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Well that's a real disaster if RC batteries are going up in price! As for the test in Bedford and the assumed longevity, well who knows? It could be true but it could be BS as well. The EV industry has been caught out lying about ranges, all being calculated from bench tests in warm laboratories. At least in the old days the engineers would have put them in a wind tunnel on a belt to simulate drag at speed.
I can only imagine the cost of the charger to do it that quick. Not the sort of thing you'd install in your home, or many localities. It's probably hooked direct to a nuclear power station lol. We live in the age of corporate lies so nothing is to be taken at face value unless perhaps it's a truly independent test. Odds are the company making those Super Batteries is just chasing investment capital so they can all drive new cars and buy bigger homes. That's the reality I'm afraid.
Or the next two the ways things are going. I think the progress made on this version of the EV has been quite impressive, but just not in a practical economic sense. It's a bit like the colony on Mars concept that many, including Musk, have pushed over the years. Sure it's probably doable, but not in any economic sense. The modern EV didn't actually involve any super R&D now did it. It used existing battery technologies, existing brushless motors and what-not, and the cars themselves are basically just old sheet metal designs. Add an Ipad from 2010 and Voilà, an EV.
Kind of a disaster as I was under the belief that once technology was sound, the prices would drop as a result....the batteries I use are over $100 now as opposed to $40 like they used to be.
There are no facts being presented here by the pro-EV boys, just projections, that as time passes are proved false. Like that 5 minute charging battery, it's longevity is a projection by any standard but you assume it's a Fact?
Claimed Fact: EV chargers will soon be in abundance all across the nation, Gov has committed Billions for this.
Reality: In two year Gov has build next to none and they are being destroyed for their copper content faster than they are being installed.
Claimed Fact: Our EV's will get cheaper and cheaper as mass production methods and innovation take charge
Reality: EV's are being sold below cost in a desperate attempt to forestall the inevitable, the takeover by substandard Chinese product.
Claimed Fact: EV's are good for the planet because they don't burn fossil fuels.
Reality: So much fossil fuels are burnt to make them it takes 5 years for them to break even with an ICE car. And then there is the coal and Gas used to charge most of them.
I could go on, but Logic and real world facts are ignored by the faithful. All people like myself and others do is point out these facts so that others who haven't been mesmerized by the marketing yet can make rational decisions for themselves. Now that the mass media are reporting these facts that is a lot easier. No one wants to see their family, friends and neighbors make poor life decisions, unfortunately most people are not that intelligent, they leave it to others to direct their thinking and typically believe those who sell the brightest dreams.
I have advised people not to buy in Flood zones then seen them go ahead and buy only to get flooded out, their lives basically thrown into turmoil for years. They didn't want to believe me because they were positive thinkers, Glass half full types. Yeah, well it's hard to think positive when your standing in a meter of water with all your earthly possessions floating all around you in muddy water laced with human feces. So buy an EV, spend your days charging it, taking only short trips for fear that the charger 200 miles away might be broken. Pay all the extra insurance, don't run the heater in Winter on long trips and kid yourself you made a great choice, you are an EV owner, one of the elite, part of the future.
Lithium and cobalt, nickle and copper are limited resources but with the collapse of the EV makers the price of Lithium at least has cratered. Some prices though are very sticky and most lag input costs by 6 months or so.
I just checked a local hobby shop for the nVision 4500 mAh 45C batteries I run in the Vorza. $56 (aussie) per, they were at least $80 last time I bought them, 5 odd years ago. So perhaps you need to find a new shop?
Now here's something that might interest you BB, a classic Cold War movie! Richard Widmark The Bedford Incident (1965) Free to watch and download
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There’s a huge variance on price with batteries depending on brand. A 40v 5ah replacement for all my yard equipment runs anywhere from $120 to $240 for a Kobalt branded one, although my current battery is 4 years old and just fine.
Understood, unfortunately my lipo tools are battery brand limited and that means big prices. I did buy a generic 12V 20Ah one recently at it was half the price it was a year ago. It's a real crap shoot it seems.
Remember we are taxed to death here as well....
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I’d love to show you the facts but unfortunately I would need a Time Machine because living in the future.
You keep saying the EV market is dead meanwhile more and more investment in this space keeps happening from private investment companies. I told you about Ford, they just announced they are moving their low cost EV HQ to California. Also, check out what’s happening in the boat and small plane industry.
As for infrastructure. check out the likes of Watt EV, Green Lane, Terra Watt, EVgo, Electrify America, Charge point, Voltera and many more companies who are actively putting chargers in the ground. You don’t see it because you’re not in it. Also, the speed at which all this is happening is impressive in it own right. Think about all the land purchasing, permitting, installation, and commissionings of these new sites…. This stuff just takes time but it’s happening a hell of a lot faster than it use to. 7 years ago 50kW DC charging speeds were thought to be the holy grail but today its 1.5MW. Again, you don’t know because you’re on the outside and I can’t show you everything because I’m bound, legally.
