Ten states on the verge of bankruptcy

[Justyntym]

BTW-while Obama is busy trying to say the recession is over...
My factory is cutting production yet again THIS WEEK and laying off 50% of the
workforce.

We had 3 factorys in the city, each of about 120+ employees running full blast with
backlogs to 1 factory with about 25 people running 1/5th of the volume
WHEN WE WORK which is about every other week.

So don't anyone tell me it's getting better...I'm making a 1/3rd of what I was
making 3 years ago....a 66% pay cut. (and in January they get me yet again)

All that wall street and juggle these numbers BS is just that, BS....the only number
that really matters right now is unemployement. If they can't affect that in
a huge way, nothing else matters. I don't care if the dow rose a few points
today....

Where the hell is that stimulas money...???

 

[Haya01B]

I lost three jobs during Prez. Bush and VP Chen reign due to companies running overseas for cheap labor. There is one of your big problems that Prez. Bush just ignored when in office. If you want to point a finger you better point it at the people giving you the pink slip. They could care less about your Busa, house, car or any other payments. If you think Prez. Obama or anybody else can turn this mess around in a few months than you are just a crazy as the rest of the diluted people running around talking about Prez. Obama is the blame.

 

[TonyMastodon]

I too have lost a few jobs during the bush reign.... now I'm at a company who did lay offs (75% of the company) during the end of bushes last year... now that obama is in office, we are so slammed with work! Its great!... obama is spending money on science again (bush said no)... and since we sell weather equipment to the airforce, firedepartments and airports. We are making so much money.
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[J'Man]

I lost three jobs during Prez. Bush and VP Chen reign due to companies running overseas for cheap labor. There is one of your big problems that Prez. Bush just ignored when in office. If you want to point a finger you better point it at the people giving you the pink slip. They could care less about your Busa, house, car or any other payments. If you think Prez. Obama or anybody else can turn this mess around in a few months than you are just a crazy as the rest of the diluted people running around talking about Prez. Obama is the blame.

Do you agree with Obama's methods and the path he is taking the country on? I'm just wondering, because I can't honestly rationalize why anyone would agree with his methodology. It's already been tried and it didn't work. The power is in the people not the government. While I disagreed with some of Bush's policies such as the outsourcing you referenced above, I think some of the items such as the war couldn't be avoided due to 9/11. I don't want to get into finger pointing, because honestly it doesn't help our current situation, however here are a couple of points of interest to keep in mind before we begin throwing stones at Bush:

Clinton was the one who opened up the sub-prime market (against Greenspan's advice).

When Bush got in office he asked for an oversight committee on several occassions for fear of exactly what happened, however the DEM controlled congress denied it time and time again.

I just want to make sure if you're blaming people for the economy you know exactly where to place the rest of the blame. Another interesting fact is that war spending is one of the main things that brought us out of the Great Depression. Just sayin'

Personally I agree with Doug. I haven't been real happy with either party, however I've been trying to pick the lessor of the two evils by voting for the republican party. I think it's time for the American people to stand up and say enough is enough. Until short term limits are put in place we're going to see these "career" politicians staying in office and looking out for special interest. It's time to move the power back to the people and get it out of the hands of these corrupt politicians.

 

[Dino]

To clairify my McCain statement:
I have tremendous respect for McCain, he made of much tougher stuff
than I. Had I been subjected to a daily regement of true torture and been
given an oppurtunity to end it and leave...and McCain chose to remain.

As far as a President, McCain is not my first choice nor do I agree with all
his philosophies but his love of country I don't think can be questioned.
I think he was a far far better choice than the overseeeing socialist hell we
are headed for. Anyone want to point out a sucessful example of a
Socialist or Communist country that actuall works or has people that are
NOT trying to get out of. Socialism is the absense of FREEDOM and pushes
everyone down to the lowest common denominator.

Obama has zero love of this country and the things that made it great. He
has a completely different agenda.

