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sixpack577 said:
shhhh...now you're going after the rich
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Who needs all those wide body jets and Cruse ships anyway when we can have our own little private jet and a Yacht? Of course we'll run them on used chip oil or some such, totally renewable.

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Good news on the EV front. They are solving the issue of "charger Hogs" finally.

August 16, 2024

A U.S. electric vehicle charging company is developing new technology to deal with EV ‘charging hogs’ who let their electric cars linger at public chargers. Two of the many issues that dampen the electric vehicle charging experience are long lines and extended wait times. In many cases, these wait times are caused by drivers who linger at public EV chargers to let their EVs charge to 100%

Unlike fossil fuel-powered cars, which can receive a full tank of gas with no issue, electric car batteries function optimally at 20–80%. “Filling up” your EV regularly (charging up to 100%) can speed up the battery’s rate of degradation and reduce its lifespan. Consequently, charging to 80% kills two birds with one stone by aiding in the preservation of EV batteries and improving overall charging experiences for all drivers.

Electrify America is now experimenting with a novel solution that would cut off such drivers once their EVs are fully charged. One of the largest EV-charging companies in the country, Electrify America has built a network of public chargers to serve the nation’s growing electric vehicle fleet. As a result, the charging company serves thousands of EV drivers across the country and is in a unique position to deal with charging hogs.
The company has instituted a limit that automatically cuts off EV charging once the vehicle is 85% charged and instructs the driver to unplug their car or pay an idle time fee of 40 cents per minute for using the spot. This will ensure that drivers who typically linger at chargers leave once their EVs are optimally charged and keep lines moving faster. Tesla vehicles also have a similar feature that limits charging to 80% when they plug into a Supercharger station with many users to limit congestion.
But while Tesla drivers can use a vehicle control to override the charging limit, Electrify America’s limit cannot be avoided, and every driver who uses an Electrify America station will be limited to 80%. The move could go a long way toward improving charging experiences for America’s growing community of EV drivers.
Charging has been one of the largest barriers to EV adoption since Tesla first launched the Roadster well over a decade ago. America’s network of chargers isn’t large enough to support the current number of electric cars on the road, let alone a countrywide fleet of battery electric vehicles (BEVs). Furthermore, issues such as unreliable chargers and long wait lines mean that drivers with access to public chargers typically have poor charging experiences. xww.greencarstocks.com/us-ev-charging-company-acts-to-curb-charging-hogs/
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40 cents a minute seems a fair penalty. Instead of sitting down in Starbucks for half an hour they can get the takeaway cup and drink it in the car. As long as they recycle the cup!
 
Oz22 said:
Good news on the EV front. They are solving the issue of "charger Hogs" finally.



40 cents a minute seems a fair penalty. Instead of sitting down in Starbucks for half an hour they can get the takeaway cup and drink it in the car. As long as they recycle the cup!
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Another charging related current event. Because charging us so slow, owners found a way to cheat. Apparently TESLA built in charge throttling based on the temperature of the charge handle. If it gets too warm, they throttle back the charge amperage. Owners complained of slow charging (imagine that), and put a wet cold water soaked towel over the handle to cool off the handle and thus speeding up the charge.

Tesla is not to happy about this.

 
This is what the Australian and Japanese Engineers began working on

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And this is what the American and Chinese did with the concept

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You would have to move to another planet for the EV to be successful, a planet without shopping malls and football stadiums. The personal vehicle is nothing more than a luxury that we use to bring home cartons of coca cola and use to commute to pointless jobs far on the other side of our cities. Enjoy them while they last.
 
A different take on the situation.....

I do think we need to clean up our act and start to work with nature instead of against it.....even EV is working against nature-human beings have to adjust the way we live first......but we all know that isn't realistic.....

What we do in western countries is just a drop in the bucket....until the largest populations get on board, whatever we do is frivolous...

 
My sister bought a toyota hybrid and told me that it recharges itself through regenerative braking. That's impossible I said? You'd have be traveling down hills for half your trip. Oh no! "The salesman told me" she said, "I think he would know a little more about it than you." So I went to the Toyota website and there plain as day it tells how it primarily recharges off the gasoline engine, the regenerative aspect being minimal. She didn't like to hear that, but like a good modern person she simply dismissed it as irrelevant.

Of course if you have even a basic understanding in electrical systems, work and energy, this is self-obvious, but there are millions of people on this planet devoid of any scientific knowledge, yet because they listen to marketing think they know it all. For months she bragged about it's fuel efficiency, how much better it was than the 2L car she drove previously. I began to explain about the gutless Atkinson-cycle engines they are built on and then gave up. What's the point.

