EV vehicles

[TallTom]

I KNEW you had more thoughts on the subject.....LOL!


Then look at the data I provided which is pointing towards current EV owners switching back to ICE for some strange reason....

Nothing strange about it. There is plenty of written explanations as to why. But as you've learned here Bee, none of your sources have validity. Only the EV fanboys are right in what they present.

My sister is as left leaning greenie as it can get. She bought a Tesla Model X or Y whichever the SUV type is.

She's already has had a taste of how things can turn sour after her windshield cracked while under warranty. It cost her thousands and it still isn't right. And if she intends to travel any distance, she rents. She really doesn't travel far in it so she has relatively small fuel/charge cost. But it isn't free energy.

She has already said, she misses the BMW they traded.

I know an owner of a Model S. He is a PDR specialist and goes from dealer to dealer. He gets free use of a charging station. His dealer route are not more than 100 miles between each. Usually less. I'm sure they would have offered him free gasoline if he has an ICE. And it's a total write off at tax time. So he is thrilled he has a Model S that cost him nothing to operate. And it's a nice car. If I could drive one free of cost, I'd probably drive one. As long as I could get a bumper to bumper warranty for the duration I owned it.

One of the posters here has an excellent way to own one. His wife travels less than 15K/yr, gets a car allowance that pays the monthly lease rate. You dump it at year (whatever 2 or 3 or?) before the elephant in the room shows up and you need a new battery pack.

If they were such a fantastic choice of vehicles, the resale value wouldn't be tanking and the dealers wouldn't have a problem selling inventory. And makers wouldn't be going bankrupt.

And I'll even say gosh assume everyone that owned one was thrilled with them. They represent a total of 14% of cars sold. So you can use the logic that only 14% of the population is smart, or 85% are. Everyone banking on the 14% growing have pretty much gone bankrupt betting on it.

And I get tickled when I hear the cyber truck is sold out for the next 2 years.

As of April 2024, Tesla has delivered 3,878 Cybertrucks since December 2022. Many waited for 3 years to get one, only to face a recall. So it isn't going to rock the automotive world if sold out only equates to 2000 units a year. And we have no idea how many of the reservations will back out. So a delivered unit is the only thing affecting the Tesla bottom line.

I wouldn't call this a successful launch of any vehicle. But what do I know? I'm not in the camp that would part with $100K to buy one in the 1st place. Some people have more $$ than sense.

So Bee bask in your cluelessness. 85% of the automotive consumer population is as clueless as you.

That's sarcasm for the particularly slower ones.

 

[Bumblebee]

Nothing strange about it. There is plenty of written explanations as to why. But as you've learned here Bee, none of your sources have validity. Only the EV fanboys are right in what they present.

My sister is as left leaning greenie as it can get. She bought a Tesla Model X or Y whichever the SUV type is.

She's already has had a taste of how things can turn sour after her windshield cracked while under warranty. It cost her thousands and it still isn't right. And if she intends to travel any distance, she rents. She really doesn't travel far in it so she has relatively small fuel/charge cost. But it isn't free energy.

She has already said, she misses the BMW they traded.

I know an owner of a Model S. He is a PDR specialist and goes from dealer to dealer. He gets free use of a charging station. His dealer route are not more than 100 miles between each. Usually less. I'm sure they would have offered him free gasoline if he has an ICE. And it's a total write off at tax time. So he is thrilled he has a Model S that cost him nothing to operate. And it's a nice car. If I could drive one free of cost, I'd probably drive one. As long as I could get a bumper to bumper warranty for the duration I owned it.

One of the posters here has an excellent way to own one. His wife travels less than 15K/yr, gets a car allowance that pays the monthly lease rate. You dump it at year (whatever 2 or 3 or?) before the elephant in the room shows up and you need a new battery pack.

If they were such a fantastic choice of vehicles, the resale value wouldn't be tanking and the dealers wouldn't have a problem selling inventory. And makers wouldn't be going bankrupt.

