and for the record, it's YOU that needs to do more homework.
I can get you started, if you like.
Aerodynamics
I can get you started, if you like.
Aerodynamics
2007 Hayabusa (I think this is the real deal)
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Cache- I'm not a 1/4 mile guy persay... more of a 9/10th's guy. I've been to the strip a few times, ran 10.18@140.7 with just a pipe and pc3r... not too shabby for a guy with little 1/4 mile experience who's 250lb's suited.
I know I'd never be able to hit 9.30's ... not with my weight and the stock arm at least. Got a 40 shot on the bike.. but can't seem to keep the front end down at the strip in 2nd and 3rd gear.
I will however run close to 200mph on GPS in the 9/10th's with the juice. 186-188mph with the bone stock motor.
I would love to get more into the 1/4 mile scene and break into the 9's on motor. I'm only 0.19 seconds away right now... I guess more practice would shave that off. Or maybe a diet? LOL
BentValve/05BUSABLU/zxmurphy- You all are stereotypical busa owners (or busa wanna-be owner like zxmurphy).. getting all bent out of shape when someone doesn't agree with you or stroke your bike's ego. Grow up children... learn to participate in discussions where not everyone needs to share your opinion. Learn how to keep an open mind instead of an open mouth.
Allow your views to be challenged... if you are so adamant on your beliefs, you shouldn't feel I'm such a threat.
It sounds to me that you want to kick me out because you don't like what you're hearing.... facts and reason. Two things you guys are obviously unfamiliar with.
If I sit here and curse you guys out... post up porn (which I never do)... or blurt out ignorant childish remarks like, "Busa's suck and 12's rule"..... THEN BY ALL MEANS GIVE ME THE BOOT!!
But don't go trying to play Survior just because you don't want me popping your "Busa is God" bubble. The WISE people here know the deal and acknowledge both as equal machines, each with their sets of pro's and con's. It's only the ignorant biggots like yourselves that form a lynch mob and bust out with pitchforks when someone serves you a slice of reality.
Pacific Busa- Oh I just knew someone would bring up that test.. and I'm glad you did. Allow me to dispell yet another "myth".
Yes, in 100% bone stock trim the Hayabusa does have a lower drag coefficient... but that's not the whole story, you got to read between the lines to see why it's slightly more slippery than the ZX12R.
1. The ZX12R is over an inch taller... resulting in more frontal area.
2. The windscreen is not only taller but wider for better wind protection. Only the smallest of midgets can tuck well behind the stock Busa windscreen. Hence the reason most Busa guys go with a double bubble.... thus creating a larger frontal area like that of the stock 12R's windscreen. If you notice.. the rider on in the test is a freaking dwarf... how many of us are 5'6" 140 pounds?
3. The Busa mirrors are smaller and closer to the bodywork of the bike, resulting in very little drag. The stock ZX12R mirrors are huge and far from the body, out in the area of high pressure... creating a lot of drag. Sportrider mag did a test in 2001 and removing the mirrors on the ZX12R netted a 2+mph GAIN!!! The same treatment to the Busa yeilded nearly nothing! Again, anyone who intends on racing high speed... removes their mirrors anyway...
4. Notice the giant LAW tube mounted on the side of the ZX12R? Yeah, the thing looks like it could launch a SAM out of it! It also protrudes outward in the slipstream.. the Busa's smaller lower dual canisters allow for it to hide behind the legs of the rider.. creating less drag. But what happens when you put an aftermarket pipe on both bikes? Oh.. that's right... there is no extra drag on the canister of the 12r. I'm sure Kawasaki could have gone the dual exhaust route like the ZX11 and Hayabusa... but they decided to keep it a SPORTBIKE and not a ST bike. Again, more practical as well.. you're 50% less likely to ruin the can in a lowside, and it's easier/cheaper to modify with 1 slip-on instead of needing 2.
Now let's say the ZX12R was lowered an inch or so to the STOCK busa's height.... an ADEQUATE windcreen was given to the Busa so that normal people can get a decent tuck... aftermarket canisters were mounted on both bikes...and the mirrors were removed on both bikes. You'd see a VERY close drag coefficent from both bikes.
