No Re-mapping needed for 08 Busa???

[Falconer]

not true all my previos bikes had pc's and it made a huge difference. and i had the chance to watch. i was impressed by the tech and the increased driveability especially coming off closed throttle. however the 08 busa has none of these issues and is a different system..and it works. wrong for you to assume i have no experience with pc..and my other bikes were raced and were dangerous to ride with stock mappin. like a light switch....my foot remains planted. unless some ass nedss to be talked kicked ...lol...love wadded panties and kleenex..

 

[Falconer]

damn ps3 keyboard!! i'm really not that dumb..and smith i agree with you 100% but my 08 runs great as is. and some people are rude and mean when making their point. musta got beat up in school or something...and one down is what i would say after i leave you in my wake....lol..i'm done...the crying from one down too loud..lol

 

[Falconer]

I BOW TO YOUR SUPERIORITY COMPLEX ONE DOWN ....im outta comments

 

[onedownfiveup]

not true all my previos bikes had pc's and it made a huge difference. and i had the chance to watch. i was impressed by the tech and the increased driveability especially coming off closed throttle. however the 08 busa has none of these issues and is a different system..and it works. wrong for you to assume i have no experience with pc..and my other bikes were raced and were dangerous to ride with stock mappin. like a light switch....my foot remains planted. unless some ass nedss to be talked kicked ...lol...love wadded panties and kleenex..

Even a custom mapped 08 hayabusa runs a lot better. :shrug:

No tears here.

 

[Fast08]

yes they do and it's more then 2 hp!

 

[bigbusabigbusa]

fast 08 will you please elaborate. if you have some credible evidence please post up to help others understand if there is more than 2 horses to gain. thanks

 

[GPW]

fast 08 will you please elaborate. if you have some credible evidence please post up to help others understand if there is more than 2 horses to gain. thanks

You would need to have a R-77 and full pulls of 10 or more without mapping and then mapped to see. Not like some dyno guys do, only two pulls before with lower power numbers and 25 runs later the after numbers to give a perception that mapping alone gained huge power numbers, no mention that the bike was properly warmed up and produced its best power numbers. A lot of this stuff is really funny.

 

[hans]

If you want a PC and custom map, get it.  If you don't, don't.
You're not assured of seeing big power gains.

On my '08, from 5,000 rpm to 11,250 without a PC my R77 with the baffle removed had an air fuel ratio range of 13.59 to 12.86.  From 8,000 rpm to 11,250, the AF ratio ranged from 13.03 to 12.86.  You're not going to get huge power gains changing those numbers.

Where there was room for improvement was at the lower rpm ranges where the AF ratio ranged from 13.98 to 12.10 in the 2,000 rpm to 4,000 rpm range.  I haven't noticed any flat spots or stumbling, so I'm not going to spend the money.

Note that this may not be true for all pipes, as the AF ratio with the baffle in varied from 11.54 to 13.56 in the rpm range of 2,000 to 10,500.

 

[Got-Busa?]

seems the no bs bike tuners have prove that the pc111 is not needed and that all I got for my $1000 was that sweet yoshimura sound! sheeeet im glad i didn't get hosed by a know it all "SALESMAN" I mean ahem..tuner..  

See, that's the thing.  Only one tuner on here (or anywhere that I can find) has had those results.  Everyone else has stated that you need a PCIII for maximum power and drivability.  It's the same deal with the closed loop system on cars.  It's still not advanced enough and giving the ECU the correct information/readings to adjust the bike to 100%.  I've tried to tell people this but they want to get mad when it is pointed out.  I'm not going to bother anymore until I have my own results with the Gen-II BUSA "confirming" the same speculation and information I have learned over the years with auto's....  

I don't know what closed loop cars you dealt with but that is entirely untrue in my experience.

I had a 03 Cobra which of course was blown... This wasn't your ordinary car, built motor (ported heads, cams, .20 over, etc...), kenne bell @ 25psi, and ever other power mod you can think of...

The o2 sensors which were closed loop made an enormous difference for adjusting fuel according  to temperature and altitude changes. Was there tuning done with an after market chip? Hell yes... but it was done to tell the computer to maintain a 11.5-1 a/f instead of the stock setting; and of course to adjust timing (which you cannot do with the ps3usb by itself, you need the ignition module to do that). Some people who had no clue wtf they were doing would just add fuel per rpm range which is the WRONG way to tune a car. When you do that you completely ignore the 02 sensor and the benefits it can bring.

To say the closed loop systems on cars are pointless is a ridiculous statement to make IMHO.

Now back to the 2008 Hayabusa. This isn't the same animal as the Gen I Busa's that did not have a closed loop system. Also, it is worth mentioning that closed loop systems are very new to bikes or at least the hayabusa. I wish there were better tuning alternatives for the busa (something like the SCT chips for cars) that could control many more variables. Someday the those tuning capabilities will be available and when that day comes I can throw my pc3usb and ignition module in the trash.

