Ten states on the verge of bankruptcy

[TonyMastodon]

We can't change the past we can only change the future. Continuing the cycle of hate does nothing to help move the country forward or heal race relations for that matter.

You say "continuing the cycle of hate does nothing".... Yet, most of these so called "proud americans" HATE on Obama and his views.

You know, if you were REALLY a proud american, you would back our president 100%, instead of question him on EVERYTHING he does or say.

Jesse (my room in Afgan) didnt approve of Bush WHAT SO EVER, yet he enlisted when he was in office.. NOT to help bring bushes agenda to life, but to protect this country and the people here.

Example: If someone on your football team makes a mistake, you dont bash him and call him an idiot and a failure. You forgive and forget and work together since in the end, we all want the same thing. Victory.

 

[J'Man]

You say "continuing the cycle of hate does nothing".... Yet, most of these so called "proud americans" HATE on Obama and his views.

You know, if you were REALLY a proud american, you would back our president 100%, instead of question him on EVERYTHING he does or say."


Are you serious?? Dude you're comparing apples to car tires. I can't speak for others, but I don't hate Obama. I do disagree with his views and the last time I checked that doesn't make me a racist (despite what most bleeding heart liberals think). I disagree with his policy making, but I don't hate the man. I actually pray for him almost every night as well as ALL our soldiers out there fighting for us. Unlike the far left that crucified Bush for anything and everything he did. It's amazing to me that we now have all this talk about backing our prez 100%, but that didn't seem to be an issue when Bush was in office. Come on now guys, you can't have it both ways! ???

 

[TonyMastodon]

You say "continuing the cycle of hate does nothing".... Yet, most of these so called "proud americans" HATE on Obama and his views.

You know, if you were REALLY a proud american, you would back our president 100%, instead of question him on EVERYTHING he does or say."


Are you serious?? Dude you're comparing apples to car tires. I can't speak for others, but I don't hate Obama. I do disagree with his views and the last time I checked that doesn't make me a racist (despite what most bleeding heart liberals think). I disagree with his policy making, but I don't hate the man. I actually pray for him almost every night as well as ALL our soldiers out there fighting for us. Unlike the far left that crucified Bush for anything and everything he did. It's amazing to me that we now have all this talk about backing our prez 100%, but that didn't seem to be an issue when Bush was in office. Come on now guys, you can't have it both ways! ???

Well, I had to deal with bush for 12 years of my life and i thought he was a retarded man child who was born with a silver spoon in his mouth. He didnt earn ANYTHING he has in life. To sum it up, hes a redneck hillbilly with money.

 

[Justyntym]

First of all the spicket on the "hate" BS has got to stop and now.
The "hate" BS as defined is as soon as someone has a different opinion
someone throws out the hate or "hater" label to shut down their opinion.
If I disagree with Obama, I must hate blacks...
If I'm for legal immagration, I must hate Mexicans...
etc. etc...THIS IS BULLSHT.

Because I disagree with Obama and his socialist ideals has got nothing to
do with hate and I'm not playing that game anymore nor will it keep me
silent (not that it ever did, anythhing politically correct makes me vomit).

My point is we need to stop the knee jerk hate label throw down and
continue to participate in intelligent discussions (unless ideas have run out
and it's a last resort name calling tactic, which I suspect it has always been)

Lastly it kills me that people champion Obama and throw out the "real American"
lable would support the President, when we have just come from 8 years
of the most disrespect of a President I have ever seen or heard of.
I suspect for the most part they are both one in the same, the people that
slammed Bush are the same ones Championing respect for Obama...
(btw Tony, your STILL doing it...slamming Bush).

 

[Dino]

You say "continuing the cycle of hate does nothing".... Yet, most of these so called "proud americans" HATE on Obama and his views.

You know, if you were REALLY a proud american, you would back our president 100%, instead of question him on EVERYTHING he does or say."


