Russia and Ukraine

So let’s do a quick summary,

Ukraine did not harbor terrorists, neither did they have internal bloodshed due to tribal and faction differences.

You are then complacent with the idea of hitting Putin with only those sanctions that do not hurt us?

That we supply weapons only?

That we stand by to witness an innocent nation being wiped out, and we allow it?

That after Putin’s Ukraine Victory we just wait for his next move and we again allow it?
I think you are being over-simplistic and naive about what's going on. I could pose those same questions to you about many African nations. The morality of this is quite simple: It's in humanity's best interest for us not to get into a war with Russia. In terms of world progress, in terms of the economic well-being of civilizations, and in terms of civilian deaths.

Ukraine's mistake was finding itself in the position of being the sacrifice. Right now the world has to let Ukraine go for the greater good. And we aren't doing nothing, the sanctions could well break Putin's hold on power. Frankly, if Putin lost control of Russia and a rational player took power the world would be a better place.

If Putin wants more than Ukraine, it's time to fight.
 
I think you are being over-simplistic and naive about what's going on. I could pose those same questions to you about many African nations. The morality of this is quite simple: It's in humanity's best interest for us not to get into a war with Russia. In terms of world progress, in terms of the economic well-being of civilizations, and in terms of civilian deaths.

Ukraine's mistake was finding itself in the position of being the sacrifice. Right now the world has to let Ukraine go for the greater good. And we aren't doing nothing, the sanctions could well break Putin's hold on power. Frankly, if Putin lost control of Russia and a rational player took power the world would be a better place.

If Putin wants more than Ukraine, it's time to fight.
A good mature wise outlook Arch.

This is what I struggle with though.

The world around us has suddenly changed dramatically due to the actions of one person. The whole Western world needs to now revisit their defence budgets, plans and strategies, as we are in a worse off situation than during the cold war Soviet Union period.

If we let Putin get away with this, where is he going to stop? How important are Western sanctions, he has Africa and China and others still supporting him.

If Putin scores success, what do you think will happen with China and Taiwan?

So again, after Ukraine is done, who is next?

Putin has threatened nuclear war, so what does that mean? Does that mean whoever threatens nuclear action scares everyone else and they back off? The latter means the boldest person here will win and keep winning, unless he is countered.

NATO can counter threat and take action without nuclear weapons, but be best prepared. Putin knows if he pushes the button, he also will be vaporised. So we cannot allow the boldest person making this threat to win because we are scared and we all back off.

I am pretty sure behind the scenes there are things happening at a high level here in the US which we do not know about.

We would not know this, but my guess is if Kennedy was our president today, as Russia started building their forces around Ukraine in preparation, together with NATO, we would have built the same resistance inside Ukraine. And, as with the Cuban situation during his presidency this thing would have been dismantled without a war.

BTW, there are some of our senior politicians who agree with you and some who agree with me.

All I know is when I was in school and someone was bullying a fellow student, I never looked the other way. I intervened.
 
So let’s do a quick summary,

Ukraine did not harbor terrorists, neither did they have internal bloodshed due to tribal and faction differences.

You are then complacent with the idea of hitting Putin with only those sanctions that do not hurt us?

That we supply weapons only?

That we stand by to witness an innocent nation being wiped out, and we allow it?

That after Putin’s Ukraine Victory we just wait for his next move and we again allow it?
@fallenarch pretty much summed it up for me...

Ukraine has a history with Russia...not all of it a good history...there was no previous application for an EU or NATO membership until the threat of invasion became a reality.

Both memberships would have been negated for the fact the Ukraine was in a state of unrest due to the separatists to the east.

The sanctions imposed will forever change Russia....the hiarcy of Russia will suffer from these sanctions. If we went to war with Russia over Ukraine, millions of people could potentially die and if it didn't go nuclear (which I highly believe it would) we would be stuck with the same issue the Germans had in the 1940s....how to hold ground in Russia. We would have to insert an occupation force of tens of thousands of troops......and remember, the Russians would be fighting for their country and they aren't exactly push-overs.

