as human shields, is the humanitarian aid not shared with civilians and the enemy? In short, is Israel being forced to both supporting the enemy and fighting the enemy at the same time, meaning this will just continue forever?

And the next question is how many Palestinians are actually innocent?

The final question is, if there was zero humanitarian aid, what would be the chances that the Palestinians would have forced Hamas to surrender and this would have been over by now?

That's the million dollar question right there.....

How is the enemy identified and separated from the population?

Often times media calls the shots....picture after picture of war zones and the population occupying them are sent across the world generating a call for action.......and the terror groups play on this-where there should be condemnation and outrage....there is sympathy....

 

[Bumblebee]

As much as everyone doesn't like to say it, this is the ONLY way to end this war once and for all.........................If Hamas wants to hide among citizens, and use innocent citizens as human shields, then it's time Israel and the west use bullets that will penetrate both the shield AND the terrorist behind them.

It's time Israel and the west show citizens what is really happening, and if citizens want it to stop they can either pick up arms themselves and become the terrorists OR expel hamas from their towns or shoot them themselves before they are shot for them.

It's time Israel force reality among these people, and force them to make a choice...................................They either take their towns and cities back from the terrorists, or become the terrorists themselves and we'll glass them all. Make your choice now, and live with the consequences.

Cameron

The psyops plan to activate the general population to turn against their oppressors is a challenge...Israel has been employing this for decades to no avail.....

They have even gone to great lengths to provide train the trainers to the general Palestinian population to assist them in overthrowing Hamas.....

Oddly enough this has failed which leads me to believe the general populace are fully pro-Hamas and have no interest in eradicating their power base...

Pretty hard to fight an entire country without any sort of partisan assistance from within.....

On the other hand Israel doesn't want genocide where they are wantonly killing all citizens who are acting as human shields even if it is willingly...

 

[Bumblebee]

When I was in Afghanistan I said if we got their youth hooked on porn mags and video games they'd be too busy playing with themselves and their games to answer the call at the next Taliban round up.....they'd get to be as lazy as the youth in the west.....


The Afghan general liked that idea......

 

[Duro5341]

The psyops plan to activate the general population to turn against their oppressors is a challenge...Israel has been employing this for decades to no avail.....

Israel has been half ass trying this for decades......................................Time to go all in, as they have NO other choice.

If the citizens choose to pickup arms against you, they are now your enemies and feel free to glass the area with B52 bombers. and the international community can't say anything as those on the ground have made their choice and will now be held accountable for it.

I certainly hope Trump is elected, anything less and this war will only end in the death of thousands US and Israel Soldiers for no reason, other than indecision from an incompetent and weak US administration.

Cameron

 

[Duro5341]

When I was in Afghanistan I said if we got their youth hooked on porn mags and video games they'd be too busy playing with themselves and their games to answer the call at the next Taliban round up.....they'd get to be as lazy as the youth in the west.....

Well when citizens are more concerned with selfish and individual dreams and have NO concept of community or civil responsibility they will NEVER live in a civilized society and don't deserve it either. Like it or not, the west is a modern civilized society because it's citizens understand they have a duty to serve and protect their community and society from enemies both domestic and international and do this without being told to.

Go to ANY small town in Canada or the USA and try to act out like you do in the big city.....................Watch how fast your dealt with even before authorities arrive. In the big city people are afraid to step in, outside the city it's expected you step in and stop it.

Again, I have NO sympathy for those who feel they have NO civil duty to do what is right for others even though it may not benefit themselves. To live in a civilized society, you must be willing to put society over and above your immediate desires.

Cameron

 

[Bumblebee]

Well when citizens are more concerned with selfish and individual dreams and have NO concept of community or civil responsibility they will NEVER live in a civilized society and don't deserve it either. Like it or not, the west is a modern civilized society because it's citizens understand they have a duty to serve and protect their community and society from enemies both domestic and international and do this without being told to.

Go to ANY small town in Canada or the USA and try to act out like you do in the big city.....................Watch how fast your dealt with even before authorities arrive. In the big city people are afraid to step in, outside the city it's expected you step in and stop it.

Again, I have NO sympathy for those who feel they have NO civil duty to do what is right for others even though it may not benefit themselves. To live in a civilized society, you must be willing to put society over and above your immediate desires.

Cameron

There certainly is a price to be paid to live in a safe, secure society....people have to get involved and not just let the authorities do all the heavy lifting.....

That's what is missing in today's societies, people working together to achieve a common goal.

In many cases the signs that say "neighborhood watch" are just that.....signs with no meaning........there used to be people in communities that were certified as safe contacts and had signs in their windows to let people in trouble to know to come to their door for assistance.....I haven't seen one of those signs in years....those sorts of things are missing today.

As more and more big city folk are moving out to the small communities, they bring their big city attitudes with them...the "old days" of neighbor helping neighbor or neighbor policing neighborhoods are long gone....

