2007 Hayabusa (I think this is the real deal)
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I raced Phantom12 this weekend on my02 black LE Busa I just bought it a coulpe of weeks ago it still has (STOCK EXHAUST) and lowered 1.25 " front and rear.
Phantom has 178 H.P. and lowered,I am guessing mine has around 155 H.P.
There was an easy 15 + mph headwind
now after all the talk on how fast his zx12 was I decieded to bring him to school, I told him if he cant beat a stock busa with only 155 H.P. he is not going to look very good in front of the crowd and his boy,so off to the starting line, when we got there he he was a bit nervous and jumped me BIG TIME and caught himself and turned around for a restart, well out of the hole I was gone and pulled a lead to 3.5-4 bike lenghts for a win.
With the 15+mph head wind my runs were 179.5 181.3-182.1mph then i also took down 2 piped busas , next time without the headwind I am throwing a TRE on and am expecting 186- 187MPH with my stocker.
Phantom had a good run with the other busa hes been trying to beat for weeks the busa out tourqes him through the gears by 3 bikes and then they lock up top, the busa does not pull anymore and the zx12 cannot real him in.
Sorry Phantom I had to post this for the busa boy's.
Next time dont forget to tell everyone you got beat by a stock busa Laughing [/b]
Phantom has 178 H.P. and lowered,I am guessing mine has around 155 H.P.
There was an easy 15 + mph headwind
now after all the talk on how fast his zx12 was I decieded to bring him to school, I told him if he cant beat a stock busa with only 155 H.P. he is not going to look very good in front of the crowd and his boy,so off to the starting line, when we got there he he was a bit nervous and jumped me BIG TIME and caught himself and turned around for a restart, well out of the hole I was gone and pulled a lead to 3.5-4 bike lenghts for a win.
With the 15+mph head wind my runs were 179.5 181.3-182.1mph then i also took down 2 piped busas , next time without the headwind I am throwing a TRE on and am expecting 186- 187MPH with my stocker.
Phantom had a good run with the other busa hes been trying to beat for weeks the busa out tourqes him through the gears by 3 bikes and then they lock up top, the busa does not pull anymore and the zx12 cannot real him in.
Sorry Phantom I had to post this for the busa boy's.
Next time dont forget to tell everyone you got beat by a stock busa Laughing [/b]
:Oh how glorious...you post that up yet fail to post the entire story....
That "stock" busa isn't stock.... it's lowered, mirrors removed, double bubble, pc3usb, extensive tuning, lightweight chain, etc...
On top of that... the rider was roughly 55 pounds lighter than me and about 6 inches shorter. Much smaller lighter guy will make up for horsepower.
It's generally accepted that it takes roughly 5-6rwhp to overcome an extra 20 pounds of weight in terms of acceleration. That being said... I'd need roughly 15-18rwhp just to MATCH his power-to-weight ratio on his "stock" busa. That being said.... his busa is making roughly 160rwhp.. not 155. We talk on the phone ALL THE TIME and we are racing buddies.
Now here's the clincher!!! This guy is the best tuner and 9/10th's rider in the state of florida!
He's been racing the 9/10th's since 1995 and has logged a legitamite 5,000+ passes on every type of bike you can think of!!!!!
That's nearly 10 years of 9/10th's experience to my 6-8 months worth..... with equal power to weight ratio and him having a smaller body.
It's no wonder he beat me! Doesn't take a genius to figure it out. The simple fact that I was able to match his MPH through the traps on a inferiorly tuned bike with a novice rider, says A LOT ABOUT MY BIKE!
Oh and for your information.... Nobody has beaten that "stock" busa with him on it. I've personally seen 175rwhp Busa's with EXPERIENCED drag racers get murdered by 10 bike lengths by that "stock" busa. I've seen a slammed, stretched, rull drag prepped 170rwhp ZX-10R get mopped up by 12+ bike lengths by that stock Busa. I saw a 150 pound rider on a 196rwhp ZX1270R BARELY beat that stock busa by 3 bike lengths. I've seen fully tuned 170rwhp K5 GSXR1000's get beat by him..... and the list goes on and on...