I don't even agree with supplying weapons....in doing so we are technically joining the fight. However in almost each and every conflict the "other side' has supplied weapons...China in Korea, Russia in Viet Nam, US in Afghanistan against the Russians....and the list goes on and on.

When Russia has conquered Ukraine, and then sets his sights on any other nation, that ambition must be denied...I wager the invasion of Ukraine along with the many sanctions will take the starch out of the Russians.

Where was all this support when Russia invaded Chechnya? It was an independent nation which was attacked and conquered....but, it didn't have full social and media support with which to garner the sympathies of the world.

Other nations the US invaded did indeed have elements of terrorists in them....yet those countries were systematically torn apart to the point they are on the verge of being uninhabited and the terror cells are still active....one even took back the country and the others are basically never going to recover.
 
A good mature wise outlook Arch.

This is what I struggle with though.

The world around us has suddenly changed dramatically due to the actions of one person. The whole Western world needs to now revisit their defence budgets, plans and strategies, as we are in a worse off situation than during the cold war Soviet Union period.

If we let Putin get away with this, where is he going to stop? How important are Western sanctions, he has Africa and China and others still supporting him.

If Putin scores success, what do you think will happen with China and Taiwan?

So again, after Ukraine is done, who is next?

Putin has threatened nuclear war, so what does that mean? Does that mean whoever threatens nuclear action scares everyone else and they back off? The latter means the boldest person here will win and keep winning, unless he is countered.

NATO can counter threat and take action without nuclear weapons, but be best prepared. Putin knows if he pushes the button, he also will be vaporised. So we cannot allow the boldest person making this threat to win because we are scared and we all back off.

I am pretty sure behind the scenes there are things happening at a high level here in the US which we do not know about.

We would not know this, but my guess is if Kennedy was our president today, as Russia started building their forces around Ukraine in preparation, together with NATO, we would have built the same resistance inside Ukraine. And, as with the Cuban situation during his presidency this thing would have been dismantled without a war.

BTW, there are some of our senior politicians who agree with you and some who agree with me.

All I know is when I was in school and someone was bullying a fellow student, I never looked the other way. I intervened.
In my former occupation, I wasn't part of the conventional forces, I saw the effects of invasions first hand and behind the scenes...

The invasion of Ukraine has been in the plans for years and the west did what they could to prepare the Ukrainians who also knew they would be going it alone. Putin has him mind made up and nothing short of a NATO invasion of Russia will stop him....

There hasn't been a successful conflict since WW2, an attack on Russia would be catastrophic and disastrous at best...Russia isn't even committing a large invasion force...they have lots of other assets sitting in reserve.

I will tell you, nobody wants to push around the bully who has a handgun in his waistband...he may or may not pull it out and shoot you for intervening.
 
Did we not expect this

NATO expansion post 1997?

1646501444423.png
 
Regarding that “No Fly Zone”
I am a simple person but why can’t we sell Ukraine our “UNMANED DRONES” for 1$ each and take out all those tanks and armed vehicles in that 40 mile long convoy???
Is there something I am missing??
Would that help them??

As far as the US invading a neighbor with the intent to make it part of the US, as another state or possession, can you quote an example from modern times?
If you were to pick up a copy of John Perkins book titled "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man you would get a good look at how an economic strategy works and accomplishes a similar result similar in some ways to wars.

In a nutshell example... you hire a contractor to remodel your kitchen. You have 50K to pay for it all with a loan from whomever and the contractors bid was for 50K and you agreed and signed the contract. When the job is done the contractor hands you the final bill and it's now 150K. What are you going to do if you don't have the line of credit to pay it off? Didn't you read the small print about cost over runs? To late now... the contractor puts a lien on your property and the clock is ticking... imagine the contractor can force the sale of your house to pay for the kitchen remodel? What do you do? This is one way we have established military bases in 3rd world countries all over the globe... not much of that has been mentioned in decades... its seem bizarre in a way... and natural resources have been gained in this manner at low cost at the same time. The level of mischief that goes with this type of action includes rigged elections, assassinations and other criminal acts.