Unlike suzuki, kawasaki designed their bike with practicality in mind. Large mirrors that stick out far enough so that you're not staring at your shoulders... tall and wide windscreen so you don't need to be an oompaloompa to get a decent tuck at high speeds... and sporty ergo's that make it taller. You know... the ZX12R was designed with the intention of doing more than going straight.... unlike the single purpose oriented design of the Busa.
So yeah.... there's a little "education" right back at you.
Class dismissed.
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I know I'd never be able to hit 9.30's ... not with my weight and the stock arm at least. Got a 40 shot on the bike.. but can't seem to keep the front end down at the strip in 2nd and 3rd gear.
I will however run close to 200mph on GPS in the 9/10th's with the juice. 186-188mph with the bone stock motor.
I would love to get more into the 1/4 mile scene and break into the 9's on motor. I'm only 0.19 seconds away right now... I guess more practice would shave that off. Or maybe a diet? LOL
BentValve/05BUSABLU/zxmurphy- You all are stereotypical busa owners (or busa wanna-be owner like zxmurphy).. getting all bent out of shape when someone doesn't agree with you or stroke your bike's ego. Grow up children... learn to participate in discussions where not everyone needs to share your opinion. Learn how to keep an open mind instead of an open mouth.
Allow your views to be challenged... if you are so adamant on your beliefs, you shouldn't feel I'm such a threat.
It sounds to me that you want to kick me out because you don't like what you're hearing.... facts and reason. Two things you guys are obviously unfamiliar with.
If I sit here and curse you guys out... post up porn (which I never do)... or blurt out ignorant childish remarks like, "Busa's suck and 12's rule"..... THEN BY ALL MEANS GIVE ME THE BOOT!!
But don't go trying to play Survior just because you don't want me popping your "Busa is God" bubble. The WISE people here know the deal and acknowledge both as equal machines, each with their sets of pro's and con's. It's only the ignorant biggots like yourselves that form a lynch mob and bust out with pitchforks when someone serves you a slice of reality.
Pacific Busa- Oh I just knew someone would bring up that test.. and I'm glad you did. Allow me to dispell yet another "myth".
Yes, in 100% bone stock trim the Hayabusa does have a lower drag coefficient... but that's not the whole story, you got to read between the lines to see why it's slightly more slippery than the ZX12R.
1. The ZX12R is over an inch taller... resulting in more frontal area.
2. The windscreen is not only taller but wider for better wind protection. Only the smallest of midgets can tuck well behind the stock Busa windscreen. Hence the reason most Busa guys go with a double bubble.... thus creating a larger frontal area like that of the stock 12R's windscreen. If you notice.. the rider on in the test is a freaking dwarf... how many of us are 5'6" 140 pounds?
3. The Busa mirrors are smaller and closer to the bodywork of the bike, resulting in very little drag. The stock ZX12R mirrors are huge and far from the body, out in the area of high pressure... creating a lot of drag. Sportrider mag did a test in 2001 and removing the mirrors on the ZX12R netted a 2+mph GAIN!!! The same treatment to the Busa yeilded nearly nothing! Again, anyone who intends on racing high speed... removes their mirrors anyway...
4. Notice the giant LAW tube mounted on the side of the ZX12R? Yeah, the thing looks like it could launch a SAM out of it! It also protrudes outward in the slipstream.. the Busa's smaller lower dual canisters allow for it to hide behind the legs of the rider.. creating less drag. But what happens when you put an aftermarket pipe on both bikes? Oh.. that's right... there is no extra drag on the canister of the 12r. I'm sure Kawasaki could have gone the dual exhaust route like the ZX11 and Hayabusa... but they decided to keep it a SPORTBIKE and not a ST bike. Again, more practical as well.. you're 50% less likely to ruin the can in a lowside, and it's easier/cheaper to modify with 1 slip-on instead of needing 2.
Now let's say the ZX12R was lowered an inch or so to the STOCK busa's height.... an ADEQUATE windcreen was given to the Busa so that normal people can get a decent tuck... aftermarket canisters were mounted on both bikes...and the mirrors were removed on both bikes. You'd see a VERY close drag coefficent from both bikes.
