dudewizr
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There are however scientific laws that support these problems. The 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics.
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because there is 6000% more hypocracy that goes on in the secular world than the stuff that is publisized in the media in the religious world. but it's not called 'hypocracy', it's called situational ethics or something similar. someone who claims to send "prayers" to someone and doesn't, is outright lieing. flame me if ya want, but think about it. Isn't it the same as saying, "Yeah, I'll send you some money", checking your wallet to discover you really don't have any, then NOT sending any?
and what's with the publishing BOOKS in posts? no one has time to read that. provide a link instead and if it's interesting people can bookmark and come back. I'll admit I get long winded trying to explain a perspective but at least it is MY words that I type. I'd prefer to read words from people here, not just googled info.
love - life - sex - god - faith - friends - family - purpose - science - fact - fiction...
and through it all SCIENCE will NEVER be able to disprove my ability to accept the truth that there IS more out there than I will know about, and science could ever prove to me.
In the arena of Science VS emotion/spirituality, science doesn't stand a chance. Because the only thing it can do is prove we are nothing more than $22 of flesh and bone. We are not. Emotions/ spirituality makes us priceless!!
true, but it will be able to prove your truth to be false.
Formation of the universe from nothing need not violate conservation of energy(The first law of thermodynamics). The gravitational potential energy of a gravitational field is a negative energy. When all the gravitational potential energy is added to all the other energy in the universe, it might sum to zero (Guth 1997, 9-12,271-276; Tryon 1973).
The second law of thermodynamics says no such thing. It says that heat will not spontaneously flow from a colder body to a warmer one or, equivalently, that total entropy (a measure of useful energy) in a closed system will not decrease.
OOPPS, sorry WWJD
the real deal about Laws of Thermodynamics
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yea thats the neat thing about debates for every example given each way there are 30 disproving it, this debate goes nowhere cause there is no GENUINE proof either way
The problem is that it's human nature to look for mysterious and spooky where there is none. To look for a way to feel important, special, unique. It's the Human fear of death that most people cannot deal with that creates the window for a "Religion".
Mormans, Christians, Scientoligists
, Islam, on and on... All Nice stories told to the followers so they could sleep well at night, remain under control, and have an established set of rules (RE-written through time to fit the current need), AVOID responsibility for your own actions, and finally to ease the fear of death.
THIS IS WHY you have such huge numbers clinging and wanting to believe. NOBODY wants to die, they want to believe that THEY WILL GO ON LIVING.
Hell, organized religion exists to help folks be less afraid of their own impending death. It's EASY to prey on this kind of fear, it's a deep seated and compelling fear.
So WWJD, Yeah I believe quite simply that the VAST Majority of those CLAIMING to be Christians or whatever, tend to be little more than frightened folks looking for some answers to ease their fear. No real faith, just WISHING that they believed.
Reasons folks flock...
-Fear of death.
-Desire to be free of responsibility.
-Desire to belong to SOMETHING.
-Need to feel superior to "THOSE EVIL PEOPLE".
-Desire to feel Special, HELL some of ya actually say "I'm one of 'GODS' Childeren" (careful remember what happened to the last guy.)
-Safety, The Church has a lot of power, more so in the past but still a pretty good survival method is to claim Faith when they light up them stakes...
-Force feeding from Childhood, this is where we need warning labels on the Bible and other religious texts.
Warning Label
Mormans, Christians, Scientoligists
THIS IS WHY you have such huge numbers clinging and wanting to believe. NOBODY wants to die, they want to believe that THEY WILL GO ON LIVING.
Hell, organized religion exists to help folks be less afraid of their own impending death. It's EASY to prey on this kind of fear, it's a deep seated and compelling fear.
So WWJD, Yeah I believe quite simply that the VAST Majority of those CLAIMING to be Christians or whatever, tend to be little more than frightened folks looking for some answers to ease their fear. No real faith, just WISHING that they believed.
Reasons folks flock...
-Fear of death.
-Desire to be free of responsibility.
-Desire to belong to SOMETHING.
-Need to feel superior to "THOSE EVIL PEOPLE".
-Desire to feel Special, HELL some of ya actually say "I'm one of 'GODS' Childeren" (careful remember what happened to the last guy.)
-Safety, The Church has a lot of power, more so in the past but still a pretty good survival method is to claim Faith when they light up them stakes...
-Force feeding from Childhood, this is where we need warning labels on the Bible and other religious texts.
Warning Label
I speak of the truth of being able to have faith in things that science will never explain. science will keep you locked up in the box of, "It HAS to be explainable". fact is, some things can't. my religion helped me discover that and BOY does it free you up! my discovery was more about people than theories and science.
chalk it up
Life: 1 Science: 0
I see a bunch of theories about physical mechanics WE HAVE DEFINED AND UNDERSTAND.... where's the part that says there could be something we can not see, nor understand filling in all the free space or existign on a completely different level altogether?
Electricity existed before we tapped into it. But that means it DID exist, but we didn't understand it. Again, there could be more there than we know about.
Find in my posts where I stated I was ANTI evolution? I'm onboard with the God's design, growing or evolving whatever, but created by superior being. That's why I say this is really about Does God exist, not Evo VS creat
Let me ask a blunt non-religious question of non-believers here:
Do you beleive it is possible that more things exist than we presently know about individually and/or through science?