 
I pasted it up for you... its a fascinating account on the surface.


Confessions of an Economic Hit Man

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Jump to navigationJump to search
This article is about the book. For the song by Anti-Flag, see For Blood and Empire.
Confessions of an Economic Hit Man
220px-Confessions_of_An_Economic_Hitman_Cover.jpg
AuthorJohn Perkins
LanguageEnglish
PublisherBerrett-Koehler Publishers
Publication date2004
Pages250
ISBN0-452-28708-1
OCLC55138900
Confessions of an Economic Hit Man is a semi-autobiographical book written by John Perkins, first published in 2004.[1][2]
The book provides Perkins' account of his career with engineering consulting firm Chas. T. Main in Boston. According to Perkins, his job at the firm was to convince leaders of underdeveloped countries to accept substantial development loans for large construction and engineering projects. Ensuring that these projects were contracted to U.S. companies, such loans provided political influence for the US and access to natural resources for American companies,[1]: 15, 239  thus primarily helping rich families and local elites, rather than the poor. According to Perkins, he began writing Confessions of an Economic Hit Man in the 1980s, but "threats or bribes always convinced [him] to stop."
Suggesting a system of corporatocracy and greed (rather than a unilateral conspiracy), Perkins claims the involvement of the National Security Agency (NSA), with whom he had interviewed for a job prior to joining Main. According to the author, this interview effectively constituted an independent screening that led to his subsequent hiring as an 'economic hit man' by Einar Greve,[3] vice president of the firm (and alleged NSA liaison).
Confessions of an Economic Hit Man was met with skepticism about the accuracy of Perkins's claims from some.

Contents​

Content[edit]​

The book heavily criticizes U.S. foreign policy and the notion that "all economic growth benefits humankind, and that the greater the growth, the more widespread the benefits."[1]: xii  Perkins suggests that, in many cases, only a small portion of the population benefits at the expense of the rest, pointing to, as an example, an increase in income inequality, whereby large U.S. corporations exploit cheap labor, and oil companies destroy local environments.[1]: xii 
Perkins describes what he calls a system of corporatocracy and greed as the driving forces behind establishing the United States as a global empire, in which he took a role as an "economic hit man" to expand its influence.
Perkins' function, according to the book, was to convince the political and financial leadership of developing countries to accept enormous development loans from institutions like the World Bank and USAID. Saddled with debts they could not hope to pay, such countries would then be forced to acquiesce to political pressure from the United States on a variety of issues. Perkins argues that these nations were effectively neutralized politically, with their wealth gaps driven wider and their long-term economies crippled. In this capacity, Perkins recounts his meetings with some prominent individuals, including Graham Greene and Omar Torrijos. Perkins describes the role of an economic hit man as follows:
Economic hit men (EHMs) are highly paid professionals who cheat countries around the globe out of trillions of dollars. They funnel money from the World Bank, the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID), and other foreign "aid" organizations into the coffers of huge corporations and the pockets of a few wealthy families who control the planet's natural resources. Their tools included fraudulent financial reports, rigged elections, payoffs, extortion, sex, and murder. They play a game as old as empire, but one that has taken on new and terrifying dimensions during this time of globalization.[citation needed]

