EV vehicles

[BigBSBusa]

It's crazy just how many batteries are used by the military these days...

The largest order on any adrep was batteries next to ammo....

It got so we were carrying pounds and pounds of batteries for flash lights, night vision, optics, GPS, radios, sensors, detonators and other devices.....and they all used a different battery......we tried hard to get more equipment suppliers to use a common battery to no avail....
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I recall in the "day" during any winter operations or exercises, we'd carry our batteries in our jackets to keep them warm....we'd establish our net on our radio, then take the battery out and into our jackets until the next check in....

I sure don't miss that......

My last job in an airborne unit allowed me to spend lots of time on the operational side of acquisition. It was impossible to get manufacturers to understand that their profit was the least of the concerns of Soldiers that had to carry their items, especially batteries. Amazingly, batteries were always in high demand and never enough supply.

 

[Oz22]

This is a few months old but it sums things up nicely

 

[Bumblebee]

On my usual walking route a person has one of those battery powered autonomous lawnmowers that is like a big "Roomba."

Often times I will see it sitting in the middle of the lawn not doing anything so this morning I ran into the home owner...he said he bought it in April and it used to cut the entire front lawn before making it's way back to it's base unit to recharge, slowly over the summer it cut less and less and over the past month it ended up not having enough power to get back to the base unit to charge.

He called the company and they said it might need a new battery which he found out is almost half the total cost of the unit...when he told them what it was doing and how old it was they asked for him to check the percentage on the battery when charged. it was at 70% and they told him that is in the battery's tech perimeter.

I said maybe because the nights are colder that it needs to be in a warm place to recharge at night....he said he might build it an isolated house next year if it's still working....

I do know when it was working last summer, it would freak out the dog we walk because it was completely silent and moved really slow and kind of spooky.....

 

[Oz22]

Yes, build it a nice little house with gas powered heated floor, and on the hot days follow it around with an umbrella to keep it shaded. It's totally worth it because these things are carbon neutral and cost nothing to run and the batteries will last 10,000 mowing cycles (did I miss anything?)

 

[jellyrug]

This guy rides with me, loves his EV bike, but the manufacturer has gone belly up.

 

[Bumblebee]

This guy rides with me, loves his EV bike, but the manufacturer has gone belly up.

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Loving your bike is allowed....

What make is that bike?

I know a guy that has a Zero bike and really loves it........he knows it's range limitation and deals with it....when he first got it he could get around 150kms out of it, now he gets around 100kms....

 

[jellyrug]

Loving your bike is allowed....

What make is that bike?

I know a guy that has a Zero bike and really loves it........he knows it's range limitation and deals with it....when he first got it he could get around 150kms out of it, now he gets around 100kms....

I have done a few 100 mile round trips with him, he behaves though. Sticks to the posted speed limits.

Energica Motor Company - Wikipedia

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[TallTom]

Yes, build it a nice little house with gas powered heated floor, and on the hot days follow it around with an umbrella to keep it shaded. It's totally worth it because these things are carbon neutral and cost nothing to run and the batteries will last 10,000 mowing cycles (did I miss anything?)

Yes. You left out the part that anyone that doesn't endorse this thinking are just under educated and doesn't truly understand the problem.

 

[Bumblebee]

Honestly...........if an EV was as easy to recharge as it is to gas up an ICE or if it had at least as much range.....I'd be all over one...

I don't think EV need to be able to have high hp figures though....if they had the equivalent of current ICE, that's more than enough.

And if they were more like the EV F-150 and were more familiar to current users without all the touchscreens and had more tactile buttons, that would be even better....manufacturers are starting to go towards tactile buttons more and more as these touch screens suck....at least I know the one in the wife's Edge does.......sometimes you have to adjust heat and cooling on the fly and you HAVE to look at it to adjust any environmental controls as there's no tactile buttons...

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While I'm at it......ever notice that the Japanese bike manufacturers aren't coming out with any really viable EV motorcycles?

HD has it's failed Livewire but that's about it for the big name manufacturers.....