Anyone think Obama would volunteer to stay if being tortured by the Vietnamese?
He will run us down and sell us out to the rest of the world, and
that's from the white house not a hotbox in the jungle.

When you say "actually works" what would be your measure of success? Many could say that our high crime rate is evidence that our system doesn't work. Or that our students lower test scores and rate of poverty or infant mortality or capital punishment are all examples of our system not working. I don't agree with this but it could be easily used to support a position.

I also don't see a lot of people trying to get out of: Sweden, Denmark, France, Germany, UK, Belgium, Canada...all socialist (or more left leaning that the US)

BTW-while Obama is busy trying to say the recession is over...
My factory is cutting production yet again THIS WEEK and laying off 50% of the
workforce.

We had 3 factorys in the city, each of about 120+ employees running full blast with
backlogs to 1 factory with about 25 people running 1/5th of the volume
WHEN WE WORK which is about every other week.

So don't anyone tell me it's getting better...I'm making a 1/3rd of what I was
making 3 years ago....a 66% pay cut. (and in January they get me yet again)

All that wall street and juggle these numbers BS is just that, BS....the only number
that really matters right now is unemployement. If they can't affect that in
a huge way, nothing else matters. I don't care if the dow rose a few points
today....

Where the hell is that stimulas money...???

When companies lay off workers their raise their bottom line and therefore can say they are doing better. If companies are reporting that they are doing better then we are emerging from the recession, right? Remember in a capitalist system of econimics workers are a liability because they eat up profits. This is why business gravitate to locations where they can get labor at the lowest possible costs.


The real issue is greed. The economic\social, system be it capitalist, socialist or communist doesn't matter when greed is the central focus of a society. There is nothing about any of the three that limit freedom or democracy unless you believe that your freedom includes being greedy at the expense of others.

Do you agree with Obama's methods and the path he is taking the country on? I'm just wondering, because I can't honestly rationalize why anyone would agree with his methodology. It's already been tried and it didn't work. The power is in the people not the government. While I disagreed with some of Bush's policies such as the outsourcing you referenced above, I think some of the items such as the war couldn't be avoided due to 9/11. The war in Afghanistan yes, in Iraq..no

 

[NINJA KILLER]

I am suprised that Kansas isn't on that list . We are getting told to expect furlows soon.

 

[Tufbusa]

Where the hell is that stimulas money...???

Stimulas Money? You are confused! That is Obama's personal slush fund. Little of that money is going into the economy until 2012 when our leader intends to buy his way back into the whitehouse!

This country is in sad shape. We are at a point in which we could slip into the catagory of a Banana Republic very easily!

If we don't take responsibility of our own actions and get our lazy arses to the voting booth and vote these radicals out, we deserve what we get!

 

[Haya01B]

Do you agree with Obama's methods and the path he is taking the country on? I'm just wondering, because I can't honestly rationalize why anyone would agree with his methodology. It's already been tried and it didn't work. The power is in the people not the government. While I disagreed with some of Bush's policies such as the outsourcing you referenced above, I think some of the items such as the war couldn't be avoided due to 9/11. I don't want to get into finger pointing, because honestly it doesn't help our current situation, however here are a couple of points of interest to keep in mind before we begin throwing stones at Bush:

Clinton was the one who opened up the sub-prime market (against Greenspan's advice).

When Bush got in office he asked for an oversight committee on several occassions for fear of exactly what happened, however the DEM controlled congress denied it time and time again.

I just want to make sure if you're blaming people for the economy you know exactly where to place the rest of the blame. Another interesting fact is that war spending is one of the main things that brought us out of the Great Depression. Just sayin'

Personally I agree with Doug. I haven't been real happy with either party, however I've been trying to pick the lessor of the two evils by voting for the republican party. I think it's time for the American people to stand up and say enough is enough. Until short term limits are put in place we're going to see these "career" politicians staying in office and looking out for special interest. It's time to move the power back to the people and get it out of the hands of these corrupt politicians.