Affirming conspiracy[edit]​

Perkins affirms the existence of a "conspiracy" between the U.S. government, its covert apparatus, private corporations used as cover, and individuals employed by them to the government's bidding, in such activities as overthrowing democratically elected foreign governments:[4]
I was initially recruited while I was in business school back in the late sixties by the National Security Agency, the nation’s largest and least understood spy organization; but ultimately I worked for private corporations. The first real economic hit man was back in the early 1950s, Kermit Roosevelt Jr., the grandson of Teddy, who overthrew the government of Iran, a democratically elected government, Mossadegh’s government who was Time magazine's person of the year; and he was so successful at doing this without any bloodshed—well, there was a little bloodshed, but no military intervention, just spending millions of dollars and replaced Mossadegh with the Shah of Iran. At that point, we understood that this idea of economic hit man was an extremely good one. We didn’t have to worry about the threat of war with Russia when we did it this way. The problem with that was that Roosevelt was a C.I.A. agent. He was a government employee. Had he been caught, we would have been in a lot of trouble. It would have been very embarrassing. So, at that point, the decision was made to use organizations like the C.I.A. and the N.S.A. to recruit potential economic hit men like me and then send us to work for private consulting companies, engineering firms, construction companies, so that if we were caught, there would be no connection with the government.
— John Perkins, November 4, 2004, Democracy Now!, interview

Reception and criticism[edit]​

Although the accuracy of the content has been questioned, the book did well in terms of sales, placing on the best-seller lists of both the New York Times and Amazon.[5]
Columnist Sebastian Mallaby of The Washington Post reacted sharply to Perkins' book: "This man is a frothing conspiracy theorist, a vainglorious peddler of nonsense, and yet his book, Confessions of an Economic Hit Man, is a runaway bestseller."[6] This charge is brought against Perkins despite the fact that he denounces conspiracy-thinking at numerous places in the book itself.[1]: 217  Mallaby, who spent 13 years writing for the London Economist and wrote a critically well-received biography of World Bank chief James Wolfensohn,[7] holds that Perkins' conception of international finance is "largely a dream" and that his "basic contentions are flat wrong."[6] For instance, he points out that Indonesia reduced its infant mortality and illiteracy rates by two-thirds after economists persuaded its leaders to borrow money in 1970. He also disputes Perkins' claim that 51 of the top 100 world economies belong to companies.[8] A value-added comparison shows that 29 countries are in the top 100, while the rest are companies.[9]
Other sources, including articles in The New York Times and Boston Magazine, as well as a press release issued by the U.S Department of State (DOS), have referred to a lack of documentary or testimonial evidence to corroborate Perkins's claim that the NSA was involved in his hiring to Chas T. Main. In addition, the author of the DOS release states that the NSA "is a cryptological (codemaking and codebreaking) organization, not an economic organization" and that its missions do not involve "anything remotely resembling placing economists at private companies in order to increase the debt of foreign countries."[10]
Economic historian Niall Ferguson addresses some of Perkins's claims in the 2008 book The Ascent of Money (2008). Perkins contended that the leaders of Ecuador (President Jaime Roldós Aguilera) and Panama (General Omar Torrijos) were killed by U.S. agents for opposing the interests of the owners of their countries' foreign debt. Both men died in airplane crashes in 1981. According to Ferguson, Perkins's allegations "seems a little odd."[11] Ferguson notes how in the 1970s, the amount of money that the US had lent to Ecuador and Panama accounted for less than 0.4% of the total U.S. grants and loans, while in 1990, exports from the US to those countries accounted for approximately 0.4% of total U.S. exports (approx. US$8 billion). Ferguson contends those "do not seem like figures worth killing for."[11] Perkins, however, maintains that the motives for such actions, rather than loans, would have been the securing of the Panama Canal as a permanent United States asset, and gaining access to Ecuadorian oil.
Chas. T. Main's former vice president Einar Greve, who first offered Perkins a job at the firm,[1]: 10  initially affirmed the overall validity of the book:[12]
Basically his story is true.… What John's book says is, there was a conspiracy to put all these countries on the hook, and that happened. Whether or not it was some sinister plot or not is up to interpretation, but many of these countries are still over the barrel and have never been able to repay the loans.
On being asked by another reporter about Perkins' account, however, Greve re-read the book and denied some aspects of Perkins' claims, such as the NSA having any links to Main, or that Perkins was seduced by Claudine Martin.[13]
 
If you were to pick up a copy of John Perkins book titled "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man you would get a good look at how an economic strategy works and accomplishes a similar result similar in some ways to wars.
Probably past ten years China has got its fingers into every foreign govt using their policy on every continent around the globe, recently US owned cargo ships are denied to enter ports of some china dominated countries. The USA"s foreign policy+shoot first ask questions later has been blunt of late a bit like Putin's policy. and has been off putting especially Trumps reign was very unpopular outside the US because of the undiplomatic style of governance which didnt go down well with most US alliances' which caused a lack of credibility of US foreign policy which increased China playing even more strategically stronger and making vulnerable countries to cut official policy to the west.
 