 

[TallTom]

Honestly...........if an EV was as easy to recharge as it is to gas up an ICE or if it had at least as much range.....I'd be all over one...

I don't think EV need to be able to have high hp figures though....if they had the equivalent of current ICE, that's more than enough.

And if they were more like the EV F-150 and were more familiar to current users without all the touchscreens and had more tactile buttons, that would be even better....manufacturers are starting to go towards tactile buttons more and more as these touch screens suck....at least I know the one in the wife's Edge does.......sometimes you have to adjust heat and cooling on the fly and you HAVE to look at it to adjust any environmental controls as there's no tactile buttons...

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While I'm at it......ever notice that the Japanese bike manufacturers aren't coming out with any really viable EV motorcycles?

HD has it's failed Livewire but that's about it for the big name manufacturers.....

I actually like the tech that Tesla does in the driver environment. Each manufacturer can look at screens, knobs etc. That's all relatively easy. My sisters Tesla has things like dog sitter mode. Summons function. Etc. That's all Tesla branding. Chevy can have its offering anyway they choose.

At the core is the drive line tech that is the debate. I agree with you in that they still have a lot to overcome before it's viable. As you pointed out they could make a 400hp version that would use far less battery energy to go a mile.

 

[Oz22]

I'm actually off for a ride on an e-bike tonight, I own a 2004 Giant NRS that some bloke had converted over with a Bafang 750W motor. Strictly speaking it's pedal assist but you can just as easily run it on the motor alone, 750W is three times what the average human body can pump out. I like to pedal along though, and typically on one of the low power settings, it has 5. The bike triples my range and at low power would run for hours. You wouldn't ride around out here at night on a motorcycle because of all the Roos but at 25km/h you're fine, plenty of warning.

It's windy tonight, gusts up to 20km/h, far too windy to go out on pedal power alone, a perfect night for it. So the e-bike has it's niche as far as I'm concerned. I don't resent the charging time or anything because I don't depend on it and don't want to go that far anyway. It's a novelty.

 

[Oz22]

Well that was the plan lol. There was no wind when I went out at 3am and as for peddling, well I did a bit
I haven't hardly ridden it but this morning I realized that I can get 43 km/h along the flats, 'Yahoo'. It was all speed runs I'm afraid, glad I had the clear safety glasses on. I think the weak point on these setups is the chain and sprockets so I worked my way up the gears (down?) and avoided straining the drivetrain. On the two steepish little hills I pulled it right up to the largest rear cog, a whopper, and only having one front ring, a smaller one at that, I was limited to about 10km/h. But on the flats up the highway, I gave it's legs. No cars at all at that time of the morning.

I noticed the seat is angled down a bit too much so I'll adjust that. I have two superBright headlights that run off their own dedicated Lipos for night riding. I fitted them just the other day and they tended to nod down, the thick rubber-band style retainers slipping on the mounting tube I'd installed. I came home, wrapped some self-amalgamating tape along the tube and went out again, no issues that time, and since I wasn't going to be out for too long, because I was throttling along so fast, I turned them both on which gave me an impressive look ahead. I believe there is a real place for e-bikes in the future as long as the global manufacturing chain can stay afloat to provide them. All this tech comes out of SE Asia, basically Taiwan and China. A nasty war etc could upset the apple cart quite effectively.

 

[jellyrug]

Well that was the plan lol. There was no wind when I went out at 3am and as for peddling, well I did a bit
I haven't hardly ridden it but this morning I realized that I can get 43 km/h along the flats, 'Yahoo'. It was all speed runs I'm afraid, glad I had the clear safety glasses on. I think the weak point on these setups is the chain and sprockets so I worked my way up the gears (down?) and avoided straining the drivetrain. On the two steepish little hills I pulled it right up to the largest rear cog, a whopper, and only having one front ring, a smaller one at that, I was limited to about 10km/h. But on the flats up the highway, I gave it's legs. No cars at all at that time of the morning.