Bush and his buddies had your war money going into the pockets of private contractors like Blackwater and such. Like I said before a war we could not afford. A lot of people like to laugh at Russia for its economy falling years ago. Who's laughing now! We are losing a lot of money and a lot of lives for what? The smart thing would have been to just beef up homeland security and left it at that. We lost more than the World Trade Center and a piece of the Pentagon in the past 8 years.

Another note is God bless this and that. As I recall in this particular religion revenge is not the believers deed to act on and thou shalt not kill was on that list along with love thy enemy. Hum, seems to me a lot of those rules were broken. I guess if you really believe then you know what comes next with breaking those rules and repenting is not an option.

I love to hear the Rep party scream about losing their freedom. Like they have to go around back to get their food or sit on the back of the bus or drink from separate fountains.LOL

 

[Justyntym]

Bush and his buddies had your war money going into the pockets of private contractors like Blackwater and such. Like I said before a war we could not afford. A lot of people like to laugh at Russia for its economy falling years ago. Who's laughing now! We are losing a lot of money and a lot of lives for what? The smart thing would have been to just beef up homeland security and left it at that. We lost more than the World Trade Center and a piece of the Pentagon in the past 8 years.

Another note is God bless this and that. As I recall in this particular religion revenge is not the believers deed to act on and thou shalt not kill was on that list along with love thy enemy. Hum, seems to me a lot of those rules were broken. I guess if you really believe then you know what comes next with breaking those rules and repenting is not an option.

I love to hear the Rep party scream about losing their freedom. Like they have to go around back to get their food or sit on the back of the bus or drink from separate fountains.LOL

As far as the Iraq war and Afgan for that matter is all highly debatable and
I'll let the people that are actually there on a daily basis (the soldiers themselves)
tell me if it's a worthy cause or a waste of life. There seem to be a lot of them
pulling multiple tours and there have not been any more 9/11s on our soil since.
Regardless there is a huge difference between funding a conflict and giving
Trillions to the worthless (in health care) or billions to fund his own agenda
such as Acorn.

As far as religion goes your taking a lot of things out of context in the bible
God also sent the tribes of Israel into battle to conquer their enemies, time and
again...An eye for an eye...If your thinking the Christian thing is to sit on
a corner while the enemy walks around with Ak47s and hope lightening strikes them
if we get shot...don't think that is what God has in mind.

And it's not about revenge as it is justice and pre-emptive action to prevent it
happening again.

If you don't think it's about loosing freedom, read the cap and trade bill.
Not to mention your about to be forced into paying for healthcare and the
list goes on...I guess when Obama signs the global "feel good" treaty, take our
guns, and the world decides either your busa makes to much pollution and
the de-smog it down to 100hp or they decide you don't need a 190mph motorcycle,
the light bulb will finally go off.

 

[TonyMastodon]

As far as the Iraq war and Afgan for that matter is all highly debatable and
I'll let the people that are actually there on a daily basis (the soldiers themselves)
tell me if it's a worthy cause or a waste of life. There seem to be a lot of them
pulling multiple tours and there have not been any more 9/11s on our soil since.
QUOTE]


My roommate was in Afganinstan of 3 years... just got out of the military and went national guard JUST to go back... Hes an E6 and he can talk to you for HOURS about how its a pointless/meaningless "war". And people mulling multiple tours, they are doing it for the money. they arent doing it because its fun or they wanna help complete the bush agenda.

As for the "not been any more 9/11s on our soil since"... amazing statement.
Really??? you mean BIG attack right?... but the little attacks dont matter right?



3/19/2002 USA Tuscon, AZ A 60-year-old man is gunned down by Muslim snipers on a golf course.

5/27/2002 USA Denton, TX Muslim snipers kill a man as he works in his yard.

7/4/2002 USA Los Angeles, CA Muslim man pulls out a gun at the counter of an Israeli airline and kills two people.

9/5/2002 USA Clinton, MD A 55-year-old pizzaria owner is shot six times in the back by Muslims at close range.