Probably past ten years China has got its fingers into every foreign govt using their policy on every continent around the globe, recently US owned cargo ships are denied to enter ports of some china dominated countries. The USA"s foreign policy+shoot first ask questions later has been blunt of late a bit like Putin's policy. and has been off putting especially Trumps reign was very unpopular outside the US because of the undiplomatic style of governance which didnt go down well with most US alliances' which caused a lack of credibility of US foreign policy which increased China playing even more strategically stronger and making vulnerable countries to cut official policy to the west.
If we look at history of modern times and the fall of many empires, foreign policy is paramount to survival...the US is at a disadvantage due to distance.

Countries are more likely to align with their neighbor rather than a country on another continent. The US does offer military protection but it would take a while for it to respond.

China is busy building an empire while the other superpowers have either lost or are losing theirs.
 
Probably past ten years China has got its fingers into every foreign govt using their policy on every continent around the globe, recently US owned cargo ships are denied to enter ports of some china dominated countries. The USA"s foreign policy+shoot first ask questions later has been blunt of late a bit like Putin's policy. and has been off putting especially Trumps reign was very unpopular outside the US because of the undiplomatic style of governance which didnt go down well with most US alliances' which caused a lack of credibility of US foreign policy which increased China playing even more strategically stronger and making vulnerable countries to cut official policy to the west.
China has been on the march for decades by building alliances in many places while crafting ways to gain more real estate that doesn't belong to them. As you said... diplomacy is key. While many will disagree here... Trump wanted the rest of our NATO allies to pony up their own 2% of GDP and feed it into the NATO operations as was promised or agreed upon long before Trump was in office.

Contrary to Trumps style of diplomacy as you stated... didn't Rocketman and the Mullahs tone it down a little bit during Trump's time in office? Hmmm...

This whole "Game of Thrones" we see throughout history is nothing more than egos that will never be appeased... and if they are... it won't be for long.

Imagine this... an asteroid we have spotted with our name on it looks like it will exterminate humanity as we know it. Now... what do the worlds leaders do? Are we going to fight over land and resources like the wars of the past and present? Or, are we going to come together and figure out how to avoid a life ending collision with a force so big that only a coordinated effort will save humanity?

Of course, after the threat of an asteroid is thwarted... then it will be back to the Game of Thrones again and the press will credit Biden for single handedly saving humanity from the asteroid. lol !
 
China has been on the march for decades by building alliances in many places while crafting ways to gain more real estate that doesn't belong to them. As you said... diplomacy is key. While many will disagree here... Trump wanted the rest of our NATO allies to pony up their own 2% of GDP and feed it into the NATO operations as was promised or agreed upon long before Trump was in office.

Contrary to Trumps style of diplomacy as you stated... didn't Rocketman and the Mullahs tone it down a little bit during Trump's time in office? Hmmm...

This whole "Game of Thrones" we see throughout history is nothing more than egos that will never be appeased... and if they are... it won't be for long.

Imagine this... an asteroid we have spotted with our name on it looks like it will exterminate humanity as we know it. Now... what do the worlds leaders do? Are we going to fight over land and resources like the wars of the past and present? Or, are we going to come together and figure out how to avoid a life ending collision with a force so big that only a coordinated effort will save humanity?