Are you serious?? Dude you're comparing apples to car tires. I can't speak for others, but I don't hate Obama. I do disagree with his views and the last time I checked that doesn't make me a racist (despite what most bleeding heart liberals think). I disagree with his policy making, but I don't hate the man. I actually pray for him almost every night as well as ALL our soldiers out there fighting for us. Unlike the far left that crucified Bush for anything and everything he did. It's amazing to me that we now have all this talk about backing our prez 100%, but that didn't seem to be an issue when Bush was in office. Come on now guys, you can't have it both ways! ???

I guess you can disagree with President Obama's policies but that doesn't mean he is wrong. It simply boils down to opinion.

However you can pretty well quantify the Bush failures,

Consumers & Workers

Limited Ability To Block Dangerous Imports
FDA Enforcement Actions Way Down
USDA Challenged Over Meat Safety
Lack of Adequate Foreign Drug Oversight
Problems in Oversight of Food Safety
OSHA’s Laissez-Faire Attitude
FDA Failure To Ensure Drug Safety
Failure To Protect Consumers From Unsafe Products
Oversight Collapse Leads To Mine Safety Issues
Agricultural Quarantine Inspection Stumbles
Eroding Budget Erodes Consumer Safety
Lack of Quorum at the CPSC

Contracting & Workforce

A Failure of Whistleblower Protection
Labor Relations Authority: Low Morale, Backlogged Cases
Contractors Failing Troops in Iraq and Afghanistan
Human Capital Issues Plague Government
Surge in Outsourcing Creates Problems in Performance, Oversight
Chronic Understaffing at the EEOC

Education

No Child Left Behind: A Few Bumps in the Road
Reading First: Scandalous and Ineffective
Student Loan Scandal Costs Students

Elections

Paralysis at the Federal Election Commission
"McCain-Feingold" Fails To Solve Campaign Finance Problem
Election Assistance Commission Has Not Met Mandates

Emergency Management

Hurricanes Expose FEMA Woes
FEMA Trailers Filled With Formaldehyde
We Can’t Afford Another Flood
SBA Emergency Assistance Failed for Katrina
Flood "Protection" in New Orleans

Energy

No Robust, Sustained Alternative Energy Policy
Foreign Oil Dependence Has Grown
Refinery Bottleneck Puts Squeeze on Gasoline Supply
Move to a 21st Century Electricity Grid Is Stalled

Entitlements

Unsustainable Medicare Spending
Failure To Reform Social Security
Social Security Disability Backlogs

Environment

Climate Change: Hide the Assessment
Failure To Advance Climate Change Policy
EPA Deprives Public of Information on Toxics
Science Policy Politicized
Politicization at Department of Interior
EPA Stalls on Perchlorate Regulation
Mountaintop Coal Mining Alters Appalachia
EPA and OMB Slow Toxic Chemical Risk Studies
Scandal, Incompetence at Minerals Management Service
EPA Misleads on Air Quality After 9/11 Attacks
EPA Ignores Advisers on Particulate Matter Standards
Everglade Restoration a Man-Made Disaster
Superfund Program Loses Funding, Momentum
Toxic Mercury From Coal Plants Unregulated
Nuclear Waste Problem Unsolved
EPA Fails To Put Children First
Failure To Launch: Satellite Delays
EPA’s Free Pass for Aging Power Plant Emissions

Finance

Shaky Start for Troubled Asset Relief Program
Skyrocketing Deficit
Oversight Fails To Keep Pace With a Changed Market
Lax Oversight of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
SEC Allows Investment Banks To Go Unregulated
More Corporations Pay Less in Taxes
Audit Rates of Rich Fall, Audits of Poor Spike
Lack of Regs Fueled Accounting Scandal
U.S. Companies Hiding Revenue Offshore
Mismanagement and Cronyism at HUD

Health

Medicare Fraud Out of Control
45 Million Americans Without Health Insurance

Information Protection

Failures in Cybersecurity
Millions in Equipment Missing From Indian Health Service
An Epidemic of Missing Laptops

