2007 Hayabusa (I think this is the real deal)
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HayaVegas- Sorry for misinterpreting your statement... but as a former 12R owner you know how easily I could have taken that the wrong way. I'm sure you ran into the same bunch o' tards that had that classic "Busa is God" ego.
I do agree with a lot of what you said though... the ZX12R doesn't have the fit and finish of the Busa... nor the simplicity in design that allows for easy modification. The A series ZX12R's were the worst as far as fit and finish were concerned.. but then again, you tend to forget about it once you hit 9k and you're holding on for dear life wondering when it's going to stop pulling... only to realize you're about to hit the limiter! Scary how decieving the powerband is on these things.... it's hard to "feel" when to shift because it doesn't drop off in power at all... just dances at peak power from 10k - rev limiter at 11.7k.
The fact that it's all so compact under the fairings makes it a pain in the arse to fit a turbo... and getting the frame/airbox to pressurize without leaks requires lots of welding and testing. If kawasaki attempted to build the most difficult and expensive bike to turbo.... they succeeded with the ZX12R.
But I like to take the good with the bad.... the frame does make the bike more narrow and stiffer/stronger than a traditional wishbone frame. I've gone down a few times with my 12r on the street and track and not one single frame stress or fracture.
It is amazing how strong the motor is though.... with just a pipe/filter/pc/remap these 12's are making 175-180+rwhp sae on DJ250's.... and the peak power holds right to the limiter without dropping off!! We all know what it takes to get a Busa to churn out that sort of power up top....
So tell me, what's the one thing you miss most about the ZX12R?
I do agree with a lot of what you said though... the ZX12R doesn't have the fit and finish of the Busa... nor the simplicity in design that allows for easy modification. The A series ZX12R's were the worst as far as fit and finish were concerned.. but then again, you tend to forget about it once you hit 9k and you're holding on for dear life wondering when it's going to stop pulling... only to realize you're about to hit the limiter! Scary how decieving the powerband is on these things.... it's hard to "feel" when to shift because it doesn't drop off in power at all... just dances at peak power from 10k - rev limiter at 11.7k.
The fact that it's all so compact under the fairings makes it a pain in the arse to fit a turbo... and getting the frame/airbox to pressurize without leaks requires lots of welding and testing. If kawasaki attempted to build the most difficult and expensive bike to turbo.... they succeeded with the ZX12R.
But I like to take the good with the bad.... the frame does make the bike more narrow and stiffer/stronger than a traditional wishbone frame. I've gone down a few times with my 12r on the street and track and not one single frame stress or fracture.
It is amazing how strong the motor is though.... with just a pipe/filter/pc/remap these 12's are making 175-180+rwhp sae on DJ250's.... and the peak power holds right to the limiter without dropping off!! We all know what it takes to get a Busa to churn out that sort of power up top....
So tell me, what's the one thing you miss most about the ZX12R?
1300hemibusa
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You obviously have a brain, you don't need to resort to calling me a clown to get your point across like 1300hemibusa.
Your words butt lick not mine .....Read before you post PH12.
Your words butt lick not mine .....Read before you post PH12.
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here's my take on it. first off, he is a buttlickassclown. all one word LOL
secondly, the ZX12's here in hawaii DO NOT HOLD UP. They tear up clutches and associated clutch parts, constantly beat up tranny's, spin bearings, and break con rods through blocks. NO busa here in hawaii has ever done that.
We have a couple busa's that run in the high 8's. (remember our track has no traction and et's are always lower in hawaii due to the humidity.) Some are nos, some are turbo, one is a stroker. these guys show up all the time. of the zx12's that were capable of these numbers, all three were constantly dealing with broken parts, It even got so bad that three zx's were cobbled together to get one race bike going and it shredded second gear coming out past the 60. total pieces of garbage.
THe busa is built better. it's tougher, damn near bulletproof. I wouldn't be riding anything else at this moment in time.
secondly, the ZX12's here in hawaii DO NOT HOLD UP. They tear up clutches and associated clutch parts, constantly beat up tranny's, spin bearings, and break con rods through blocks. NO busa here in hawaii has ever done that.
We have a couple busa's that run in the high 8's. (remember our track has no traction and et's are always lower in hawaii due to the humidity.) Some are nos, some are turbo, one is a stroker. these guys show up all the time. of the zx12's that were capable of these numbers, all three were constantly dealing with broken parts, It even got so bad that three zx's were cobbled together to get one race bike going and it shredded second gear coming out past the 60. total pieces of garbage.
THe busa is built better. it's tougher, damn near bulletproof. I wouldn't be riding anything else at this moment in time.
LMFAO!!! Hey, everyone check out the thread over at LABUSAS.org
CLICK HERE!
This Creekbusa guy is now claiming that THIS Blinged out Busa runs 7.88 in the 1/4.... no turbo.
Also claiming that he use to race pro for the Vance and Hines team....