Unlike suzuki, kawasaki designed their bike with practicality in mind. Large mirrors that stick out far enough so that you're not staring at your shoulders... tall and wide windscreen so you don't need to be an oompaloompa to get a decent tuck at high speeds... and sporty ergo's that make it taller. You know... the ZX12R was designed with the intention of doing more than going straight.... unlike the single purpose oriented design of the Busa.
So yeah.... there's a little "education" right back at you.
Class dismissed.
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very good points, but you do realize you're on a BUSA board, right?
That ain't no education....yet. Although I will admit that those are good points to share with the group...at least the ones who haven't heard about them before.
Try again, though...I'm interested in what you're gonna say next.
we might have been more incline to listen to your so called facts and reason if you would have spent more time here before you posted ignorant comments, but its too late you just couldnt resist to temptation to talk outloud. thats your bad, so dont get pissy with those of us who might feel you are full of #### and tell you that your aproach to the org was dumb. none of us go to the zxr12 site and stir up a family of riders just to get their goose, you and all of us know and can see your motives even behind the smoke you have tried to blow up our ass'.
your the turd here not us.
and ill be as childish as i freaking want you lame ass poser
your the turd here not us.
and ill be as childish as i freaking want you lame ass poser
LOL! Yes sir... I am on a Busa board, well behind enemy lines. I don't expect to be welcomed with open arms. I did however expect to find intelligent forms of life... which I have with HayaVegas, PacificBusa, and a couple others. But like with all social groups there are the low class narrow minded biggots that roam.
From what I gather on this forum so far, the intelligent members are the vast majority and the ignorant children like BentValve and 1300hemibusa are simply an outspoken MINORITY.
I've been very active in all 3 major Hayabusa forums... Suzukihayabusa.org, Labusas.org, and now I'm venturing here to Hayabusa.org. From what I've experienced so far on OTHER threads... this place shelters the more HONEST and down to earth Busa owners who are more interested in riding and enjoying their machine than bragging rights and inflating their ego.
I come here not to troll or start trouble, but to share a point of view you seldom get on A BUSA FORUM.
There's an old chinese proverb.. "You can't see every angle from one place".
I would think that a highly informed and factually based view from "the other side" would be WELCOMED. Sort of a breath of fresh air.... a person who provides information you WON'T find on a Busa forum.
That's why I love to go to Hayabusa forums... I learn so much about my greatest competition which in turn helps me understand more about my own bike.
We have plenty of Busa guys on ZX-12R.org... and they are all more than welcome so long as they keep things mature and civil.
I personally invite any and all of you to check out www.zx-12r.org.. you WILL be welcomed with open arms regardless of what you ride or what your beliefs are..... so long as you conduct yourself as an adult when expressing it.
From what I gather on this forum so far, the intelligent members are the vast majority and the ignorant children like BentValve and 1300hemibusa are simply an outspoken MINORITY.
I've been very active in all 3 major Hayabusa forums... Suzukihayabusa.org, Labusas.org, and now I'm venturing here to Hayabusa.org. From what I've experienced so far on OTHER threads... this place shelters the more HONEST and down to earth Busa owners who are more interested in riding and enjoying their machine than bragging rights and inflating their ego.
I come here not to troll or start trouble, but to share a point of view you seldom get on A BUSA FORUM.
There's an old chinese proverb.. "You can't see every angle from one place".
I would think that a highly informed and factually based view from "the other side" would be WELCOMED. Sort of a breath of fresh air.... a person who provides information you WON'T find on a Busa forum.
That's why I love to go to Hayabusa forums... I learn so much about my greatest competition which in turn helps me understand more about my own bike.
We have plenty of Busa guys on ZX-12R.org... and they are all more than welcome so long as they keep things mature and civil.
I personally invite any and all of you to check out www.zx-12r.org.. you WILL be welcomed with open arms regardless of what you ride or what your beliefs are..... so long as you conduct yourself as an adult when expressing it.