This is NOT your run of the mill busa, it's a sleeper in every sense of the word. Did I mention this guy is planning on breaking the PRODUCTION bike record at Maxton this year with this very same bike?
So PULLLLLEEEESSSEE let's keep this in CONTEXT.
That "stock" busa isn't stock.... it's lowered, mirrors removed, double bubble, pc3usb, extensive tuning, lightweight chain, etc...
On top of that... the rider was roughly 55 pounds lighter than me and about 6 inches shorter. Much smaller lighter guy will make up for horsepower.
It's generally accepted that it takes roughly 5-6rwhp to overcome an extra 20 pounds of weight in terms of acceleration. That being said... I'd need roughly 15-18rwhp just to MATCH his power-to-weight ratio on his "stock" busa. That being said.... his busa is making roughly 160rwhp.. not 155. We talk on the phone ALL THE TIME and we are racing buddies.
Now here's the clincher!!! This guy is the best tuner and 9/10th's rider in the state of florida!
He's been racing the 9/10th's since 1995 and has logged a legitamite 5,000+ passes on every type of bike you can think of!!!!!
That's nearly 10 years of 9/10th's experience to my 6-8 months worth..... with equal power to weight ratio and him having a smaller body.
It's no wonder he beat me! Doesn't take a genius to figure it out. The simple fact that I was able to match his MPH through the traps on a inferiorly tuned bike with a novice rider, says A LOT ABOUT MY BIKE!
Oh and for your information.... Nobody has beaten that "stock" busa with him on it. I've personally seen 175rwhp Busa's with EXPERIENCED drag racers get murdered by 10 bike lengths by that "stock" busa. I've seen a slammed, stretched, rull drag prepped 170rwhp ZX-10R get mopped up by 12+ bike lengths by that stock Busa. I saw a 150 pound rider on a 196rwhp ZX1270R BARELY beat that stock busa by 3 bike lengths. I've seen fully tuned 170rwhp K5 GSXR1000's get beat by him..... and the list goes on and on...
This is NOT your run of the mill busa, it's a sleeper in every sense of the word. Did I mention this guy is planning on breaking the PRODUCTION bike record at Maxton this year with this very same bike?
So PULLLLLEEEESSSEE let's keep this in CONTEXT.
not too in-depth...it'll take us away from the main point...
I'll start it off, though...
Full systems net more HP for a 12 than it does for a Busa. How does that affect speed?
Your views?
Valium- Creek is a phony. He's claiming he ran 7.88 on his bling bling busa in the 1/4... and that he raced pro for years with Vance and Hines.... and he made 218rwhp N/A....blah blah blah blah...
Yet the guy has no pictures of a 7 second slip... or a top speed GPS run.... or him at the track... or him with Vance and Hines..... he won't even tell us his name so we can research his bullcrap.
The guy is a joke. If he ran 7.88.. we'd all know who he was... he's have one of the top 5 quickest streetbikes in the world. The World streetbike record set by Barry Henson was 7.25... with the competition averaging between 7.35-8.00.
To run in the 7's... you need roughly 500rwhp and a fully rebuilt machine. I hung out with Barry Henson at hooters one night (yes, he was riding the record holding busa on the street!!) and he said that if you were to build a bike of that caliber.. it would run you roughly $100,000!!! Not $18,000 that Creek claims he has into his bike.
So of course I won't run him.... he probably wouldn't even show up if I did agree to a race.
Notice how he got a quiet around here and LABUSAS lately? The guy slipped up on his own BS. What a fool.
Yet the guy has no pictures of a 7 second slip... or a top speed GPS run.... or him at the track... or him with Vance and Hines..... he won't even tell us his name so we can research his bullcrap.
The guy is a joke. If he ran 7.88.. we'd all know who he was... he's have one of the top 5 quickest streetbikes in the world. The World streetbike record set by Barry Henson was 7.25... with the competition averaging between 7.35-8.00.