Here are some facts.
You can drive across America in an EV that only has a 250 mile range because infrastructure is in place to do so.
6C rate batteries are here
New cell chemistry allows 100% to 1% charge and discharge without damaging the cell.
EVs are good for the planet because they can achieve a net zero if they stay in circulation long enough…. But you don’t have to take my word for it Electric Vehicle Myths | US EPA.
my last fact for this thread: I’m not paid to educate you. I offer you glimpses of insight on an industry I’m deeply involved with. You refuse to take the kernels I’ve left in this thread to do any investigation as to what’s coming or the good of what’s been done. I’m not trying to change your mind on what you need to do or purchase regarding EV’s. Early adopters pave the way in technological advancement for all industries. I’m proud of the work I do and will continue to try to make things better for the future.
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I spoke to a person visiting a neighbor who has an F150 Lightning.....he's had it for a year now and absolutely can't wait to get rid of it...he leased it and has a lease return minimum but once he reaches that in a little under 6 months, it's gone for an ICE truck....
He said he was so sick and tired of not being able to use it for what he wants as there is a big laundry list of what he can't do in it......on top of that he seems to always be looking for a recharging station as it's energy consumption is thirsty even when driving conservatively.....
On top of that it has broke down twice requiring a flat bed ride to the dealership, both times it failed to initialize....I mentioned I ran across a guy at the hospital that had the same issue and it was some sort of module.
He said the worst part is Ford said they had put in the new updated module and it went too.....
EV will get there eventually I suppose...
One thing I like about the Lightning is it looks like a regular F150 (except for that ugly daytime light bar on the front). Ford was smart int hat regard....why totally reinvent the wheel....
He said he was so sick and tired of not being able to use it for what he wants as there is a big laundry list of what he can't do in it......on top of that he seems to always be looking for a recharging station as it's energy consumption is thirsty even when driving conservatively.....
On top of that it has broke down twice requiring a flat bed ride to the dealership, both times it failed to initialize....I mentioned I ran across a guy at the hospital that had the same issue and it was some sort of module.
He said the worst part is Ford said they had put in the new updated module and it went too.....
EV will get there eventually I suppose...
One thing I like about the Lightning is it looks like a regular F150 (except for that ugly daytime light bar on the front). Ford was smart int hat regard....why totally reinvent the wheel....
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He probably doesn't have a high enough level of education. He probably doesn't know how to interpret data.
And as someone who has a crappy Ford product, I feel his pain about dealing with Ford.
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The F150, admittedly, needs a ton of refinement. Your neighbor has probably made an impact on Fords next gen.
interoperability is a huge topic that I could write pages about. His failure to initialize a charging session could also be on the EVSE side of things. Check out ISO15118-20. There are active CharIN events around the world to test for interoperability.
Things will get better it’s just going to take some time.
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No. It was a response to Ford in general and their culture. But Bee's story is similar to here.
I thought about the EV Transit for my company. It was underwhelming by the time you could actually get the vehicle configured. And they said 9 months to deliver. Even if I did buy. I carry a consistent load. And I need to have more than 75 miles before you sweat out getting it recharged. The only decent takeaway I had was they did have a pretty decent way of showing how much electricity it used for recharging. That was for the purpose of record keeping and driver reimbursement.
Add to that I sued Ford a few years back. Defective product and implied warranty.
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It's obvious that there are two kinds of drivers out there, those that don't mind turning their lives upside-down and inside out for the personal satisfaction of owning an ev, and the rest of us who just want to get on with the business of using our cars in the most practical and efficient manner. Years ago they got the engines and gas tanks on certain cars just right for the Aussie landscape. 1000 km+ ranges are quite common on many petrol and diesel offerings. Used around the city suburbs that can mean many weeks of driving between fill ups.
It shouldn't surprise us that 1 or 2% of the population of wealthy western nations want to drive ev though, it's like the tiny fraction that want to own bitcoin and say it's the bees knees. I just wish so much of the planet's scarce resources weren't diverted to playing this stuff, like all the electricity diverted to BC.
Now fast forward to 2024 and the power consumed is up around 1% of the world's consumption. That's a lot of power just so a tiny minority of people can play with digital money.
As for the "You're just an EV Hater" meme that is used against all the rest of us, well that shouldn't surprise us either. Just look at these transgender men who claim to be Women and want the right to go into girl's toilets. When people even suggest that's not appropriate they get screamed down as being HATERS!!! All minority groups that don't find total acceptance behave this way. There is no middle ground.
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