9/21/2002 USA Montgomery, AL Muslim snipers shoot two women, killing one.

9/23/2002 USA Baton Rouge, LA A Korean mother is shot in the back by Muslim snipers.

10/2/2002 USA Wheaton, MD Muslim snipers gun down a program analyst in a store parking lot.

10/3/2002 USA Montgomery County, MD Muslim snipers kill three men and two women in separate attacks over a 15-hour period.

10/9/2002 USA Manassas, VA A man is killed by Muslim snipers while pumping gas two days after a 13-year-old is wounded by the same team.

10/11/2002 USA Fredericksburg, VA Another man is killed by Muslim snipers while pumping gas.

10/14/2002 USA Arlington, VA A woman is killed by Muslim snipers in a Home Depot parking lot.

10/22/2002 USA Aspen Hill, MD A bus driver is killed by Muslim snipers.

8/6/2003 USA Houston, TX After undergoing a religious revival, a Saudi college student slashes the throat of a Jewish student with a 4" butterfly knife, nearly decapitating the young man.

12/2/2003 USA Chicago, IL A Muslim doctor deliberately allows a Jewish patient to die from an easily treatable condition.

4/13/2004 USA Raleigh, NC A Muslim man runs down five strangers with a car.

4/15/2004 USA Scottsville, NY In an honor killing, a Muslim father kills his wife and attacks his two daughters with a knife and hammer because he feared that they had been sexually molested.

6/16/2006 USA Baltimore, MD A 62-year-old Jewish moviegoer is shot to death by a Muslim gunman in an unprovoked terror attack.

6/25/2006 USA Denver, CO Saying that it was 'Allah's choice', a Muslim shoots four of his co-workers and a police officer.

7/28/2006 USA Seattle, WA An 'angry' Muslim-American uses a young girl as hostage to enter a local Jewish center, where he shoots six women, one of whom dies.

10/6/2006 USA Louisville, KY In an 'honor' attack, a Muslim man rapes and beats his estranged wife, leaving her for dead, then savagely murders their four children.

2/13/2007 USA Salt Lake City, UT A Muslim immigrant goes on a shooting rampage at a mall, targeting people buying Valentine's Day cards at a gift shop and killing five.

1/1/2008 USA Irving, TX A Muslim immigrant shoots his two daughters to death on concerns about their 'Western' lifestyle.

7/6/2008 USA Jonesboro, GA A devout Muslim strangles his 25-year-old daughter in an honor killing.

2/12/2009 USA Buffalo, NY The founder of a Muslim TV station beheads his wife in the hallway for seeking a divorce.

6/1/2009 USA Little Rock, AR A Muslim with 'religious motives' shoots a local soldier to death inside a recruiting center.

11/2/2009 USA Glendale, AZ A woman dies from injuries suffered when her father runs her down with a car for being too 'Westernized.' (10-20-09)

11/5/2009 USA Ft. Hood, TX A Muslim psychiatrist guns down thirteen unarmed soldiers while yelling praises to Allah.

 

[Justyntym]

well tony, I respect your roommates opinion greatly.
However, I part timed in a gunshop and spoke with quite a few Iraq
vets and I asked a lot because I felt we can't trust the media...and they
told me without exception:
1-Don't believe the lying media.
2-They were doing great work there.
To be honest and fair, this was a few years ago and it was Iraq not
Afgan, things may have changed and/or the whole thing is argumentitive
and opinion like I said. I'm not there...I don't know, I only listen.

All those examples you listed, of course they are important (not quite the world trade
center actually)
It also represents the level of insanity on which we must try and deal with (or not)
and why Obama kissing the worlds azz to try and make them like us is fruitile.
You can't REASON with them.
Your list makes a good point for stricter immigration laws and begin deportation

 

[Dino]

As far as the Iraq war and Afgan for that matter is all highly debatable and
I'll let the people that are actually there on a daily basis (the soldiers themselves)
tell me if it's a worthy cause or a waste of life. There seem to be a lot of them
pulling multiple tours and there have not been any more 9/11s on our soil since.
Regardless there is a huge difference between funding a conflict and giving
Trillions to the worthless (in health care) or billions to fund his own agenda
such as Acorn.