Yet nobody has ever heard of him... he refuses to give his name.... and he has NO pictures of a time slip or GPS to prove anything.
The bullshit doesn't get any thicker than this gentlemen....
CLICK HERE!
This Creekbusa guy is now claiming that THIS Blinged out Busa runs 7.88 in the 1/4.... no turbo.
Also claiming that he use to race pro for the Vance and Hines team....
Yet nobody has ever heard of him... he refuses to give his name.... and he has NO pictures of a time slip or GPS to prove anything.
The bullshit doesn't get any thicker than this gentlemen....
1300hemibusa- Again, you completely missed the boat on that one. I didn't say you called me a clown, I simply made referance to you spewing insults to get your point across. Does everything need to be spoon fed to you in order for you to understand what's being said?
COS- Right now the fastest ever was Barry Henson on a 500rwhp Turbo Hayabusa. 232mph on GPS in the 9/10ths. The only thing that will touch that is another Turbo bike built to the same high spec. Of which.. no ZX12R's in the area exist. As of right now the most powerful ZX12R in our area is making 300rwhp on the dyno... but can only use 250rwhp in the 9/10th's... we're expecting it to run 210mph once it's all tuned and ready.
Good question though!!
8overin808- Must be a problem with those certain bikes.... There's a guy here in Florida that ran 9.1 on a bone stock motor ZX12R.... no wheelie bar. Another guy that goes to my local track that ran 9.30's with the stock exhaust and a bar.
If the 3 12's in your area are falling apart at the track... don't blame the bike, blame the builder and/or the parts used (or not used). Yes, the stock 12R clutch is a weakpoint on the bike... but anyone running in the low 9's high 8's should be using a fully built Muzzy lock-up clutch. The same ones used on R.G's 500+rwhp Turbo 12R back in 03 when he won the SBS championship.
COS- Right now the fastest ever was Barry Henson on a 500rwhp Turbo Hayabusa. 232mph on GPS in the 9/10ths. The only thing that will touch that is another Turbo bike built to the same high spec. Of which.. no ZX12R's in the area exist. As of right now the most powerful ZX12R in our area is making 300rwhp on the dyno... but can only use 250rwhp in the 9/10th's... we're expecting it to run 210mph once it's all tuned and ready.
Good question though!!
8overin808- Must be a problem with those certain bikes.... There's a guy here in Florida that ran 9.1 on a bone stock motor ZX12R.... no wheelie bar. Another guy that goes to my local track that ran 9.30's with the stock exhaust and a bar.
If the 3 12's in your area are falling apart at the track... don't blame the bike, blame the builder and/or the parts used (or not used). Yes, the stock 12R clutch is a weakpoint on the bike... but anyone running in the low 9's high 8's should be using a fully built Muzzy lock-up clutch. The same ones used on R.G's 500+rwhp Turbo 12R back in 03 when he won the SBS championship.
guys guys guys.... Phantom12 spent a lot of time at sh.org ranting relentlessly and stiring up trouble.
I say we vote him of the island NOW before we are wading in it. This IS a Hayabusa board, NOT a 12r board. His rambling serves no purpose here. Do we all crash the zx-12r.org board and try to tell them busa's are the king? no, we're more grown up than that.
He's old news already
I say we vote him of the island NOW before we are wading in it. This IS a Hayabusa board, NOT a 12r board. His rambling serves no purpose here. Do we all crash the zx-12r.org board and try to tell them busa's are the king? no, we're more grown up than that.
He's old news already
1) The Dino rear seat hinge.
2) Being the underdog.
3) The "literbike feel" while moving. The zx12r never felt like it was under me, and it outhandled the busa by a longshot.
However, my busa fits me better and it handles the long sweepers better than the zx12r, because it is so smooth and stable. I enjoy the busa more often than I did the 12, - but I recognize that the 12 was more of a sportbike when it comes to sharper corners.
4) If anything "powerwise" I would miss about the 12: in all honesty would be the "way" it dishes out the power at the top of the rpms. The rush of power on the 12 was more violent and the bike moved faster than the busa when getting up at the redline. No question.
The 12 brought the traffic closer faster than the busa seems to up around 10k rpms. The busa is more linear in its power delivery, and the 12 is more explosive.
Yet, the busa never feels like it is going as fast as it is. The 12 felt like it was going faster than it was. I figure that is due to the lack of steering damper on the 12, and the better wheelbase on the busa - as well as lower riding position.
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i was waiting to see if anyone but me was gonna see that
that comment in its own told me its all b.s.
? Phantom, I think you're better off posting porn on Labusas rather than spewing talk about what you think is true. I think you're better off over there.
Then again, you really don't have that strong of a backing on LAB either, do you? Are you trying to find your niche in an internet life? C'mon...spill the beens.
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Then again, you really don't have that strong of a backing on LAB either, do you? Are you trying to find your niche in an internet life? C'mon...spill the beens.
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