And I'll even say gosh assume everyone that owned one was thrilled with them. They represent a total of 14% of cars sold. So you can use the logic that only 14% of the population is smart, or 85% are. Everyone banking on the 14% growing have pretty much gone bankrupt betting on it.

And I get tickled when I hear the cyber truck is sold out for the next 2 years.

As of April 2024, Tesla has delivered 3,878 Cybertrucks since December 2022. Many waited for 3 years to get one, only to face a recall. So it isn't going to rock the automotive world if sold out only equates to 2000 units a year. And we have no idea how many of the reservations will back out. So a delivered unit is the only thing affecting the Tesla bottom line.

I wouldn't call this a successful launch of any vehicle. But what do I know? I'm not in the camp that would part with $100K to buy one in the 1st place. Some people have more $$ than sense.

So Bee bask in your cluelessness. 85% of the automotive consumer population is as clueless as you.

That's sarcasm for the particularly slower ones.

I read the Cybertruck has had 4 recalls so far....

Anyone I know that has an EV uses it as a second vehicle and has an ICE for any travelling. Kind of makes sense to me....someone who has say a GSXR for riding around and a Gold Wing for distances....(anyone we know like that.... @sixpack577 maybe....).

Technically for all the driving I do, an EV would suit me fine...however, I like my pickup....

I often wonder if lack of use is hard on the battery...if the thing is sitting does it drain the battery after a while and if people are constantly wanting them charged to full...is this hard on the battery as well like it is with a cell phone where they tell you to not let the battery go below 10%?

 

[Red05]

Exactly, here we go again.......

The infrastructure might be in place 100% where you are, but I'm reading it isn't in place all across the US......and certain states and cities are suffering with power grid woes.

Most of this country is quite ready. Springfield MO is never on the front edge of anything, and it’s ready. I get your argument; it’s grounded, but infrastructure is not the problem here in the least. It’s range and cost of the new vehicle.
You and I have been through this.

 

[Bumblebee]

Most of this country is quite ready. Springfield MO is never on the front edge of anything, and it’s ready. I get your argument; it’s grounded, but infrastructure is not the problem here in the least. It’s range and cost of the new vehicle.
You and I have been through this.

We've been through it and then some....

Good on the USA for being EV ready....we in the north sure aren't and won't be for decades in my estimation....

Like your country, the fate of the EV push relies on the next election.

 

[Red05]

We've been through it and then some....


Like your country, the fate of the EV push relies on the next election.

Can’t agree, at least in the U.S. It relies on continuing battery technology and on the confidence of the consumer to try when they deem it the right time.
Our upcoming election is a farce and I don’t see anything pivoting with either one of them in the White House.

As for Tom’s story about the Tesla windshield, the local dealership stocks windshields, most of the replacements being stress cracks. It’s all cars, ICE and EV, but that story sure came in handy as a knock.

 

[Bumblebee]

Can’t agree, at least in the U.S. It relies on continuing battery technology and on the confidence of the consumer to try when they deem it the right time.
Our upcoming election is a farce and I don’t see anything pivoting with either one of them in the White House.

In our upcoming election I think the incoming Prime Minister will pull the reins a little on EV until we are better prepared for them...

The good news is we have people not only from all over the US but the world....

I'd like it if some of these people sounded off as to the readiness for EV in their respective areas.....

 

[TallTom]

In our upcoming election I think the incoming Prime Minister will pull the reins a little on EV until we are better prepared for them...

The good news is we have people not only from all over the US but the world....

I'd like it if some of these people sounded off as to the readiness for EV in their respective areas.....