Justice & Security

Too Close to the Edge on Torture
CIA Renditions Draw Controversy
Politicization of Department of Justice
Failure To Protect Sensitive Technology
Arbitrary Detention at Guantanamo
Osama bin Laden Still at Large
Lack of Progress on Immigration Reform
WMD Nonproliferation Needs More Attention
National Security Agency Mismanages Info Technology
$30 Billion Virtual Border Fence Faces Problems
First Responders Still Can’t Communicate
FBI Abuses Power To Request Personal Information
Agencies Failed To Share Intelligence on 9/11 Terrorists
Pakistan Remains an Al Qaeda Haven
FBI Failure To Create a Modern Computer Network
Nuclear Sites Lack Adequate Security
Losing the Battle for Hearts and Minds
DHS Still Getting Up to Speed
Terrorist Watch List Mismanaged
Poor Retention of Counterterrorism Staff
Inability To Track Foreign Visitors to U.S.
Lack of Due Process for Terrorism Suspects
FBI Struggles To Confront Multiple Threats
NORAD, FAA Unprepared for Aerial Attack
U.S. Guns Arming Mexican Drug Cartels

Military

False Premise for Going to War
Abu Ghraib Prison Scandal
Mismanagement at National Reconnaissance Office
Poor Health Care for Veterans
Failure To Regulate Security Contractors
Pentagon Office’s Misleading Intelligence
Military Failure To Secure Iraq After Invasion
Lack of Armored Protection for Troops
Pentagon’s Slow Adaptation to a War-footing
Inadequate Planning for Post-Invasion Iraq
Failure To Secure Weapons in Iraq
Mismanagement of Major Weapons Acquisitions
Veteran Disability Claims Languish
Delay in Opening U.S. Embassy in Iraq
Air Force Failure To Maintain Nuclear Weapons Accountability
Taliban Resurgence in Afghanistan
190,000 Missing Weapons in Iraq

Other

NASA Inspector General Lack of Oversight
NASA’s Failure To Ensure Safety in Human Space Flight
Massive Backlog at Patent Office
Census 2010 Stumbles at the Starting Line
FCC Chairman Martin Under Fire

Transportation

Failing To Modernize Air Traffic Control
Human Fatigue in Transport Accidents Still Unaddressed
Close Calls on the Runway
FAA in the Dark on Maintenance
Record Delays in Air Travel
FAA Inspectors Cozy Up to Airlines
Highway Funding Woes

White House

Controversial Assertion of Executive Power
Excessive Executive Secrecy
Signing Statements Thwart Congressional Intent
Vice President’s Office Exempts Itself From Information Safeguards
Executive Office of the President "Loses" E-mails

Broken Government | Failures by Full List

 

[Justyntym]

well that's a nice list but we can take each point and make it a seperate topic
and argue both sides up and down and still come away with nothing but
difference of opinion and which would be assigned directly to Bush or just
the govt' in general.

Oh that's right...everything that happened or was not prevented in the last
8 years was Bush's fault.

Is there a similar list for Clinton or no...or is this just a liberal left website ???
Like getting info from moveon.org or Micheal Moore....
Well maybe that's not totally fair.

Bear in mind, I'm not a Bush fan (I'm highly disappointed actually) and on
my list of Great Presidents...he ain't on it.

 

[Dino]

well that's a nice list but we can take each point and make it a seperate topic
and argue both sides up and down and still come away with nothing but
difference of opinion and which would be assigned directly to Bush or just
the govt' in general.

Oh that's right...everything that happened or was not prevented in the last
8 years was Bush's fault.

Is there a similar list for Clinton or no...or is this just a liberal left website ???
Like getting info from moveon.org or Micheal Moore....
Well maybe that's not totally fair.

Bear in mind, I'm not a Bush fan (I'm highly disappointed actually) and on
my list of Great Presidents...he ain't on it.