Everyone makes a mistake....Im in no way sticking up for this guy, but maybe he is short on his meds. Phantom12, maybe if ya just chill a little, people would take you a little more serious. I'm not sure what kind of response you thought you were gonna get by your current trend of posts, but is this really a smart approach to having an educational, and informative discussion?
Take 2 Valium and Post again in the morning.
Take 2 Valium and Post again in the morning.
you crack me up.. i take it you truley think we diss anything else but the busa, i guess you think we will only ride with busa owners as well if we are narrow minded biggots, but i will open your narrow eyes a bit , everyone i ride with has their fav brand of bike and we dont try to throw around whos better or faster, its to each their own and we respect one anothers ride preference, hell i put up with the bashings i get from my family who builds custom harleys for a living but its all in fun because we know eachother, you dont know us so you coming in here and stiring the pot has had a different effect go freakin figure dude.
05BLUBUSA- So I need to have a certain amount of posts before I'm allowed to voice my mind? That's ignorant my friend.
I understand this is a tight knit family of guys... I didn't try and stir up a fight, I just gave AN OBJECTIVE VIEW!!!! It's rather hilarious how threatend you biggots become when someone says something you don't want to hear.
If you think I'm full of SHlT... GOOD! Prove me wrong, debate the argument!
Provide facts (not bias opinion) to disprove me!
Give me LOGICAL reasoning to support your views!
All I get from you turds is, "You're stupid" "Get the hell out!" "Busa is king"
Again, if I'm wrong... prove it, don't insult me and try to run me off the forum. That would only show that I'M RIGHT!!!!!!!!
I understand this is a tight knit family of guys... I didn't try and stir up a fight, I just gave AN OBJECTIVE VIEW!!!! It's rather hilarious how threatend you biggots become when someone says something you don't want to hear.
If you think I'm full of SHlT... GOOD! Prove me wrong, debate the argument!
Provide facts (not bias opinion) to disprove me!
Give me LOGICAL reasoning to support your views!
All I get from you turds is, "You're stupid" "Get the hell out!" "Busa is king"
Again, if I'm wrong... prove it, don't insult me and try to run me off the forum. That would only show that I'M RIGHT!!!!!!!!
Again, more practical as well.. you're 50% less likely to ruin the can in a lowside, and it's easier/cheaper to modify with 1 slip-on instead of needing 2.[/QUOTE]
Oh...and you may wanna re-think this statement...all things granted...
Oh...and you may wanna re-think this statement...all things granted...
Valium- I don't see why I need to wear kid gloves with grown adults. Why do I need to lurk for months making stupid posts like, "Cool man!" or "Wicked awesome bike dude!" just to have the right to disagree MATURELY?
Since when did it require long term infultration into a forum in order to be taken seriously?
If I have a STUPID argument and I'm making NO sense and have ZERO facts to support my views..... by all means don't take me seriously. But when I come here with facts, logic, reasoning, and extensive knowledge of BOTH bikes and just about EVERY SINGLE TEST CONDUCTED BETWEEN THE TWO...... I think I should be taken somewhat seriously.
I'm not some squid chanting, "ZX12R is KING!!!".... I'm trying to have an informative conversation about both bikes and how they compare in ALL aspects.
Why is that possible?
PacificBusa- Maybe you misunderstood the point of that statement. What I was getting at is that the pipe is on 1 side. Therefore making you 50% less likely to ruin the pipe on a lowside being that if you go down on the left side... the pipe is untouched. As for it being easier/cheaper to modify 1 canister/slip-on than 2.... that is just common sense.
If there's something I'm missing.... kindly point it out.
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Since when did it require long term infultration into a forum in order to be taken seriously?
If I have a STUPID argument and I'm making NO sense and have ZERO facts to support my views..... by all means don't take me seriously. But when I come here with facts, logic, reasoning, and extensive knowledge of BOTH bikes and just about EVERY SINGLE TEST CONDUCTED BETWEEN THE TWO...... I think I should be taken somewhat seriously.
I'm not some squid chanting, "ZX12R is KING!!!".... I'm trying to have an informative conversation about both bikes and how they compare in ALL aspects.
Why is that possible?