Even in my early days in the military, we helped each other and knew if someone was having any issues as we spent time getting to know them and supporting them..........today, they are all individuals and members are left to fight their demons by themselves without peer support, that's why there are so many suicides.

 

[jellyrug]

The psyops plan to activate the general population to turn against their oppressors is a challenge...Israel has been employing this for decades to no avail.....

They have even gone to great lengths to provide train the trainers to the general Palestinian population to assist them in overthrowing Hamas.....

Oddly enough this has failed which leads me to believe the general populace are fully pro-Hamas and have no interest in eradicating their power base...

Pretty hard to fight an entire country without any sort of partisan assistance from within.....

On the other hand Israel doesn't want genocide where they are wantonly killing all citizens who are acting as human shields even if it is willingly...

That's the million dollar question right there.....

How is the enemy identified and separated from the population?

Often times media calls the shots....picture after picture of war zones and the population occupying them are sent across the world generating a call for action.......and the terror groups play on this-where there should be condemnation and outrage....there is sympathy....

Agree with all the above, but you did not really answer my questions.

Not that I agree, but Duro made more of an attempt to answer those.

 

[Blanca BusaLess]

Me and about 80 million other people

At least YOU are man enough to admit it. The other 79,999,999 million people actually still think she's earned this or deserving of it and 'can do'.

 

[jellyrug]

At least YOU are man enough to admit it. The other 79,999,999 million people actually still think she's earned this or deserving of it and 'can do'.

I'm not a Trump fan, but there is one thing he says, which I have to agree with 100%

"Even if you don't like me, you really don't have choice, you have to vote for me!!!"

 

[Bumblebee]

Agree with all the above, but you did not really answer my questions.

Not that I agree, but Duro made more of an attempt to answer those.

Your questions are next to impossible to answer.....

You have a terror organization immersed into the general populace of a country where a war is being waged.....the issue is there are vulnerable civilians involved that may or may not be targeted....

As a combat force you are faced with either ignoring the plight of these civilians or treat them as enemy combatants...

The answer is not an easy one to give....

I know in the case of many countries I was in with a similar circumstance, we still provided humanitarian aid but in a controlled setting where we identified the recipients and denied the enemy as much as possible.....knowing full well as soon as we clear the area, the enemy will swoop in and take whatever we gave out....

We set up ambushes to eliminate as many enemy as we could who were doing this and word got out quickly that it was worth their life to rob the citizens...

 

[Red05]

At least YOU are man enough to admit it. The other 79,999,999 million people actually still think she's earned this or deserving of it and 'can do'.

I keep waiting for something truly noteworthy to come out of her mouth. I do feel she's a better choice than the current Biden, and Trump as well.
I think if Michelle Obama had decided to run, this would be no contest.

 

[Duro5341]

Harris can't read anything other than the teleprompter, otherwise she remains in her endless loop until it's fixed.....................She just like Biden is simply the current face of the democrat machine. They stick to their talking points, only answer the "approved questions" received ahead of time and stay on the "approved message"

My question has always remained and still is. What has got the democrat party so terrified of Trump??????, this election is NO longer about policy, left-wing/right-wing, morals, or right and wrong. This election is about doing ANYTHING to get rid of and silence Trump come hook or by crook. What does Trump know, or What will Trump expose about the deep state that is worth all of this effort??????

Wither you like Trump or not, you have to admit off the cuff no one can match him. This is confidence takes decades of negotiation and real world business experience to get. Trump has faced down and dressed down some of the most vial and sadistic men on the planet while he was president, and come out of it the winner every time. Trump has NOT bowed to anyone, and made his own deals that worked for the US, and it's citizens NOT others around the world. Unlike Harris, Trump thinks for himself..........and doesn't need or seek someone's approval before talking.

To those who simply won't vote Trump because they don't like the man, I feel sorry for you small minded people.......................I am NOT his biggest fan either, in fact I can't stand listening to him or his twitter feed. BUT, I agree with his policies and his common sense and logical thinking changes. If I was American, Trump would have my vote, not because I like him................but because his policies align with what I hope to see in the USA.

Just my 2 cents
Cameron

 

[Kiwi Rider]

Harris can't read anything other than the teleprompter, otherwise she remains in her endless loop until it's fixed.....................She just like Biden is simply the current face of the democrat machine. They stick to their talking points, only answer the "approved questions" received ahead of time and stay on the "approved message"

My question has always remained and still is. What has got the democrat party so terrified of Trump??????, this election is NO longer about policy, left-wing/right-wing, morals, or right and wrong. This election is about doing ANYTHING to get rid of and silence Trump come hook or by crook. What does Trump know, or What will Trump expose about the deep state that is worth all of this effort??????