As far as religion goes your taking a lot of things out of context in the bible
God also sent the tribes of Israel into battle to conquer their enemies, time and
again...An eye for an eye...If your thinking the Christian thing is to sit on
a corner while the enemy walks around with Ak47s and hope lightening strikes them
if we get shot...don't think that is what God has in mind.

And it's not about revenge as it is justice and pre-emptive action to prevent it
happening again.

If you don't think it's about loosing freedom, read the cap and trade bill.
Not to mention your about to be forced into paying for healthcare and the
list goes on...I guess when Obama signs the global "feel good" treaty, take our
guns, and the world decides either your busa makes to much pollution and
the de-smog it down to 100hp or they decide you don't need a 190mph motorcycle,
the light bulb will finally go off.

Come on bro, the guys that are there are going to do there best, that goes without saying. The issue is whether we should be there (Iraq) in the first place.

As for losing freedoms nothing is a better example than the Patriot Act. I can't really see Cap and Trade being worse than that.

President Obama will not touch your guns, he would not stand a chance being re-elected.

 

[TonyMastodon]

well tony, I respect your roommates opinion greatly.
However, I part timed in a gunshop and spoke with quite a few Iraq
vets and I asked a lot because I felt we can't trust the media...and they
told me without exception:
1-Don't believe the lying media.
2-They were doing great work there.
To be honest and fair, this was a few years ago and it was Iraq not
Afgan, things may have changed and/or the whole thing is argumentitive
and opinion like I said. I'm not there...I don't know, I only listen.

All those examples you listed, of course they are important (not quite the world trade
center actually)
It also represents the level of insanity on which we must try and deal with (or not)
and why Obama kissing the worlds azz to try and make them like us is fruitile.
You can't REASON with them.
Your list makes a good point for stricter immigration laws and begin deportation

I agree with you. Jesse LOVES what hes doing there for the people of afgan. Hes a medic and runs in ad station in Paktika province and loves helping the local kids there.

It really depends on the troop though. I have GREAT respect for Jesse and his friends in his squad that wanna go there and help the locals... But i have NO respect for the troops with the mind set of "Kill em all, Fing Rag heads"...
THAT is not a true american.

 

[Justyntym]

Come on bro, the guys that are there are going to do there best, that goes without saying. The issue is whether we should be there (Iraq) in the first place.

As for losing freedoms nothing is a better example than the Patriot Act. I can't really see Cap and Trade being worse than that.

President Obama will not touch your guns, he would not stand a chance being re-elected.

Your assuming Obama's asperations ends with the United States.

I believe Obama will hand the U.S. over to the United World Order
(trashing our constitution in the process) and becoming the
Chairman/President, whatever the title is, of that New United World Order.

If he can do it, Bank on it.

 

[Haya01B]

The military does not give troops a choice of what to think or do. You do as you are told in their book even if you do have your own mind and think it's wrong.

There have been terrorist living here long before the so called terrorist they are talking about today. Read about the American history. Maybe it is a case of what goes around comes around.

The bottom line is this country thrived off of people having to be screwed over and suffering. That is the way the system was set up and what is needed for it to work. What happens when you run out of domestic victims to screw over? You go export! What happens when that well runs dry? You are experiencing it now!

Enjoy your experience!

As far as the Iraq war and Afgan for that matter is all highly debatable and
I'll let the people that are actually there on a daily basis (the soldiers themselves)
tell me if it's a worthy cause or a waste of life. There seem to be a lot of them
pulling multiple tours and there have not been any more 9/11s on our soil since.
Regardless there is a huge difference between funding a conflict and giving
Trillions to the worthless (in health care) or billions to fund his own agenda
such as Acorn.