To run in the 7's... you need roughly 500rwhp and a fully rebuilt machine. I hung out with Barry Henson at hooters one night (yes, he was riding the record holding busa on the street!!) and he said that if you were to build a bike of that caliber.. it would run you roughly $100,000!!! Not $18,000 that Creek claims he has into his bike.
So of course I won't run him.... he probably wouldn't even show up if I did agree to a race.
Notice how he got a quiet around here and LABUSAS lately? The guy slipped up on his own BS. What a fool.
PacificBusa- Yes, the 12R does gain roughly 17-22rwhp from a quality pipe and remap while the Busa gains roughly 12-15rwhp with the same mods. But it's all relative to the state of tune for both bikes...
The ZX12R has a super restrictive stock exhaust with a sufficating catalytic converter in the midpipe. The Hayabusa has no catalytic converter as you all know... and has two pipes for less restriction while still being able to pass emissions.
That being said, it's obvious why the 12R makes more power with a pipe and remap...
But again, you got to look at the engine. The ZX12R is in a MUCH higher state of tune from the factory. 12.2:1 compression, high lift cams, short stroke/huge piston diameter giving the motor extra RPM's, huge valves, etc...
Kawasaki did this to make up for lack of displacement...so when you allow the bike to breath properly.... it maximizes the already highly tuned motor.
The Suzuki Hayabusa takes a different approach... using displacement and giant stroke to produce a massively thick powerband with gobs of power everywhere. Only downside is that it has small cams and small(er) bore, making it short on RPM's and top end power. The price you pay I guess.... got to borrow from peter to pay paul.
A good thing though is that the Busa motor has a low compression ratio at 11.0:1.. making it take to Nitrous and Turbo very nicely... and allows lots of latent N/A power to be unleashed by skimming the head and bumping it up to 12.5:1.
But even more important than the power being made with the pipes on both bikes.. I feel the WAY it makes power is what makes the bike what it is.
With the Busa it helps carry peak power further in the high range before it drops off. But interestingly with the ZX is that it actually HOLDS the peak power for almost 2,000rpm's all the way to the rev limiter!! Just dances at peak power and never drops off... allowing you to use EVERY BIT of rpm.
If I was only planning on doing light mods... I'd choose a 12R. If I was planning to go nuts in the motor or go Turbo... I'd go Busa.
I can't afford to drop $10,000 into a turbo kit... so I'll still with my piped 12R and 40 shot making 215rwhp 25,000mi after purchase.
But enough about this... I'm begining to rant.
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The ZX12R has a super restrictive stock exhaust with a sufficating catalytic converter in the midpipe. The Hayabusa has no catalytic converter as you all know... and has two pipes for less restriction while still being able to pass emissions.
That being said, it's obvious why the 12R makes more power with a pipe and remap...
But again, you got to look at the engine. The ZX12R is in a MUCH higher state of tune from the factory. 12.2:1 compression, high lift cams, short stroke/huge piston diameter giving the motor extra RPM's, huge valves, etc...
Kawasaki did this to make up for lack of displacement...so when you allow the bike to breath properly.... it maximizes the already highly tuned motor.
The Suzuki Hayabusa takes a different approach... using displacement and giant stroke to produce a massively thick powerband with gobs of power everywhere. Only downside is that it has small cams and small(er) bore, making it short on RPM's and top end power. The price you pay I guess.... got to borrow from peter to pay paul.
A good thing though is that the Busa motor has a low compression ratio at 11.0:1.. making it take to Nitrous and Turbo very nicely... and allows lots of latent N/A power to be unleashed by skimming the head and bumping it up to 12.5:1.
But even more important than the power being made with the pipes on both bikes.. I feel the WAY it makes power is what makes the bike what it is.
With the Busa it helps carry peak power further in the high range before it drops off. But interestingly with the ZX is that it actually HOLDS the peak power for almost 2,000rpm's all the way to the rev limiter!! Just dances at peak power and never drops off... allowing you to use EVERY BIT of rpm.