PacificBusa- Maybe you misunderstood the point of that statement. What I was getting at is that the pipe is on 1 side. Therefore making you 50% less likely to ruin the pipe on a lowside being that if you go down on the left side... the pipe is untouched. As for it being easier/cheaper to modify 1 canister/slip-on than 2.... that is just common sense.
If there's something I'm missing.... kindly point it out.
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no certain number, but a time to get the feel for how to post a resectful post behind enemy lines as you like to put, and i have nothing to prove its you that is here trying to say that the busa is a inferior product so its you that must prove the comments you have typed not us.
dont forget we have plenty of women riders as well not just a family of guys, but you would know that if you took the time.
try to have a better day bubba,
05BLUBUSA- I said the Busa is an inferior product? LMFAO! Quote me saying that and I will gladly eat my slice of humble pie and leave quietly.
I do however distinctly recall mentioning on SEVERAL occassions that the Busa is an amazing machine EQUAL to the ZX12R, with both bikes having their individual set of pro's and con's. I even remember stating that the Busa is the better 1/4 mile machine.. I even went into great depth explaining why!!! I even remember stating that if Kawasaki hadn't made the ZX12R... I'd be a PROUD Busa owner.
I have nothing but respect for the Busa, I see it as a brother in arms not a bitter rival. (I also said this before!!)
So how and where do you get the impression that I'm bashing the Busa?
It's YOU that has me pinned as a bad guy from the very start. You see that I'm not worshiping the Busa over all others and you blackball me. You're the one looking for a fight, not me. I'm here to talk about bikes in an adult manner.... YOU are the one acting like an ignorant child upset that I said your daddy may not be the toughest guy on the block.
You got a lot of balls trying to put such words in my mouth.
Oh and about there being girls here.... Quick lesson in the english language. The term "Guys" doesn't directly relate to all males. It signifies a group of people... and is not gender specific.
Maybe if you started behaving like an adult... you'd think like one too.
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I do however distinctly recall mentioning on SEVERAL occassions that the Busa is an amazing machine EQUAL to the ZX12R, with both bikes having their individual set of pro's and con's. I even remember stating that the Busa is the better 1/4 mile machine.. I even went into great depth explaining why!!! I even remember stating that if Kawasaki hadn't made the ZX12R... I'd be a PROUD Busa owner.
I have nothing but respect for the Busa, I see it as a brother in arms not a bitter rival. (I also said this before!!)
So how and where do you get the impression that I'm bashing the Busa?
It's YOU that has me pinned as a bad guy from the very start. You see that I'm not worshiping the Busa over all others and you blackball me. You're the one looking for a fight, not me. I'm here to talk about bikes in an adult manner.... YOU are the one acting like an ignorant child upset that I said your daddy may not be the toughest guy on the block.
You got a lot of balls trying to put such words in my mouth.
Oh and about there being girls here.... Quick lesson in the english language. The term "Guys" doesn't directly relate to all males. It signifies a group of people... and is not gender specific.
Maybe if you started behaving like an adult... you'd think like one too.
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you're spot on about needing two slip-ons, but it's kind of a neglible point anyway, don't ya think?
Most of the speed demons don't toy with slip-ons...they shoot straight for the full set-up.
Which begins us on another path....
Very true! But if you have a stock can.... you damage it... you know that the stock can costs more than an aftermarket slip-on.
The point is however negligable when talking all out performance... a full system is by far and away the way to go... but not everyone is out for performance and many simply desire the sound and look of a nice slip-on. I'm not one of those people... but there is a large percentage of people who could care less about another 10rwhp and just want the aggressive sound and look.
Anyhow... you vaugely hinted at the prospect of a discussion on full systems. Care to go into depth or let it be?
The point is however negligable when talking all out performance... a full system is by far and away the way to go... but not everyone is out for performance and many simply desire the sound and look of a nice slip-on. I'm not one of those people... but there is a large percentage of people who could care less about another 10rwhp and just want the aggressive sound and look.
Anyhow... you vaugely hinted at the prospect of a discussion on full systems. Care to go into depth or let it be?
if you are trying to be so correct, then try adsressing him by his correct screen name..
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