"Oh that's right...everything that happened or was not prevented in the last
8 years was Bush's fault."

That is the trouble with leadership, isn't it? President Bush had some significant failures that have directly impacted where we are today as a nation.

As far as the website is concerned, I provided a link. I noticed that one of their "firsts" is disclosing that Clinton provided use of the Lincoln bedroom to political contributers. So on the surface they seem fair.

The point is right now, you can only disagree with President Obama, but his policies could end up being good for the country and the economy. We were headed in a troubled direction after 8 years of President Bush's failed policies. President Obama has only been in office 10 months.

 

[TonyMastodon]

People are QUICK to jump on the "hate train"... people disagree with obama and his actions before an outcome has even come about.

Oh and i can trash bush now, cause i SAW what he did to this country and this economy. (blame bush for this crappy economy)... I dont know if what obama is doing is going to help. Only time will tell.. but im sure in 2 years, i will be bashing Obama as well.

 

[Justyntym]

Wait a minute...I don't have to wait till the hobnail boot kicks in my front door
to see if we're going the wrong way. By that time it's too late.

I think we can look at his policies and make a decision prior to...
but anyway...keep ruberside down

 

[TonyMastodon]

Wait a minute...I don't have to wait till the hobnail boot kicks in my front door
to see if we're going the wrong way. By that time it's too late.

I think we can look at his policies and make a decision prior to...
but anyway...keep ruberside down

eh, give the man a chance
and yes... shinny side up

 

[J'Man]

I guess you can disagree with President Obama's policies but that doesn't mean he is wrong. It simply boils down to opinion.

However you can pretty well quantify the Bush failures,

Consumers & Workers

Limited Ability To Block Dangerous Imports
FDA Enforcement Actions Way Down
USDA Challenged Over Meat Safety
Lack of Adequate Foreign Drug Oversight
Problems in Oversight of Food Safety
OSHA’s Laissez-Faire Attitude
FDA Failure To Ensure Drug Safety
Failure To Protect Consumers From Unsafe Products
Oversight Collapse Leads To Mine Safety Issues
Agricultural Quarantine Inspection Stumbles
Eroding Budget Erodes Consumer Safety
Lack of Quorum at the CPSC

Contracting & Workforce

A Failure of Whistleblower Protection
Labor Relations Authority: Low Morale, Backlogged Cases
Contractors Failing Troops in Iraq and Afghanistan
Human Capital Issues Plague Government
Surge in Outsourcing Creates Problems in Performance, Oversight
Chronic Understaffing at the EEOC

Education

No Child Left Behind: A Few Bumps in the Road
Reading First: Scandalous and Ineffective
Student Loan Scandal Costs Students

Elections

Paralysis at the Federal Election Commission
"McCain-Feingold" Fails To Solve Campaign Finance Problem
Election Assistance Commission Has Not Met Mandates

Emergency Management

Hurricanes Expose FEMA Woes
FEMA Trailers Filled With Formaldehyde
We Can’t Afford Another Flood
SBA Emergency Assistance Failed for Katrina
Flood "Protection" in New Orleans

Energy

No Robust, Sustained Alternative Energy Policy
Foreign Oil Dependence Has Grown
Refinery Bottleneck Puts Squeeze on Gasoline Supply
Move to a 21st Century Electricity Grid Is Stalled

Entitlements

Unsustainable Medicare Spending
Failure To Reform Social Security
Social Security Disability Backlogs

Environment

Climate Change: Hide the Assessment
Failure To Advance Climate Change Policy
EPA Deprives Public of Information on Toxics
Science Policy Politicized
Politicization at Department of Interior
EPA Stalls on Perchlorate Regulation
Mountaintop Coal Mining Alters Appalachia
EPA and OMB Slow Toxic Chemical Risk Studies
Scandal, Incompetence at Minerals Management Service
EPA Misleads on Air Quality After 9/11 Attacks
EPA Ignores Advisers on Particulate Matter Standards
Everglade Restoration a Man-Made Disaster
Superfund Program Loses Funding, Momentum
Toxic Mercury From Coal Plants Unregulated
Nuclear Waste Problem Unsolved
EPA Fails To Put Children First
Failure To Launch: Satellite Delays
EPA’s Free Pass for Aging Power Plant Emissions