True that combo engine of hers does what she needs, if she plants her foot the electric side kicks in as well and boosts the power substantially. All great if you live and drive across predominantly flat country as she does, but put that car in the mountains and it will be a different story all together. The battery pack will be depleted in short order and they take quite a while to recharge. Personally I think the hybrid vehicles have their place, and really come into their element in the city environment. But they are very complex machines, and at the end of the day the battery pack dies and you're left with a gutless second hand car worth $10k in need of a $10k battery replacement. We'll have to wait another 6 or 8 years to get a good idea how the secondhand market reacts to that reality. Interestingly the money she saves of fuel she spends on Organic fruit and vegetables. So I ask myself, if all the money coming in the door is still going out, what does the fuel saving side of it really add up to?
 
Oz22 said:
My sister bought a toyota hybrid and told me that it recharges itself through regenerative braking. That's impossible I said? You'd have be traveling down hills for half your trip. Oh no! "The salesman told me" she said, "I think he would know a little more about it than you." So I went to the Toyota website and there plain as day it tells how it primarily recharges off the gasoline engine, the regenerative aspect being minimal. She didn't like to hear that, but like a good modern person she simply dismissed it as irrelevant.

Of course if you have even a basic understanding in electrical systems, work and energy, this is self-obvious, but there are millions of people on this planet devoid of any scientific knowledge, yet because they listen to marketing think they know it all. For months she bragged about it's fuel efficiency, how much better it was than the 2L car she drove previously. I began to explain about the gutless Atkinson-cycle engines they are built on and then gave up. What's the point.

True that combo engine of hers does what she needs, if she plants her foot the electric side kicks in as well and boosts the power substantially. All great if you live and drive across predominantly flat country as she does, but put that car in the mountains and it will be a different story all together. The battery pack will be depleted in short order and they take quite a while to recharge. Personally I think the hybrid vehicles have their place, and really come into their element in the city environment. But they are very complex machines, and at the end of the day the battery pack dies and you're left with a gutless second hand car worth $10k in need of a $10k battery replacement. We'll have to wait another 6 or 8 years to get a good idea how the secondhand market reacts to that reality. Interestingly the money she saves of fuel she spends on Organic fruit and vegetables. So I ask myself, if all the money coming in the door is still going out, what does the fuel saving side of it really add up to?
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Stick around. There is a resident intellectual Titan that has 23 degrees and PHd levels of electrical and scientific knowledge that will set you straight on this. Your problem will be, you just aren't educated enough to understand the problem. You and 85% of the driving population are just stupid people.
 
Oz22 said:
My sister bought a toyota hybrid and told me that it recharges itself through regenerative braking. That's impossible I said? You'd have be traveling down hills for half your trip. Oh no! "The salesman told me" she said, "I think he would know a little more about it than you." So I went to the Toyota website and there plain as day it tells how it primarily recharges off the gasoline engine, the regenerative aspect being minimal. She didn't like to hear that, but like a good modern person she simply dismissed it as irrelevant.

Of course if you have even a basic understanding in electrical systems, work and energy, this is self-obvious, but there are millions of people on this planet devoid of any scientific knowledge, yet because they listen to marketing think they know it all. For months she bragged about it's fuel efficiency, how much better it was than the 2L car she drove previously. I began to explain about the gutless Atkinson-cycle engines they are built on and then gave up. What's the point.

True that combo engine of hers does what she needs, if she plants her foot the electric side kicks in as well and boosts the power substantially. All great if you live and drive across predominantly flat country as she does, but put that car in the mountains and it will be a different story all together. The battery pack will be depleted in short order and they take quite a while to recharge. Personally I think the hybrid vehicles have their place, and really come into their element in the city environment. But they are very complex machines, and at the end of the day the battery pack dies and you're left with a gutless second hand car worth $10k in need of a $10k battery replacement. We'll have to wait another 6 or 8 years to get a good idea how the secondhand market reacts to that reality. Interestingly the money she saves of fuel she spends on Organic fruit and vegetables. So I ask myself, if all the money coming in the door is still going out, what does the fuel saving side of it really add up to?
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My son has a Santa Fe Hybrid and was explaining it's features to me when he was visiting (without the Santa Fe as someone rear-ended him in January and it has yet to be fixed), he has an EV mode that allows him to run without the ICE component....it has 60 kms of range on a good day....his kids told me they freeze in it in the winter because he won't turn on the heater so he can maximize the EV part.....they hate it as a result.

The funny part of it all is he and his girlfriend are buying her parent's house which is substantially farther away from his work so he will end up plugging it in each and every night to charge the battery.....and the electrical cost per KW/hr in his province is three times what it is here.......