If I was only planning on doing light mods... I'd choose a 12R. If I was planning to go nuts in the motor or go Turbo... I'd go Busa.
I can't afford to drop $10,000 into a turbo kit... so I'll still with my piped 12R and 40 shot making 215rwhp 25,000mi after purchase.
But enough about this... I'm begining to rant.
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Cache- he did ride it on the street... I sat and watched him ride right out of the Hooters parking lot on 2 wheels. He actually had trouble starting the bike up cold... I remember being worried that it was going to blow up!
Anyone who knows Barry will tell you... he rode his bike.
Anyone who knows Barry will tell you... he rode his bike.
Hmmm...yes.
Good points. Now how about CdA and how it plays a role in top speed?
Good points. Now how about CdA and how it plays a role in top speed?
It no doubt plays a giant role in top speed. It's the reason why the Hayabusa can lock up with the 12R at high speeds with less power and an inefficient ram air system.
The Busa does infact have a better aero shape... it did however sacrifice styling to do so. Some have grown to admire the Hayabusa's looks... but most will tell you it's not the prettiest girl on the block.
Function before Form I guess... Kawasaki decided to make a comprimise and use their aerospace expertise to equate the balance between modern NINJA styling and aerodynamics. KHI (kawasaki heavy industries) is the only jap bike maker with an aerospace division....
They made up for lesser aerodynamic bodywork with little tricks here and there like the guide fins on the lower fairings, the fins on the forks, a hump on rear of the front fender, narrower body, etc... all helped make up for keeping the traditional sportbike look.
Stock vs Stock... the Busa is far more aerodynamic... being lower and having a smaller thinner windscreen allows for (small riders only) less frontal area. The small closely placed mirrors and small exhaust canisters that hide in the shadow of the rider helps too!
But ultimately, it's the shape of the front cowl and rear hump that make the busa that tiny bit more aerodynamic than the ZX12R even when all variables are the same (same height, aftermarket pipe, removed mirrors, equal height windscreen).
It's a funny thing when you compare these two bikes...
The Busa's low and mid range power will pull a couple bikes ahead of the 12R in 1st gear.... 2nd gear the 12R will catch it's breath.... 3rd-5th gear the ZX will make up ground and inch ahead. 6th gear the Hayabusa's aero's will help it lock up if not even up, given enough time.
The Busa does infact have a better aero shape... it did however sacrifice styling to do so. Some have grown to admire the Hayabusa's looks... but most will tell you it's not the prettiest girl on the block.
Function before Form I guess... Kawasaki decided to make a comprimise and use their aerospace expertise to equate the balance between modern NINJA styling and aerodynamics. KHI (kawasaki heavy industries) is the only jap bike maker with an aerospace division....
They made up for lesser aerodynamic bodywork with little tricks here and there like the guide fins on the lower fairings, the fins on the forks, a hump on rear of the front fender, narrower body, etc... all helped make up for keeping the traditional sportbike look.
Stock vs Stock... the Busa is far more aerodynamic... being lower and having a smaller thinner windscreen allows for (small riders only) less frontal area. The small closely placed mirrors and small exhaust canisters that hide in the shadow of the rider helps too!
But ultimately, it's the shape of the front cowl and rear hump that make the busa that tiny bit more aerodynamic than the ZX12R even when all variables are the same (same height, aftermarket pipe, removed mirrors, equal height windscreen).
It's a funny thing when you compare these two bikes...
The Busa's low and mid range power will pull a couple bikes ahead of the 12R in 1st gear.... 2nd gear the 12R will catch it's breath.... 3rd-5th gear the ZX will make up ground and inch ahead. 6th gear the Hayabusa's aero's will help it lock up if not even up, given enough time.
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sorry to piss in your cheerio's phantom. but I'm not a busa want to owner. I'm quite happy with my 12 and compare the two bikes, like comparing helments. You have shoei and arai both great, you just get which one fits better!
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