Of course, after the threat of an asteroid is thwarted... then it will be back to the Game of Thrones again and the press will credit Biden for single handedly saving humanity from the asteroid. lol !
Almost sounds prophetic
 
If we look at history of modern times and the fall of many empires, foreign policy is paramount to survival...the US is at a disadvantage due to distance.

Countries are more likely to align with their neighbor rather than a country on another continent. The US does offer military protection but it would take a while for it to respond.

China is busy building an empire while the other superpowers have either lost or are losing theirs.
On the face of it maybe.. though it seems to me days of big old fashioned empires are gone.Not least because the three big powers are more or less equally armed and everyone worth conquering can't be as they have nukes. Everything has gone to pot. Just a miasma of sifting alliances decreed by what's in each nation-state best interests.Twas ever thus. Can't ever see any Big changes to the status quo. The Chinese, Indians, North Americans, West Europeans South Americans and Asians are where they are.
 
On the face of it maybe.. though it seems to me days of big old fashioned empires are gone.Not least because the three big powers are more or less equally armed and everyone worth conquering can't be as they have nukes. Everything has gone to pot. Just a miasma of sifting alliances decreed by what's in each nation-state best interests.Twas ever thus. Can't ever see any Big changes to the status quo. The Chinese, Indians, North Americans, West Europeans South Americans and Asians are where they are.
How do you know for certain everyone is equally armed? The race for superior arms hasn't ended... However... the will to use them is tempered by the fact that a bad guy with a weapon might find out he doesn't have the superiority he thought his weapon possessed.

When you look at the newest Chinese fighter jet it pretty clear we can't keep our technology out of the hands of the Chinese. Who would win in a battle with the Chinese equivalent of our F35 against whatever they call the plane they have that looks similar to ours?

I have a friend from high school that is working right now on laser stability technology for the military about 60 hours a week. Imagine a drone that can fly over an enemies airport where planes are sitting outside and can accurately focus laser beams on the tires and ruin them in a manner of seconds. I have known this guy for over 50 years though we haven't been in touch for years at times.
 
How do you know for certain everyone is equally armed? The race for superior arms hasn't ended... However... the will to use them is tempered by the fact that a bad guy with a weapon might find out he doesn't have the superiority he thought his weapon possessed.

When you look at the newest Chinese fighter jet it pretty clear we can't keep our technology out of the hands of the Chinese. Who would win in a battle with the Chinese equivalent of our F35 against whatever they call the plane they have that looks similar to ours?

I have a friend from high school that is working right now on laser stability technology for the military about 60 hours a week. Imagine a drone that can fly over an enemies airport where planes are sitting outside and can accurately focus laser beams on the tires and ruin them in a manner of seconds. I have known this guy for over 50 years though we haven't been in touch for years at times.
I find it kind of odd he'd divulge information such as that....one would think that sort of technology would be a little more guarded.

I've seen technology at use that I will not/can not divulge.
 
A good mature wise outlook Arch.

