Russia and Ukraine

[kml]

religion, ideology, race, ethnicity and political alignment, are all catalysts to war.

Coffee buddy
Ya left out coffee
If you had the last coffee
and i was jonesing for caffeine
I'd gut you with the dullest of butter knives
with all the compassion I'd show a brook trout
even for a Tim Hortens
Well, maybe not for that dark roast they had a few years ago
That shyte was swill....

LOL


cheers
ken

 

[Bumblebee]

Nobody respects thugs criminals or any other means of violence to control people you are delusional

I may be delusional but I'm clearly not alone...

Don't know where you get the idea of respecting thugs or criminals from??

There's an old say that goes "peace through superior firepower." That statement is 100% true...WW3 would have broke out long ago if we didn't have the ability to destroy Russia during the Cold War.

 

[Bumblebee]

I'd kill for the last boston cream donut in the box....

 

[Zerks]

Nobody respects thugs criminals or any other means of violence to control people you are delusional

Well, yes, at a distance that is safe from danger to life or limb. When the gun is pointed at you by a thug the best choice is to show respect by complying with any demands the thug makes.

 

[michael parris heuberger]

Well, yes, at a distance that is safe from danger to life or limb. When the gun is pointed at you by a thug the best choice is to show respect by complying with any demands the thug makes.

Hi. I go out of my way to not kill an animal. I do not like to see anyone getting hurt. I just want peace for the world, but fat chance for that. I will do what ever it takes to help some one. I have taken a lot of courses in when to fire when not to fire and some are so hard to figure out. Just be the best person you can be.

 

[Bumblebee]

Hi. I go out of my way to not kill an animal. I do not like to see anyone getting hurt. I just want peace for the world, but fat chance for that. I will do what ever it takes to help some one. I have taken a lot of courses in when to fire when not to fire and some are so hard to figure out. Just be the best person you can be.

I don't find that out of place at all with a guy who has had the experiences you've had..

When you've shot a weapon in anger/fear at another human being, it changes your outlook on life.

 

[michael parris heuberger]

I don't find that out of place at all with a guy who has had the experiences you've had..

When you've shot a weapon in anger/fear at another human being, it changes your outlook on life.

Hi. Yes it sure does. I do not know if this is the sad part or what but I would do it again if I had too. We just had 3 shoot outs between 2 gangs in New Bedford over the weekend.All over drugs turf.

 

[Bumblebee]

If Russia was using their head, this would have been the first thing they did...cutting the tail off the dragon....if weapons, ammo and supplies can't get to the combatants, the war ends a lot quicker...

Of course Russia has it's own logistical woes to overcome....

The west is basically fighting a proxy war, it's a fine line between actually engaging in battle to supplying all the arms and ammo to fight it.

MSN

 

[TallTom]

If Russia was using their head, this would have been the first thing they did...cutting the tail off the dragon....if weapons, ammo and supplies can't get to the combatants, the war ends a lot quicker...

Of course Russia has it's own logistical woes to overcome....

The west is basically fighting a proxy war, it's a fine line between actually engaging in battle to supplying all the arms and ammo to fight it.

MSN

I think Ukraine should target more assets well inside Russian territory. Let them start to fear what they felt was safely protected.

 

[Bumblebee]

I think Ukraine should target more assets well inside Russian territory. Let them start to fear what they felt was safely protected.

Take the fight to the invader....makes sense. Maybe Ukraine can cut off their tail..

 

[SSLogistics]

I don't know how many tactical or strategic withdrawals you have been involved with but I have been involved with several and there is no such thing as a simple withdrawal of equipment on a large of scale as this would have been.....

I almost laughed out loud to myself when I read your comment regarding "gathering it up and flying it our" talk about not focusing on reading posts...I spelt out how that would have gone already.....there is absolutely no way short of launching a full scale mission of several hundred thousand troops and support to gather up that equipment not to mention trying to fly it out....it would take every strategic cargo aircraft in the US inventory to do this in any sort of short time frame.

The US withdraw might have seemed rushed but remember there were only 5000 US military members still in theater when he ordered the final pull out...out of those 5000 members a small number of them are combat troops.

The similarity between the withdraw of Viet Nam and Afghanistan are remarkably similar...any and all civilians were wanting to leave the country by any means they could....many of these civilians' contracts to work with NATO were long since expired as many of the bases were already turned over to the ANA.