I think there was some dude from Norway who seemed to post they were a pretty EV progressive nation. I seem to recall he also said, they made it so by taxing the eff out of ICE vehicle use. Basically forcing EVs to be the least costly means of transport. Didn't say cost effective.
Less costly of all the costly choices. Canada and the U.S. could follow that lead. CA is already taxing the eff out of gasoline there. I thinks it's 4.80/gal there currently. I have no plans to buy a new ICE. I'm not that thrilled with the quality of ICE cars all that much either. I'll hope they can't figure out how to tax existing ICE cars. But I wouldn't be surprised if they try.

I'll buy a 70s/80s vintage pre emission, pre computer Land Rover Discovery, put an antique tag on it and keep it running til I croak. Super easy to work on and still parts galore. But they are pretty reliable. It burns Mexican gas if it needs to. The diesel versions will burn sweaty gym shorts in a pinch.

They are beginning to get discovered (no pun intended). Prices are starting to climb like the old Toyota LandCruisers and Ford Broncos. Built tough. Kept simple. And sort of becoming the eff you alternative. A local guy put up a restored 70s Bronco. Asked 63K for it. And got it.

That's dumber than Tesla money.

 

[Bumblebee]

I think there was some dude from Norway who seemed to post they were a pretty EV progressive nation. I seem to recall he also said, they made it so by taxing the eff out of ICE vehicle use. Basically forcing EVs to be the least costly means of transport. Didn't say cost effective.
Less costly of all the costly choices. Canada and the U.S. could follow that lead. CA is already taxing the eff out of gasoline there. I thinks it's 4.80/gal there currently. I have no plans to buy a new ICE. I'm not that thrilled with the quality of ICE cars all that much either. I'll hope they can't figure out how to tax existing ICE cars. But I wouldn't be surprised if they try.

I'll buy a 70s/80s vintage pre emission, pre computer Land Rover Discovery, put an antique tag on it and keep it running til I croak. Super easy to work on and still parts galore. But they are pretty reliable. It burns Mexican gas if it needs to. The diesel versions will burn sweaty gym shorts in a pinch.

They are beginning to get discovered (no pun intended). Prices are starting to climb like the old Toyota LandCruisers and Ford Broncos. Built tough. Kept simple. And sort of becoming the eff you alternative. A local guy put up a restored 70s Bronco. Asked 63K for it. And got it.

That's dumber than Tesla money.

I know there is an incentive for the push to EV regardless of our preparedness to do so...

I hear you on the old Land Rover and although I feel what your thoughts are, I believe all the older vehicles are real polluters.....they are what caused the smog around all the major cities in the day..........While walking on a busy road, perhaps 20 vehicles will pass by and there is no smell but one older vehicle even from the '80s goes by and you can smell it instantly.....I guess I had forgotten just how bad these older vehicles polluted.

Then a dump truck or similar vehicle goes by belching black smoke like a freight train......I'm an advocate for ICE vehicles but these don't help my cause very much....

I recall when my son had to get his older (2006) Ford Focus e-tested, it barely registered on the tester, I can only imagine what these older vehicles would register at....

 

[michael parris heuberger]

There are sure a lot of the use of the word "fault" in that post.....

However.........we ALL know you have more thoughts left in you on this subject....."final thoughts?" Don't make me laugh out loud to myself.....

Hi. If we do not find faults with things EV"S guns and other things we will never make anything better. Like pistons I still want MMC pistons and I will keep looking. I am still looking for Composit rods too. I still would like to find a maker of a Magnesion block head and cases. So I find fault with the Busa motor.

 

[TallTom]

Hi. If we do not find faults with things EV"S guns and other things we will never make anything better. Like pistons I still want MMC pistons and I will keep looking. I am still looking for Composit rods too. I still would like to find a maker of a Magnesion block head and cases. So I find fault with the Busa motor.

Or you can fall for the logic of, since you don't find or discuss fault, you must be in support of something.

I'm sorry but if I'm going to consider spending my hard earned $$, I have a right to research my choices. You want me to buy an EV? I'm happy to. Provide me with a practical one, and I will research it. I made a huge mistake buying my Ford F-150. Been the worst Ford I've ever owned. Salesman: This Triton V-8 is just stellar technology. So well engineered. Ford has some of the best engineers that designed this. Now you get performance, plus mileage, plus flex fuel."