I'm not asking do you believe in any God, just do you believe it is possible for ANYTHING more to exist that science has not explained and you can not see, hear, feel, taste? Do you believe there could be more?
Do you beleive it is possible that more things exist than we presently know about individually and/or through science?
I'm not asking do you believe in any God, just do you believe it is possible for ANYTHING more to exist that science has not explained and you can not see, hear, feel, taste? Do you believe there could be more?
yes I know there is more we cant explain, or dont know. But I belive given enough time we will know it or explain it. This has been proven over and over again just like the electricity example you used.
Wrong, when did science say that? Please show me I would love to know.
RaveCrusader
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Facts change as we learn more about not only what challenges existing facts but where the existing facts and truth came from in the first place.
It all comes down to one thing; levels of likelihood.
As time and science have moved forward in the last few thousand years it has shown a continual divergence from long adopted religious beliefs. It has been a sharp divergence in the last few hundred years. When things seemed less understood and predictable it was easier assign meaning to supernatural forces. The more we understand about the world/universe around us, the more likely we are able to understand and predict what happens to us.
I used to believe in religion and the supernatural a great deal. But the more I have learned where religion and ideas of the supernatural came from along with learning what the scientific method has shown it leads me to think that many things are possible and still not understood; but they are not very likely.
So, it is possible that there is a god and creationism is how it all happened. But it is far less likely then evolution.
It all comes down to one thing; levels of likelihood.
As time and science have moved forward in the last few thousand years it has shown a continual divergence from long adopted religious beliefs. It has been a sharp divergence in the last few hundred years. When things seemed less understood and predictable it was easier assign meaning to supernatural forces. The more we understand about the world/universe around us, the more likely we are able to understand and predict what happens to us.
I used to believe in religion and the supernatural a great deal. But the more I have learned where religion and ideas of the supernatural came from along with learning what the scientific method has shown it leads me to think that many things are possible and still not understood; but they are not very likely.
So, it is possible that there is a god and creationism is how it all happened. But it is far less likely then evolution.
Remember this all started with the theory of evolution, but was it really a theory? Did or does it meet the standard to be a theory? A set of facts, propositions, or principles analyzed in their relation to one another and used, especially in science, to explain phenomena? No, it was never tested, no results have ever been shown to exists and to this date has a cell even in the best and cleanest lab environments have yet to spontaneously begin life.
Yes there are debates, but the biggest problem with evolution is why has it stopped!
Yes human change and adapt along with all other species, but if evolution was really happening there would be hundreds of species changing from one to another and fossils records of past changes. How many part monkey part man have or anything else have ever been found? Zero.
So this theory which really is only a hypotheses (a tentative explanation for a phenomenon, used as a basis for further investigation) which is currently doubt by some of the best biologist in the world and have them activity looking for other answer because the more we learn the clearer evolution is full of holes.
Creation has one hole, do you believe? Do you believe 1000 of stories can be told around the world before the days of radios, tv, computes and all the stories are the same. I can not even spread a story around the office and have it be the same as it begun.
The genetic code is so complex you have better odds of tornado hitting a junk yard and in its wake leaving a fully functional 747, than getting all the DNA codes lined up to make human life.
I believe!
Yes there are debates, but the biggest problem with evolution is why has it stopped!
Yes human change and adapt along with all other species, but if evolution was really happening there would be hundreds of species changing from one to another and fossils records of past changes. How many part monkey part man have or anything else have ever been found? Zero.
So this theory which really is only a hypotheses (a tentative explanation for a phenomenon, used as a basis for further investigation) which is currently doubt by some of the best biologist in the world and have them activity looking for other answer because the more we learn the clearer evolution is full of holes.
Creation has one hole, do you believe? Do you believe 1000 of stories can be told around the world before the days of radios, tv, computes and all the stories are the same. I can not even spread a story around the office and have it be the same as it begun.
The genetic code is so complex you have better odds of tornado hitting a junk yard and in its wake leaving a fully functional 747, than getting all the DNA codes lined up to make human life.
I believe!
all completly untrue, let the strawmen fly!!
Dembski has provided only one detailed application of his method to biology, namely to the flagellum of the bacterium E. coli. This occurs in his latest book No Free Lunch. In this case, the natural hypothesis which Dembski considers is the hypothesis that the flagellum appeared as a result of a purely random combination of proteins. It does not take into account any non-random effects. Most significantly, it ignores natural selection, the central principle of evolution theory. The hypothesis of purely random combination is already universally rejected by biologists (it is the old creationist "tornado in a junkyard" straw man), so Dembski's consideration of this hypothesis serves no useful function, and the probability calculation which he uses to reject the hypothesis is irrelevant.
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RaveCrusader
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When did evolution stop?
When you are dealing with timelines of species and evolution you are dealing with hundreds of thousands of years at a time. It is measured by generations more then anything else. By human timelines, it is a slow process. There is evidence to the contrary that evolution has stopped. If you want proof of evolution look to the differences in current humans. Once populations are isolated for few generations they begin to show their adaptation to their specific environment.
Take Eskimos and African Tribes people. They are the same genus and species; Homo Sapiens. They can still interbreed yet there are drastic physical and physiological differences. This is called micro evolution.
Some people need to take a physical anthropology class. It will answer a lot of questions about the process of evolution and how the theory came about.
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