This is what I struggle with though.
I will respond to this but I'm not being argumentative - I'm still trying to understand the real truth in this and what is the rational direction - so this is intended as a conversation, not a debate.
The world around us has suddenly changed dramatically due to the actions of one person. The whole Western world needs to now revisit their defence budgets, plans and strategies, as we are in a worse off situation than during the cold war Soviet Union period.
I don't know that it's changed or have we just realized (again) how crazy it is for someone to have that much power? This is not new for example, Jesus (the historical person, not the spirit), several Ceasars, Stalin, Hitler, Roosevelt, Mao, even MLK were all single people who held a lot of power.
If we let Putin get away with this, where is he going to stop? How important are Western sanctions, he has Africa and China and others still supporting him.
Realize he has been consolidating the USSR again for decades and we let him do it. The Media said next to nothing while he annexed Crimea. The current Ukraine conflict has been a shooting war for 8 years already. As for where will he stop, It's very possible he just wants to reconsolidate the USSR. I don't think he has ever said otherwise - beyond complaining about NATO at his back door. Yes, Putin is ruthless and maybe a little crazy, but this was all very predictable. I'm also not so sure China will be there for Putin. If you look at their foreign policy decisions they tend to play both sides pretty well.
If Putin scores success, what do you think will happen with China and Taiwan?
Taiwan will soon be like Ukraine. We are moving those production and supply capabilities to safer places. So Taiwan will also be expendable and not worth a confrontation with China over. In a sense, China may be waiting for the US to get what we need out of there so they can go in with little opposition. Typically, the Chinese are very strategic about things and think well beyond their dictator's lifespan (unlike Russia).
So again, after Ukraine is done, who is next?
I don't really see a next. People don't realize how superior we are to Russia. We have been spending 10 times their military budget for as long as I can remember. It would not be easy, but we would win a conventional war and I expect a NATO wall to be waiting for the Russian occupation of Ukraine. I don't think Putin would go there because it would lay bare the fact that he is actually pretty weak.
Putin has threatened nuclear war, so what does that mean? Does that mean whoever threatens nuclear action scares everyone else and they back off? The latter means the boldest person here will win and keep winning, unless he is countered.
I think it means nothing. Even if he uses a tactical. It is a fact that with nukes, "the enemy of war is war itself." It makes no sense, especially to an empirest. It's more likely Putin would disappear to some country with extradition agreements and live like a king for the rest of his days. Remember during the 50s and 60s we were all exploding all sorts of experimental test bombs all the time. The US dropped 2 on Japan with fairly localized negative impacts. Even N. Korea has exploded them underground fairly recently. So I think the Dr. Strange Love ending is a myth. Besides, narcissistic bitches kill other people but never kill themselves.

NATO is going to stop on their borders - they won't threaten Putin in Russia. So we're not going to push Putin that far into a corner. His bigger problem will be his own people and using nukes on them doesn't make sense either.
NATO can counter threat and take action without nuclear weapons, but be best prepared. Putin knows if he pushes the button, he also will be vaporised. So we cannot allow the boldest person making this threat to win because we are scared and we all back off.
Humm, not sure this is the case. To be honest I have heard many officers say nukes are a PIA. They are costly to maintain and secure and can't be deployed. But the power is largely mythical and part of an outdated doctrine of assured mutual destruction. Frankly, smaller countries like Pakistan worry me more. Also, people don't realize that virtual wars, germ warfare, and hyper-accurate conventional weapons are at least as menacing as nukes.
I am pretty sure behind the scenes there are things happening at a high level here in the US which we do not know about.
A lot of things. I am told that when we react perfectly to a situation (like we have thus far in this crisis), it's because the situation has been gamed out and the strategies pre-evaluated. I have also been told that things don't go public until there is something bigger and badder already in place. We know of electromagnetic projectiles, lasers, all sorts of viruses and bacteria, EMP weapons, thermo-baric, sound disruptors, remember the Neutron bomb?
We would not know this, but my guess is if Kennedy was our president today, as Russia started building their forces around Ukraine in preparation, together with NATO, we would have built the same resistance inside Ukraine. And, as with the Cuban situation during his presidency this thing would have been dismantled without a war.
That was a different time. It's much more complicated now and this is a pretty different situation, right? Cuba was our security, this is the security of a nation we have no obligation to help. We warned Ukraine, they did not want to be a NATO country. We told them Russia's every move, they were upset that our saying Russia was going to attack was hurting their economy. The President of Ukraine is an admirable guy who certainly has his nation at heart, but there are times when discretion is the better part of valor. Had he joined NATO, this would not have happened. While Putin looks like a strongman, the truth is he's taking Ukraine because he wants it and he can. The moves made by the Ukrainian president left his country isolated and ripe for the picking.
BTW, there are some of our senior politicians who agree with you and some who agree with me.
Yes, and that is how it should be. Decisions like this need to be studied from as many perspectives as possible.
All I know is when I was in school and someone was bullying a fellow student, I never looked the other way. I intervened.
This ain't a schoolyard my friend! I wish all that was at stake is an arse whipping!
 
Back
Top