We already see the used market on EV and from what I'm told at my local dealership, they send the used EV right to auction as people around here won't touch a used EV.
 
A friend of mine has a Toyota Highlander Hybrid, and 2 of my coworkers have the Camry Hybrid, and the Rav-4 Hybrid.
All are 2023 models, and all have the same drivetrain.
The Camry and Rav-4 live 20-25 miles from work.
Hills, twisty, roads, and stop and go driving.
The Hylander about 20 miles of straight road and highway.
I ask all 3 of them seperately months ago what kind of gas mileage that they got.
All 3 said said 46mpg, and that is just driving everywhere, to work, short trips around home, and anywhere that they go.
My wife has a 2023 Rav-4 as well, only hers is the regular gas powered 4 cylinder.
She travels for work, Monday through Thursday, home nightly, but drives 30 minutes, an hour and a half, 2 hours, and 3 1/2 to 4 hours, depending on which building she needs to be in that day(the company pays her mileage).
I put gas in her car for her regulary, at the same gas station about a mile away, and the roads she travels are full of hills, turns, multiple speed limit changes, or just all highway.
It gets 28 mpg, and low 30's when we have done a few long just highway trips.
Her gas only Rav-4 has all the bells and whistles and the sticker was $37k.
My coworkers otherwise identical Rav-4 Hybrid was $46k.
So how long would the $9k increase take to pay for itself? It obviously depends on how much you drive, but 46mpg in the Hybrid is alot better than 28mpg in the gas only.
All the Toyotas have the standard warranty too, 6 year/100k miles, with the drivetrain covered.
Hybrids seem a much more logical choice until full electric can be perfected.
Me...I'll keep driving my Ford F-150, lol
 
sixpack577 said:
A friend of mine has a Toyota Highlander Hybrid, and 2 of my coworkers have the Camry Hybrid, and the Rav-4 Hybrid.
All are 2023 models, and all have the same drivetrain.
The Camry and Rav-4 live 20-25 miles from work.
Hills, twisty, roads, and stop and go driving.
The Hylander about 20 miles of straight road and highway.
I ask all 3 of them seperately months ago what kind of gas mileage that they got.
All 3 said said 46mpg, and that is just driving everywhere, to work, short trips around home, and anywhere that they go.
My wife has a 2023 Rav-4 as well, only hers is the regular gas powered 4 cylinder.
She travels for work, Monday through Thursday, home nightly, but drives 30 minutes, an hour and a half, 2 hours, and 3 1/2 to 4 hours, depending on which building she needs to be in that day(the company pays her mileage).
I put gas in her car for her regulary, at the same gas station about a mile away, and the roads she travels are full of hills, turns, multiple speed limit changes, or just all highway.
It gets 28 mpg, and low 30's when we have done a few long just highway trips.
Her gas only Rav-4 has all the bells and whistles and the sticker was $37k.
My coworkers otherwise identical Rav-4 Hybrid was $46k.
So how long would the $9k increase take to pay for itself? It obviously depends on how much you drive, but 46mpg in the Hybrid is alot better than 28mpg in the gas only.
All the Toyotas have the standard warranty too, 6 year/100k miles, with the drivetrain covered.
Hybrids seem a much more logical choice until full electric can be perfected.
Me...I'll keep driving my Ford F-150, lol
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A neighbor two doors down has a Toyota Highlander hybrid as well and they are very happy with it....they had a Cadillac SUV before and this thing although larger gets far better mileage....

They also have an excellent maintenance package so costs are low....all until the package is complete in a couple years...then it will cost them.

This is the wife's car, he drives an F-150 Tremor....which is a pretty darned nice package in itself-one I would consider getting as well except they are everywhere around here....there are 5 in the area which are the exact same color as his...hard to know who to wave at.
 
Bumblebee said:
A neighbor two doors down has a Toyota Highlander hybrid as well and they are very happy with it....they had a Cadillac SUV before and this thing although larger gets far better mileage....

They also have an excellent maintenance package so costs are low....all until the package is complete in a couple years...then it will cost them.

This is the wife's car, he drives an F-150 Tremor....which is a pretty darned nice package in itself-one I would consider getting as well except they are everywhere around here....there are 5 in the area which are the exact same color as his...hard to know who to wave at.
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lol, I like the Tremors too, but they are very rare around here.
Every other model of the F-150, F-250 are all over, and Raptors aren't uncommon either.
 