Finance

Shaky Start for Troubled Asset Relief Program
Skyrocketing Deficit
Oversight Fails To Keep Pace With a Changed Market
Lax Oversight of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
SEC Allows Investment Banks To Go Unregulated
More Corporations Pay Less in Taxes
Audit Rates of Rich Fall, Audits of Poor Spike
Lack of Regs Fueled Accounting Scandal
U.S. Companies Hiding Revenue Offshore
Mismanagement and Cronyism at HUD

Health

Medicare Fraud Out of Control
45 Million Americans Without Health Insurance

Information Protection

Failures in Cybersecurity
Millions in Equipment Missing From Indian Health Service
An Epidemic of Missing Laptops

Justice & Security

Too Close to the Edge on Torture
CIA Renditions Draw Controversy
Politicization of Department of Justice
Failure To Protect Sensitive Technology
Arbitrary Detention at Guantanamo
Osama bin Laden Still at Large
Lack of Progress on Immigration Reform
WMD Nonproliferation Needs More Attention
National Security Agency Mismanages Info Technology
$30 Billion Virtual Border Fence Faces Problems
First Responders Still Can’t Communicate
FBI Abuses Power To Request Personal Information
Agencies Failed To Share Intelligence on 9/11 Terrorists
Pakistan Remains an Al Qaeda Haven
FBI Failure To Create a Modern Computer Network
Nuclear Sites Lack Adequate Security
Losing the Battle for Hearts and Minds
DHS Still Getting Up to Speed
Terrorist Watch List Mismanaged
Poor Retention of Counterterrorism Staff
Inability To Track Foreign Visitors to U.S.
Lack of Due Process for Terrorism Suspects
FBI Struggles To Confront Multiple Threats
NORAD, FAA Unprepared for Aerial Attack
U.S. Guns Arming Mexican Drug Cartels

Military

False Premise for Going to War
Abu Ghraib Prison Scandal
Mismanagement at National Reconnaissance Office
Poor Health Care for Veterans
Failure To Regulate Security Contractors
Pentagon Office’s Misleading Intelligence
Military Failure To Secure Iraq After Invasion
Lack of Armored Protection for Troops
Pentagon’s Slow Adaptation to a War-footing
Inadequate Planning for Post-Invasion Iraq
Failure To Secure Weapons in Iraq
Mismanagement of Major Weapons Acquisitions
Veteran Disability Claims Languish
Delay in Opening U.S. Embassy in Iraq
Air Force Failure To Maintain Nuclear Weapons Accountability
Taliban Resurgence in Afghanistan
190,000 Missing Weapons in Iraq

Other

NASA Inspector General Lack of Oversight
NASA’s Failure To Ensure Safety in Human Space Flight
Massive Backlog at Patent Office
Census 2010 Stumbles at the Starting Line
FCC Chairman Martin Under Fire

Transportation

Failing To Modernize Air Traffic Control
Human Fatigue in Transport Accidents Still Unaddressed
Close Calls on the Runway
FAA in the Dark on Maintenance
Record Delays in Air Travel
FAA Inspectors Cozy Up to Airlines
Highway Funding Woes

White House

Controversial Assertion of Executive Power
Excessive Executive Secrecy
Signing Statements Thwart Congressional Intent
Vice President’s Office Exempts Itself From Information Safeguards
Executive Office of the President "Loses" E-mails

Broken Government | Failures by Full List

Dang Dino I think you may have missed a couple of items when he was a child. I can tell you really like to research stuff. Will you help a brother research a new car? If I can utilize your magnificent google skills I should be able to get the best deal in America.