I agree with you 100%! I to have had experience with Mustangs and several different COBRA's and an 03 was my last. The problem is that people think they can add all these mods and the factory ECU can handle it by itself (no computer changes). It can't and that is what I'm getting at. You've got people in this thread that still think you don't need a PC for the 08 bike regardless.

That's like slapping a pulley, exhaust, CAI, etc. on a 03 COBRA and expecting the ECU to adjust accordingly based on the O2 reading and it's just not going to happen. That is what I'm trying to say.

I don't know who said the closed loop systems on cars are pointless but it sure wasn't me. If it was, that's not what I meant at all. Just that you still need a chip, PC, tune, etc... to adjust accordingly.

As far as your last statement, there is a guy that has hacked the factory ECU on the 99-07 BUSA. No one has donated an ECU for the 08 but the software and man power are getting this done on the Gen-I. I'm just waiting for a brave sole with a spare 08 ECU to do some experimenting...

 

[Johnnycheese]

fast 08 will you please elaborate. if you have some credible evidence please post up to help others understand if there is more than 2 horses to gain. thanks

You would need to have a R-77 and full pulls of 10 or more without mapping and then mapped to see. Not like some dyno guys do, only two pulls before with lower power numbers and 25 runs later the after numbers to give a perception that mapping alone gained huge power numbers, no mention that the bike was properly warmed up and produced its best power numbers. A lot of this stuff is really funny.  

this is the second time you have said 10 pulls.
of course now I know why you can't see any gain. you heat soak the hell of a motor doing 10 pulls in a row.
and you are trying to slam me on not knowing how to tune

I will make sure evey turbo bike stays away, you will melt one doing 10 pulls in a row.


PS as for the scared of losing bussiness statement, not true I only state facts

 

[Elganja]

seems the no bs bike tuners have prove that the pc111 is not needed and that all I got for my $1000 was that sweet yoshimura sound! sheeeet im glad i didn't get hosed by a know it all "SALESMAN" I mean ahem..tuner..

See, that's the thing. Only one tuner on here (or anywhere that I can find) has had those results. Everyone else has stated that you need a PCIII for maximum power and drivability. It's the same deal with the closed loop system on cars. It's still not advanced enough and giving the ECU the correct information/readings to adjust the bike to 100%. I've tried to tell people this but they want to get mad when it is pointed out. I'm not going to bother anymore until I have my own results with the Gen-II BUSA "confirming" the same speculation and information I have learned over the years with auto's....

I don't know what closed loop cars you dealt with but that is entirely untrue in my experience.

I had a 03 Cobra which of course was blown... This wasn't your ordinary car, built motor (ported heads, cams, .20 over, etc...), kenne bell @ 25psi, and ever other power mod you can think of...

The o2 sensors which were closed loop made an enormous difference for adjusting fuel according to temperature and altitude changes. Was there tuning done with an after market chip? Hell yes... but it was done to tell the computer to maintain a 11.5-1 a/f instead of the stock setting; and of course to adjust timing (which you cannot do with the ps3usb by itself, you need the ignition module to do that). Some people who had no clue wtf they were doing would just add fuel per rpm range which is the WRONG way to tune a car. When you do that you completely ignore the 02 sensor and the benefits it can bring.

To say the closed loop systems on cars are pointless is a ridiculous statement to make IMHO.

Now back to the 2008 Hayabusa. This isn't the same animal as the Gen I Busa's that did not have a closed loop system. Also, it is worth mentioning that closed loop systems are very new to bikes or at least the hayabusa. I wish there were better tuning alternatives for the busa (something like the SCT chips for cars) that could control many more variables. Someday the those tuning capabilities will be available and when that day comes I can throw my pc3usb and ignition module in the trash.

I agree with you 100%! I to have had experience with Mustangs and several different COBRA's and an 03 was my last. The problem is that people think they can add all these mods and the factory ECU can handle it by itself (no computer changes). It can't and that is what I'm getting at. You've got people in this thread that still think you don't need a PC for the 08 bike regardless.

That's like slapping a pulley, exhaust, CAI, etc. on a 03 COBRA and expecting the ECU to adjust accordingly based on the O2 reading and it's just not going to happen. That is what I'm trying to say.

I don't know who said the closed loop systems on cars are pointless but it sure wasn't me. If it was, that's not what I meant at all. Just that you still need a chip, PC, tune, etc... to adjust accordingly.

As far as your last statement, there is a guy that has hacked the factory ECU on the 99-07 BUSA. No one has donated an ECU for the 08 but the software and man power are getting this done on the Gen-I. I'm just waiting for a brave sole with a spare 08 ECU to do some experimenting...

I think I misunderstood what you said in a previous post, for that I apologize. I think we are somewhat on the same page

There is only 1 thing I don't agree on (or I don't think we agree on? lol), a pipe and filter on a bike doesn't change the dynamics of a bike enough to absolutely warrant a pc3usb on the 2008 busa. Just like if you put a cai, catback and midpipe on the cobra. Will tuning help? Sure, you can make a few more ponies but you don't absolutely need it IMHO. Do I have a pc3usb? hell yes... I want every .0001 hp LOL.

as for the hack to the 08 computer... i did soooooooo much beta testing on my 03 cobra (first to try out cams and ported heads, etc...) that I don't even want to go down that road again (too much $$$ I don't want to spend). Hopefully someone will step up the plate and that would be awesome!