Wither you like Trump or not, you have to admit off the cuff no one can match him. This is confidence takes decades of negotiation and real world business experience to get. Trump has faced down and dressed down some of the most vial and sadistic men on the planet while he was president, and come out of it the winner every time. Trump has NOT bowed to anyone, and made his own deals that worked for the US, and it's citizens NOT others around the world. Unlike Harris, Trump thinks for himself..........and doesn't need or seek someone's approval before talking.

To those who simply won't vote Trump because they don't like the man, I feel sorry for you small minded people.......................I am NOT his biggest fan either, in fact I can't stand listening to him or his twitter feed. BUT, I agree with his policies and his common sense and logical thinking changes. If I was American, Trump would have my vote, not because I like him................but because his policies align with what I hope to see in the USA.

Just my 2 cents
Cameron

Well put Cameron, I'm a New Zealander and I feel the same about Trump, he's certainly not my favourite person, but I like his outgoing approach and he can think for himself.

 

[Blanca BusaLess]

I keep waiting for something truly noteworthy to come out of her mouth. I do feel she's a better choice than the current Biden, and Trump as well.
I think if Michelle Obama had decided to run, this would be no contest.

Chewbacca? What has Mike done to earn the right to ask? Wife of former potus qualifies one?
You will never hear anything come out of her mouth that makes coherent sense. Every time she goes off script it's worse than Biden. At least he just froze up and forgot. She explains the cloud like it's really up there somewhere with all your info in it. Probably thinks planes aren't allowed to fly thru it too! Hahahahaha omg. God help us.
In an ever increasing digital AI age I will bet more than half of her statements will be AI created and we will never know it. Mm mmm m m m Max Harris !!

 

[TallTom]

As much as everyone doesn't like to say it, this is the ONLY way to end this war once and for all.........................If Hamas wants to hide among citizens, and use innocent citizens as human shields, then it's time Israel and the west use bullets that will penetrate both the shield AND the terrorist behind them.

It's time Israel and the west show citizens what is really happening, and if citizens want it to stop they can either pick up arms themselves and become the terrorists OR expel hamas from their towns or shoot them themselves before they are shot for them.

It's time Israel force reality among these people, and force them to make a choice...................................They either take their towns and cities back from the terrorists, or become the terrorists themselves and we'll glass them all. Make your choice now, and live with the consequences.

Cameron

Cameron. While I don't disagree, the problem that's beyond what you and I feel, is the fact that U.S. has done a wonderful job at playing on the side of both parties. In a Thursday we will send $$$$$ to Israel to keep them on our side. On Tues we will send $$$$$ to Palestine to keep them on our side. We have been trying to play Big Brother peacemaker for this clash since about 1950 or so.

We pay them to keep the peace. We now have the added problem that they are now a voting portion of America. With elected official that represent them.

So now we can't as easily pick sides.

We totally did this to ourselves. And we can't easily get ourselves out. We had a better chance at it when we poured $$$ into both sides and told them to keep the peace. They didn't flee to our soil because things were largely stable.

Now it cost us a great deal more because we are pregnant.

 

[TallTom]

Chewbacca? What has Mike done to earn the right to ask? Wife of former potus qualifies one?
You will never hear anything come out of her mouth that makes coherent sense. Every time she goes off script it's worse than Biden. At least he just froze up and forgot. She explains the cloud like it's really up there somewhere with all your info in it. Probably thinks planes aren't allowed to fly thru it too! Hahahahaha omg. God help us.
In an ever increasing digital AI age I will bet more than half of her statements will be AI created and we will never know it. Mm mmm m m m Max Harris !!

Cowabunga even. I think you forgot she has to treat her voters like 3rd graders. You have to keep them focused. Much higher level discussion will make them feel disenfranchised I believe is the politically correct term.

And unfortunately Trump has his 3rd graders that vote for him as well.

They both appeal to the lowest denominator. Until the votes have been cast.

 

[Red05]

What has got the democrat party so terrified of Trump??????,

Democrats aren’t afraid of him, they dislike him because he’s an a$$hole. “Deep state” is a term thrown about way too often which vaguely describes anybody that doesn’t agree. Want to be popular and win elections? Don’t be an a$$hole. Pretty sad that has to be explained.

 

[jellyrug]

Your questions are next to impossible to answer.....

You have a terror organization immersed into the general populace of a country where a war is being waged.....the issue is there are vulnerable civilians involved that may or may not be targeted....

As a combat force you are faced with either ignoring the plight of these civilians or treat them as enemy combatants...

The answer is not an easy one to give....m

I guess this is what I struggle with.

I’m just a simple Engineer, we are trained to design a process resulting in the shortest path, to get from point A to B and then put things in action.

The process of fighting your enemy and protecting him as well as feeding him, simply means we have left point A, there is no path to point B and we will never get this project completed. This will go on forever.

At some point someone has to put an end to this.

The only ones benefitting, are those financially tied to the Industrial Military Complex.