If we talk about the media sensationalizing events, this was one of them.

I don't know how many tactical or strategic withdrawals you have been involved with but I have been involved with several and there is no such thing as a simple withdrawal of equipment on a large of scale as this would have been.....

I almost laughed out loud to myself when I read your comment regarding "gathering it up and flying it our" talk about not focusing on reading posts...I spelt out how that would have gone already.....there is absolutely no way short of launching a full scale mission of several hundred thousand troops and support to gather up that equipment not to mention trying to fly it out....it would take every strategic cargo aircraft in the US inventory to do this in any sort of short time frame.

The US withdraw might have seemed rushed but remember there were only 5000 US military members still in theater when he ordered the final pull out...out of those 5000 members a small number of them are combat troops.

The similarity between the withdraw of Viet Nam and Afghanistan are remarkably similar...any and all civilians were wanting to leave the country by any means they could....many of these civilians' contracts to work with NATO were long since expired as many of the bases were already turned over to the ANA.

If we talk about the media sensationalizing events, this was one of them.

You said you do NOT want to make comparisons! You would probably be better off. Do you think I chose my screen name just to beat you up on this one issue?

Have you seen the list of equipment "left behind"/donated? SEVERAL HUNDRED THOUSAND TROOPS !!!! Talk about LOL about a comment. I am sorry your training was so weak!!!!!

 

[TallTom]

Take the fight to the invader....makes sense. Maybe Ukraine can cut off their tail..

With the new advanced drones they are getting, I think range is one of the classified parts. I worked in the very early version of it. Electronics are smaller now. So I'll take an educated guess at 120ish mile range. Not including loitering fuel.

I do not know the ordinance now but back then we could eff up a lot of surface targets with cluster bombs from it. And that was 20+ years ago.

 

[Bumblebee]

With the new advanced drones they are getting, I think range is one of the classified parts. I worked in the very early version of it. Electronics are smaller now. So I'll take an educated guess at 120ish mile range. Not including loitering fuel.

I do not know the ordinance now but back then we could eff up a lot of surface targets with cluster bombs from it. And that was 20+ years ago.

If this same conflict and equipment were being fought against the west, low altitude drones would be easily neutralized with EW systems...it seems the Russian EW tech is not up to the task.

I've read high altitude drones are getting stealth tech....that would make them harder to defend against.

I've called fire from Predator and Reaper drones, they use precision guided ordinance and are very effective.

 

[WuzzaCBXRider]

What’s this “SEVERAL HUNDRED THOUSAND TROOPS” BS?

 

[TallTom]

If this same conflict and equipment were being fought against the west, low altitude drones would be easily neutralized with EW systems...it seems the Russian EW tech is not up to the task.

I've read high altitude drones are getting stealth tech....that would make them harder to defend against.

I've called fire from Predator and Reaper drones, they use precision guided ordinance and are very effective.

So back in my day we developed smart and smart autonomous. The later had pre-programmed destination and it had the ability to locate and identify the target. And discern it from other targets. Essentially a smaller version of a cruise missle. It could hunt on its own. A one trick pony but a pretty good trick.

You couldn't jam them because it was just running a one and done program. It was smart for it's one trick. They were pretty cheap and pretty good at its job. Very difficult to hit as it used the low level flight like (50 feet) terrain avoidance. Then pitch up at the last minute. You can't fire at it fast enough in that last second or so.

It's Achilles heel was if you are say taking out a specific tank and it was embedded in a group of them, it simply did a best guess and damaged anything that it could without knowing which one was the correct one.

The smarter ones are what most see now. Because it downlinks back to an operator and the operator can change its mind anyway they want.

They look better on TV and are more high tech. But yeah as soon as there is data streaming it's vulnerable to jamming.

 

[Bumblebee]

So back in my day we developed smart and smart autonomous. The later had pre-programmed destination and it had the ability to locate and identify the target. And discern it from other targets. Essentially a smaller version of a cruise missle. It could hunt on its own. A one trick pony but a pretty good trick.

You couldn't jam them because it was just running a one and done program. It was smart for it's one trick. They were pretty cheap and pretty good at its job. Very difficult to hit as it used the low level flight like (50 feet) terrain avoidance. Then pitch up at the last minute. You can't fire at it fast enough in that last second or so.

It's Achilles heel was if you are say taking out a specific tank and it was embedded in a group of them, it simply did a best guess and damaged anything that it could without knowing which one was the correct one.