Total POS.

 

[michael parris heuberger]

Or you can fall for the logic of, since you don't find or discuss fault, you must be in support of something.

I'm sorry but if I'm going to consider spending my hard earned $$, I have a right to research my choices. You want me to buy an EV? I'm happy to. Provide me with a practical one, and I will research it. I made a huge mistake buying my Ford F-150. Been the worst Ford I've ever owned. Salesman: This Triton V-8 is just stellar technology. So well engineered. Ford has some of the best engineers that designed this. Now you get performance, plus mileage, plus flex fuel."

Total POS.

Hi. I have never had luck with Fords. I have luck with Chevy's but not newer ones. I havs a Honda Civic now with 530,000 K not it. I would thake it to CA to day to go and get frsh air in my tent on the LA streets.

 

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An EV I had the pleasure of benchmarking a few years ago

 

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[Bumblebee]

Or you can fall for the logic of, since you don't find or discuss fault, you must be in support of something.

I'm sorry but if I'm going to consider spending my hard earned $$, I have a right to research my choices. You want me to buy an EV? I'm happy to. Provide me with a practical one, and I will research it. I made a huge mistake buying my Ford F-150. Been the worst Ford I've ever owned. Salesman: This Triton V-8 is just stellar technology. So well engineered. Ford has some of the best engineers that designed this. Now you get performance, plus mileage, plus flex fuel."

Total POS.

My last F150 had a 5 liter in it and was decent....the ones before it had the 4.6 as I was warned off of the 5.4 before buying them...

I had 4 F150s in a row and all of them haul stuff in the bed far better than my current Ram with the coil over suspension verse leaf springs which were better for hauling...

Ram knew this and that's why they put air suspension in the their trucks....a system that doesn't like being in the salt belt where we live.....everyone I know who has the air suspension has had issues with it...

EVs will have their place....but it won't be in a dominant position for a decade or so if them.

 

[Bumblebee]

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Pretty sleek machine.....

 

[TallTom]

Hi. I have never had luck with Fords. I have luck with Chevy's but not newer ones. I havs a Honda Civic now with 530,000 K not it. I would thake it to CA to day to go and get frsh air in my tent on the LA streets.

Ford like many others have lost their way. At the time I bought this, I had 3 other Super Duty Fords. The 7.3 diesel was the last good engine Ford had. They were work vehicle monsters!

The body would fall apart before the drivetrain did.

 

[TallTom]

My last F150 had a 5 liter in it and was decent....the ones before it had the 4.6 as I was warned off of the 5.4 before buying them...

I had 4 F150s in a row and all of them haul stuff in the bed far better than my current Ram with the coil over suspension verse leaf springs which were better for hauling...

Ram knew this and that's why they put air suspension in the their trucks....a system that doesn't like being in the salt belt where we live.....everyone I know who has the air suspension has had issues with it...

EVs will have their place....but it won't be in a dominant position for a decade or so if them.

Yep the 4.6 was and is still a pretty great powerplant. I run them in my work vans now. I won't touch a 5.4 or the V-10.

 

[Bumblebee]

Ford like many others have lost their way. At the time I bought this, I had 3 other Super Duty Fords. The 7.3 diesel was the last good engine Ford had. They were work vehicle monsters!

The body would fall apart before the drivetrain did.

When I was shopping to replace my F150 it was the last of the steel F150s before they went to aluminum....when I was researching (back then) they were having issues with paint on their trucks and others were reporting how much they slid around in the snow because they were so light, some even starting putting sandbags in the back like the old days......not a good sign in a 4X4.....

I decided I didn't want another F150 so bought a Ram sport and so far it has been good however a neighbor has an F150 Tremor that could lure me back if I was out shopping again....

 

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[Bumblebee]

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