Oz22 said:
My sister bought a toyota hybrid and told me that it recharges itself through regenerative braking. That's impossible I said? You'd have be traveling down hills for half your trip. Oh no! "The salesman told me" she said, "I think he would know a little more about it than you." So I went to the Toyota website and there plain as day it tells how it primarily recharges off the gasoline engine, the regenerative aspect being minimal. She didn't like to hear that, but like a good modern person she simply dismissed it as irrelevant.

Of course if you have even a basic understanding in electrical systems, work and energy, this is self-obvious, but there are millions of people on this planet devoid of any scientific knowledge, yet because they listen to marketing think they know it all. For months she bragged about it's fuel efficiency, how much better it was than the 2L car she drove previously. I began to explain about the gutless Atkinson-cycle engines they are built on and then gave up. What's the point.

True that combo engine of hers does what she needs, if she plants her foot the electric side kicks in as well and boosts the power substantially. All great if you live and drive across predominantly flat country as she does, but put that car in the mountains and it will be a different story all together. The battery pack will be depleted in short order and they take quite a while to recharge. Personally I think the hybrid vehicles have their place, and really come into their element in the city environment. But they are very complex machines, and at the end of the day the battery pack dies and you're left with a gutless second hand car worth $10k in need of a $10k battery replacement. We'll have to wait another 6 or 8 years to get a good idea how the secondhand market reacts to that reality. Interestingly the money she saves of fuel she spends on Organic fruit and vegetables. So I ask myself, if all the money coming in the door is still going out, what does the fuel saving side of it really add up to?
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I had a Prius and it was the joke of my buddies. They use to say I should match the Prius by selling my Busa and buying a Moped.

The batteries do charge through regenerative braking. Up to 70% of the energy used in braking is sent back into the battery. It depends how hard you are on the brakes and when the brake pads actually have to assist in stopping.

Best I ever got was 62mpg, but I had to really try. Normally it was around 50mpg. As far as the braking, I never replaced brake pads in 220,000 miles after I sold it.

Had it a tad over 10 years and we started praying that it would break down, so we can sell it for a new car. It never missed a beat though.

The new Prius is nothing to laugh at 0-60 in around 7 seconds.
 
sixpack577 said:
lol, I like the Tremors too, but they are very rare around here.
Every other model of the F-150, F-250 are all over, and Raptors aren't uncommon either.
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I'll bet there are at least 15 Tremors around here in the little area I live in....they look good and are reasonably priced....Raptors are a little more rare....I have a friend that has a '23 Raptor and was thinking of getting the type R but they wanted a boat-load of money and his Raptor...

I was really surprised at how many Ram TRX trucks there are around here......
 
jellyrug said:
I had a Prius and it was the joke of my buddies. They use to say I should match the Prius by selling my Busa and buying a Moped.

The batteries do charge through regenerative braking. Up to 70% of the energy used in braking is sent back into the battery. It depends how hard you are on the brakes and when the brake pads actually have to assist in stopping.

Best I ever got was 62mpg, but I had to really try. Normally it was around 50mpg. As far as the braking, I never replaced brake pads in 220,000 miles after I sold it.

Had it a tad over 10 years and we started praying that it would break down, so we can sell it for a new car. It never missed a beat though.

The new Prius is nothing to laugh at 0-60 in around 7 seconds.
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Whilst walking around the Toyota shop as it is next to the Ram dealership I checked out a new Prius and it is a spaceship.....

One thing I will say is Prius cars will hold value more than most...a lady was there trading in her used one for a new one and she mentioned to me that she was shocked at how much they gave her for the trade in....and the salesman told her it would be sold probably later that day as they already have a waiting list for used ones....
 
Bumblebee said:
Whilst walking around the Toyota shop as it is next to the Ram dealership I checked out a new Prius and it is a spaceship.....

One thing I will say is Prius cars will hold value more than most...a lady was there trading in her used one for a new one and she mentioned to me that she was shocked at how much they gave her for the trade in....and the salesman told her it would be sold probably later that day as they already have a waiting list for used ones....
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Used Toyota prices are just crazy.
Same guy with Hylander Hybrid, his wife has an '11 or '12 Tundra extended cab 4x4 that she bought new, 150k ish miles, and in great shape.
She said Toyota offered her $27k for it last summer!
I couldn't belive it, but truck prices especially are out of sight.
She refused, as she didn't want to sell or trade it anyway.
 
Bumblebee said:
I'll bet there are at least 15 Tremors around here in the little area I live in....they look good and are reasonably priced....Raptors are a little more rare....I have a friend that has a '23 Raptor and was thinking of getting the type R but they wanted a boat-load of money and his Raptor...

I was really surprised at how many Ram TRX trucks there are around here......
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I've only seen a few of those TRX's, and not very often either.
Cool trucks though.
 
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