As far as religion goes your taking a lot of things out of context in the bible
God also sent the tribes of Israel into battle to conquer their enemies, time and
again...An eye for an eye...If your thinking the Christian thing is to sit on
a corner while the enemy walks around with Ak47s and hope lightening strikes them
if we get shot...don't think that is what God has in mind.

And it's not about revenge as it is justice and pre-emptive action to prevent it
happening again.

If you don't think it's about loosing freedom, read the cap and trade bill.
Not to mention your about to be forced into paying for healthcare and the
list goes on...I guess when Obama signs the global "feel good" treaty, take our
guns, and the world decides either your busa makes to much pollution and
the de-smog it down to 100hp or they decide you don't need a 190mph motorcycle,
the light bulb will finally go off.

 

[Justyntym]

The bottom line is this country thrived off of people having to be screwed over and suffering. That is the way the system was set up and what is needed for it to work. What happens when you run out of domestic victims to screw over? You go export! What happens when that well runs dry? You are experiencing it now!

Enjoy your experience!

What ???

This country has thrived off of values and hard work, innovation, and free
enterprise.

What we are experiencing is the worthless have voted themselves in for a
a bunch of free stuff from Obama's "stash". What we are forgetting is
NOTHING is free and EVERYTHING costs somebody something.

How exactly does a "domestic victim" get "screwed over"...by getting hired for
a job?

I think if you back up a bit, it was Clinton who advocated home loans to people
of questionable credit of which they defaulted and started the entire housing
and the economy crumble. Yeah THEY really got screwed over...oh but wait
I'm sure it's not their fault.

 

[Haya01B]

What ???

This country has thrived off of values and hard work, innovation, and free
enterprise.

What we are experiencing is the worthless have voted themselves in for a
a bunch of free stuff from Obama's "stash". What we are forgetting is
NOTHING is free and EVERYTHING costs somebody something.

How exactly does a "domestic victim" get "screwed over"...by getting hired for
a job?

I think if you back up a bit, it was Clinton who advocated home loans to people
of questionable credit of which they defaulted and started the entire housing
and the economy crumble. Yeah THEY really got screwed over...oh but wait
I'm sure it's not their fault.

If you think back even further it was 200 years of absolute free labor that this country thrived off of. My friend that is not looking good in the resume at all!

 

[J'Man]

If you think back even further it was 200 years of absolute free labor that this country thrived off of. My friend that is not looking good in the resume at all!

Dude this was a discussion about politics not race relations. Your hatred for America and everything she stands for is quite prevelant. I'm sorry if you feel you or your loved ones have been jaded by the past. We can't change the past we can only change the future. Continuing the cycle of hate does nothing to help move the country forward or heal race relations for that matter.

 

[Haya01B]

Hatred for America! How would you feel if you worked for 2 years and did'nt get paid one dime? This was not a I hate you and you hate me type of scale. This was country wide and in the open. I see you are from Winston Salem, NC. Look up Greensboro Child on youtube and see what happened back around the 80s just up the interstate 85 from you. Man I am sick of the terrorist talk from terrorist themselves. I love it when you try to change the subject and misdirect the truth to hating America. My point being there are a lot of variables that bring a current situation to what it is. Just like eating a lot of sugar and never brushing your teeth. What happens next? Not rocket science!

 

[kjcili]

IMO....the Gov't is full of ****. Instead of focusing on the real problem, they keep looking for ways around it. QUIT paying for low - lifes (welfare ho's) to buy Cadillacs, kick illegals out, and quit shipping OUR work overseas. You can't expect people to buy 30, 40, 50K cars when they ship the work to people that will work for 10/hr but not buy the product.... DDUUHHHHH!!! And now, to give illegals SS benefits too??!!??? And oh, let's not forget the best part, KEEP RAISING TAXES AND PRICES ON EVERYTHING WHEN WERE ALREADY IN PHUCKIN TROUBLE!!!!!! It's ridiculous, my property taxes are 7200/yr and going up, but yet my house is worth 1/3 less than it was 2 yrs ago.