I noticed the seat is angled down a bit too much so I'll adjust that. I have two superBright headlights that run off their own dedicated Lipos for night riding. I fitted them just the other day and they tended to nod down, the thick rubber-band style retainers slipping on the mounting tube I'd installed. I came home, wrapped some self-amalgamating tape along the tube and went out again, no issues that time, and since I wasn't going to be out for too long, because I was throttling along so fast, I turned them both on which gave me an impressive look ahead. I believe there is a real place for e-bikes in the future as long as the global manufacturing chain can stay afloat to provide them. All this tech comes out of SE Asia, basically Taiwan and China. A nasty war etc could upset the apple cart quite effectively.

How long have you been cycling?

When I was still young and pretty, I could do 40k TT in 52 minutes.

I’m no longer young and pretty, but you will have to shoot me, if you want to put me on an e-bike.

A pro sprinter can sprint at around 1600watts.

A pro rider can average around 400 watts.

For a KOM, most of us can still beat an e-bike.

 

[Oz22]

A pro sprinter can sprint at around 1600watts.

A pro rider can average around 400 watts.

For a KOM, most of us can still beat an e-bike.

impressive! With that big strong body of yours I bet you can outwash a modern washing machine too, I can just see you now over the tub, sloshing back and forth for an hour without even cracking a sweat.

 

[ROADTOAD1340]

I recently checked out one of these electric bikes , it was the 2017 version of Moto Parilla SUV VIP , and is 750w powered . It is only one in country , they usually only bring in the 250w version . I test rode it , but it was in rough condition , the gel coat was lifting from the carbon in a lot of places . The fella had not maintained the battery , and had not even had the tires inflated ready for my inspection . I liked it tho , 9 speeds 120nm torque , heavyish @ 35kg .

 

[jellyrug]

impressive! With that big strong body of yours I bet you can outwash a modern washing machine too, I can just see you now over the tub, sloshing back and forth for an hour without even cracking a sweat.

Actually, a hair dryer pulls around 700 watts, more than what a Tour De France pro can put out beyond 1 minute effort.

Over here our washing machines don’t slosh back and forth. You folks should really update to modern times.

 

[jellyrug]

For Bee, I think this will be way more suitable, see linky:

Longer range, no chance of running out of battery power.

Safe, won’t burn down his house.

Very affordable and won’t need an expensive battery replacement.

Character of an ICE, even better as it is two smoke.

Won’t over power the grid, so no chance of letting the whole neighborhood down.

Won’t burn down the whole town, should he crash.

Enough power in extreme cold weather, might actually warm him up.

Amazon.com

a.co

 

[Bumblebee]

For Bee, I think this will be way more suitable, see linky:

Longer range, no chance of running out of battery power.

Safe, won’t burn down his house.

Very affordable and won’t need an expensive battery replacement.

Character of an ICE, even better as it is two smoke.

Won’t over power the grid, so no chance of letting the whole neighborhood down.

Won’t burn down the whole town, should he crash.

Enough power in extreme cold weather, might actually warm him up.

Amazon.com

a.co

You laugh but that thing is pretty cool and you know you want one.......

There is a fellow around here with a similar kit (if not the same one) and he drives the cops nuts as there is no legislation against him using it........it sounds like a big mosquito and I used to hear it all the time buzzing up and down the road near me....

 

[Bumblebee]

There is a couple in my neighborhood who have a pair of e-bikes, they are both rather large people and most likely tell their doctor they are now out bicycling to lose weight however, they can go the entire length of my street on one revolution of the pedals...

These kinds of people should be riding conventional bicycles...

Years ago came across a soldier with an e-bike, I asked him about it and and he said he was just doing his part to save the environment and my reply was if that was true, he'd be riding a regular bicycle because there is nothing environmentally friendly about an e-bicycle because something somewhere is using energy to charge that battery...with a regular bicycle he provides the power which is better for him and the environment.

 

[jellyrug]

After Christmas, I normally see folks on new bicycles out riding. When looking at the kind of bikes and how people ride them, I already know, it’s a few rides and that is the end of it. Bike never gets ridden again.

We have an organization here though, where they end up for a good cause.

Project Santa of the Sandhills

Life is a beautiful ride and we strive to giveaway bicycles to children during the Christmas season.

projectsantaofthesandhills.org