I'll shoot you a PM sometime about your Cobra, I miss mine everyday now that it is gone

I'm pretty sure you are on modularfords and svtperformance, I'm lRageATMl on those boards

 

[Tybalt71]

The new dyno by dyno jet 250i? the one that builds a map for you, goes more then 10 pulss, it has too, it requires 2-3 hours and goes through every 250-500 rpms increments , by theend of the tuning sessionyou have an incredible HP gain and the bike is crisp and smooth, this is from the latest of dynojest technology, the self mapping dyno which makes, builds a map for you

 

 I have run my busa o nthis dyno and the whole process took over 2 hours and yes it beats the crap out of your bike, but the end result is wow

I personally would question any tuner that says they have tuned my bike with 2-3 pulls and say the bike is at its optimum performance

 

[Johnnycheese]

The new dyno by dyno jet 250i? the one that builds a map for you, goes more then 10 pulss, it has too, it requires 2-3 hours and goes through every 250-500 rpms increments , by theend of the tuning sessionyou have an incredible HP gain and the bike is crisp and smooth, this is from the latest of dynojest technology, the self mapping dyno which makes, builds a map for you

 

 I have run my busa o nthis dyno and the whole process took over 2 hours and yes it beats the crap out of your bike, but the end result is wow

I personally would question any tuner that says they have tuned my bike with 2-3 pulls and say the bike is at its optimum performance

I hate when people read stuff into a post.
10 back to back pulls at WOT. will HEAT soak a bike.
when you load map a bike it does take 2-4 hours to do it but you are not WOT. plus there is cooling down time
Plus the all the 250's will use the same software but it will not get you a great map it will get you only what the tuner wants not the motor.
you do know I just didn't buy a dyno and called myself a tuning shop yesterday correct

 

[Tybalt71]

Johnny, no ones directing it at you, stop taking things personally, it is broad and general speaking, we are , u included, having a pretty good in depth discussion

 

[onedownfiveup]

this is the second time you have said 10 pulls.
of course now I know why you can't see any gain. you heat soak the hell of a motor doing 10 pulls in a row.
and you are trying to slam me on not knowing how to tune

I will make sure evey turbo bike stays away, you will melt one doing 10 pulls in a row.


PS as for the scared of losing bussiness statement, not true I only state facts

I think what he thinks is people that are actually making more than a few hp with a tune are running the bike for the baseline when the bike is cold and not at it's peak best.

 

[Over_Easy]

THREAD JACK ALERT:

Here is one of the more funny threads involving "JohnnyCheese" and "givinr" (don't know where "givinr" disappeared to - last posted 2 years ago):
https://www.hayabusa.org/forums/?act=ST;f=10;t=23476;hl=marble

Gets funny starting with post #13...

 

[Dobieman]

"givinr"  

We need that guy back  

 

[rubber2burn]

I just want to add 2 cents on this. For those that have never meet Johnny he may have come off harsh but that is just Johnny the man will go out of his way to try and help you. I have nothing againist Greg either as I have never met him but he seems to know his stuff as well they are 2 different people with 2 different styles of tuning so if you do not like one take your bike to the other and visa versa all I know is when you talk about LSR 9 times out of 10 both of these guys names come up (in my best Forest Gump voice) THAT IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT!!!!

 

[Over_Easy]

Aaaah, you're all full of malarkey!

 

[Got-Busa?]

I think I misunderstood what you said in a previous post, for that I apologize. I think we are somewhat on the same page

There is only 1 thing I don't agree on (or I don't think we agree on? lol), a pipe and filter on a bike doesn't change the dynamics of a bike enough to absolutely warrant a pc3usb on the 2008 busa. Just like if you put a cai, catback and midpipe on the cobra. Will tuning help? Sure, you can make a few more ponies but you don't absolutely need it IMHO. Do I have a pc3usb? hell yes... I want every .0001 hp LOL.

as for the hack to the 08 computer... i did soooooooo much beta testing on my 03 cobra (first to try out cams and ported heads, etc...) that I don't even want to go down that road again (too much $$$ I don't want to spend). Hopefully someone will step up the plate and that would be awesome!

I'll shoot you a PM sometime about your Cobra, I miss mine everyday now that it is gone

I'm pretty sure you are on modularfords and svtperformance, I'm lRageATMl on those boards

It's cool! The internet doesn't really show tone or emotion so everyone's posts are interpreted differently. Just like what these guys think about JC. He's a great guy but just can't put it in the right words for the more internet savvy guys that get upset with his posts....

Shoot me a PM anytime. I was Got-Cobra? before but haven't been on the Mustang sites in a while since I have changed toys so many times.