 

[Dino]

Dang Dino I think you may have missed a couple of items when he was a child. I can tell you really like to research stuff. Will you help a brother research a new car? If I can utilize your magnificent google skills I should be able to get the best deal in America.

na, I am only good with the easy stuff.

 

[J'Man]

na, I am only good with the easy stuff.

 

[Haya01B]

Wait a minute! I thought we were talking about the Ten states on the verge of bankruptcy.

My question is what do you think caused this bankruptcy issue with this states on that list and how far behind are the other states?

 

[dadofthree]

Absolute errosion of the tax base ( all jobs went out of country ), 400% increase in fuel cost, increased numbers on welfare / all entitlements. Just my opinion, Dino probably has a better and longer answer

 

[Dino]

Absolute errosion of the tax base ( all jobs went out of country ), 400% increase in fuel cost, increased numbers on welfare / all entitlements. Just my opinion, Dino probably has a better and longer answer

what you listed looks ok to me. I might add loss of jobs. Unfortunately all those things are dependent one another and it becomes a cycle..

 

[Justyntym]

Wait a minute! I thought we were talking about the Ten states on the verge of bankruptcy.

My question is what do you think caused this bankruptcy issue with this states on that list and how far behind are the other states?

Here's your answer...

1. California
2. Michigan
3. Rhode Island
4. New Jersey
5. Florida split
6. Illinois
7. Wisconsin
8. Arizona
9. Nevada
10. Oregon

Must be working for the blue states...

Senate Dem 60 GOP 40 House Dem 258 GOP 177

I don't know a lot about all the states but I know Kalifornia (mini-France) is
huge on Social programs. You can't give away free money (remember NOTHING is free,
everything cost SOMEONE SOMETHING) and buy everything for everybody...
of course they're bankrupt. People need to take responsibility for themselves.

It don't work for France, it doesn't work for Kalifornia...and it's not gonna work for the U.S.
I don't need to wait till were completely owned by China to figure out Obama's give away
ISN'T GOING TO WORK.

 

[Justyntym]

Ahhh...here's some good news...

Millions will have to repay part of tax credit
November 16, 2009 7:18 PM EST
WASHINGTON - More than 15 million taxpayers may owe the government $250 or more because of how the IRS last spring set up President Barack Obama's tax break that was designed to help consumers spend the U.S. economy out of recession.

Individuals with more than one job and married couples in which both spouses work may have to repay the government $400, either through a smaller tax refund or a larger tax bill, according to a report released Monday by the Treasury Department's inspector general for tax administration. Social Security recipients who also earn taxable wages may have to repay $250.

The tax credit, which is supposed to pay individuals up to $400 and couples up to $800, was Obama's signature tax break in the massive stimulus package enacted in February. The credit has increased weekly paychecks for 95 percent of working families, giving them cash to help boost consumer spending during the worst economic recession in decades.

 

[Haya01B]

$250 is not big as the problem in a whole. It was probably money that was over paid or something. I don't think $250 in my book could top $180,000 home that was sold to me that wont even sell for $50,000 right now. Who do I kick in the azz for that? Just tell them to get in line behind Sears and Discover!

As for the comment above about one thing having to do with another is very true. When you see a company lay off people it is a domino effect. They have to cut back on spending and that has bearing on the business they use to frequent and now they have to layoff and the cycle goes on and on. So the problem is not to hard to trace. It starts with the loss of finances thru loss of jobs that causes the domino effect.

 

[J'Man]

$250 is not big as the problem in a whole. It was probably money that was over paid or something. I don't think $250 in my book could top $180,000 home that was sold to me that wont even sell for $50,000 right now. Who do I kick in the azz for that? Just tell them to get in line behind Sears and Discover!

See earlier comment in this thread for person to kick for that. I'll give you a hint, his wife works in the current administration.