The smarter ones are what most see now. Because it downlinks back to an operator and the operator can change its mind anyway they want.

They look better on TV and are more high tech. But yeah as soon as there is data streaming it's vulnerable to jamming.

I talked to an artillery officer quite a few years ago during a symposium on advanced tech and how we could use it in spec ops....the Excaliber artillery round was new tech, I've seen it in action and it's quite accurate and saves quite a bit of collateral damage.

While attached with a US team, they told us about the drones you mentioned that have a pre-programmed targeting system....they said it had the ability to move onto a secondary target if the primary was destroyed......

Most of the drones I used were to provide targeting or observation. We normally always had some sort of drone or airborne oversight on our missions.

 

[TallTom]

I talked to an artillery officer quite a few years ago during a symposium on advanced tech and how we could use it in spec ops....the Excaliber artillery round was new tech, I've seen it in action and it's quite accurate and saves quite a bit of collateral damage.

While attached with a US team, they told us about the drones you mentioned that have a pre-programmed targeting system....they said it had the ability to move onto a secondary target if the primary was destroyed......

Most of the drones I used were to provide targeting or observation. We normally always had some sort of drone or airborne oversight on our missions.

To some extent yes. In those days the concept of multiple targeting was limited by on board computing. It took up a lot of software to recognize a target, seek it out when instructed and discriminate against what not to hit. Now we can probably do it for 20 profiles. But in those days computers were still space monsters that had to have Faraday Cages etc. And it had to share space with a navigation computer, a terrain following computer, and a guidance computer. It had to also carry fuel and boom boom. For cheap. We were cranking them out for about 50K. Largely because we used a lot of off the shelf options. Some miniaturizing of radar was done.

20 years ago is like caveman days by today's standards.

 

[Bumblebee]

So back in my day we developed smart and smart autonomous. The later had pre-programmed destination and it had the ability to locate and identify the target. And discern it from other targets. Essentially a smaller version of a cruise missle. It could hunt on its own. A one trick pony but a pretty good trick.

You couldn't jam them because it was just running a one and done program. It was smart for it's one trick. They were pretty cheap and pretty good at its job. Very difficult to hit as it used the low level flight like (50 feet) terrain avoidance. Then pitch up at the last minute. You can't fire at it fast enough in that last second or so.

It's Achilles heel was if you are say taking out a specific tank and it was embedded in a group of them, it simply did a best guess and damaged anything that it could without knowing which one was the correct one.

The smarter ones are what most see now. Because it downlinks back to an operator and the operator can change its mind anyway they want.

They look better on TV and are more high tech. But yeah as soon as there is data streaming it's vulnerable to jamming.

I talked to an artillery officer quite a few years ago during a symposium on advanced tech and how we could use it in spec ops....the Excaliber artillery round was new tech, I've seen it in action and it's quite accurate and saves quite a bit of collateral damage.

While attached with a US team, they told us about the drones you mentioned that have a pre-programmed targeting system....they said it had the ability to move onto a secondary target if the primary was destroyed......

Most of the drones I used were to provide targeting or observation. We normally always had some sort of drone or airborne oversight on our missions.

To some extent yes. In those days the concept of multiple targeting was limited by on board computing. It took up a lot of software to recognize a target, seek it out when instructed and discriminate against what not to hit. Now we can probably do it for 20 profiles. But in those days computers were still space monsters that had to have Faraday Cages etc. And it had to share space with a navigation computer, a terrain following computer, and a guidance computer. It had to also carry fuel and boom boom. For cheap. We were cranking them out for about 50K. Largely because we used a lot of off the shelf options. Some miniaturizing of radar was done.

20 years ago is like caveman days by today's standards.

It's amazing at how fast technology progresses....we were exposed to more tech than conventional forces.

We had autonomous vehicles at our disposal...some of our autonomous ground vehicles had VR capability...we could use them for 360' recces as well as self defense as we had a few of them that were armed, the operator could shoot the weapon platform via VR from kms away...

Tech is making it very difficult to operate covertly on the battlefield. Our EW jamming systems are really effective but it's hard to hide from high altitude drones or satellites.

 

[SSLogistics]

What’s this “SEVERAL HUNDRED THOUSAND TROOPS” BS?

Ask your boy the super soldier...he seems to have slinked away from recent replies.

 

[WuzzaCBXRider]

I figured you couldn’t answer the question.