EV vehicles

[Bumblebee]

Was in our capital city today and noticed there sure were a lot of Teslas running all over the place....

Saw a Plaid at the Suzuki dealership, the owner was going for a demo ride on a Spyder....

I got to look over his Plaid and he had it done up pretty mean looking...it was all blacked out and the only color were the red Brembo calipers...he said he has no problem dusting anything he has encountered on the streets so far...

Before he got the Plaid he had a Mercedes AMG (can't recall which model), and he said this Plaid would destroy that car....but it wasn't an inexpensive venture....

 

[RacingJake]

I'm waiting electric Trash Trucks, I got a bad feeling my Trash Bill will increase 10 times. I might just burn it in the backyard LOL !

 

[JeffSyh]

Was in our capital city today and noticed there sure were a lot of Teslas running all over the place....

Saw a Plaid at the Suzuki dealership, the owner was going for a demo ride on a Spyder....

I got to look over his Plaid and he had it done up pretty mean looking...it was all blacked out and the only color were the red Brembo calipers...he said he has no problem dusting anything he has encountered on the streets so far...

Before he got the Plaid he had a Mercedes AMG (can't recall which model), and he said this Plaid would destroy that car....but it wasn't an inexpensive venture....

I heard its boring over time though, press the pedal and go. You might be the quickest but is it fun though?

 

[Zerks]

Was in our capital city today and noticed there sure were a lot of Teslas running all over the place....

Saw a Plaid at the Suzuki dealership, the owner was going for a demo ride on a Spyder....

I got to look over his Plaid and he had it done up pretty mean looking...it was all blacked out and the only color were the red Brembo calipers...he said he has no problem dusting anything he has encountered on the streets so far...

Before he got the Plaid he had a Mercedes AMG (can't recall which model), and he said this Plaid would destroy that car....but it wasn't an inexpensive venture....

I could care less about owning an electric car. I had plenty of them when I was a kid and played with my HO scale cars at home and at the store. It was plenty of fun as my step dad managed a hobby store briefly in St Paul and I got to go to work with him and play with the cars for hours sometimes. This store had HO and 1/24th scale cars and ran on the big banked track that local kids rented time on.

I have driven a Tesla before but not the Plaid model. I was amazed at how planted it felt on the road and how nice it rode. Getting off the go pedal ( almost said gas pedal ) produced immiediate deceleration and would bring it to a stop without using the brake pedal. That no use of the brake pedal most of the time took a few minutes to get use too.

Petrol burning performance cars and motorcycles have soul... variance in atmospheric temps and pressure affect power and can make a guy happy to see a high pressure forecast combined with cool temps.... more power!

We have Teslas all over the place here... one of my neighbors has 2 of them.

 

[pcs]

just like people use to say about the horseless buggy, no soul. check out those horseless “EV.”

https://www.hemmings.com/stories/article/truly-horseless-1896-roberts-electric

 

[Bumblebee]

I heard its boring over time though, press the pedal and go. You might be the quickest but is it fun though?

I've read they will out perform their chassis and brakes pretty easily.....it's has supercar speed but not the stability of a supercar...

Some of the moto journalists reported the car (Plaid) would get really unstable at higher speeds.

 

[Bumblebee]

I could care less about owning an electric car. I had plenty of them when I was a kid and played with my HO scale cars at home and at the store. It was plenty of fun as my step dad managed a hobby store briefly in St Paul and I got to go to work with him and play with the cars for hours sometimes. This store had HO and 1/24th scale cars and ran on the big banked track that local kids rented time on.

I have driven a Tesla before but not the Plaid model. I was amazed at how planted it felt on the road and how nice it rode. Getting off the go pedal ( almost said gas pedal ) produced immiediate deceleration and would bring it to a stop without using the brake pedal. That no use of the brake pedal most of the time took a few minutes to get use too.

Petrol burning performance cars and motorcycles have soul... variance in atmospheric temps and pressure affect power and can make a guy happy to see a high pressure forecast combined with cool temps.... more power!

We have Teslas all over the place here... one of my neighbors has 2 of them.

I read in the same article I quoted to @JeffSyh that after a few hard runs the car would go into a "cool down mode" and would basically shut down as the batteries overheat after hard runs. I think this was mentioned in a video where Chris Moore raced a gen 3 against a Plaid...

I know if I run my electric RC truck too hard it gets really, really hot...it melted wires before and I have a ceramic heat sink to stop this (or try to).

I would say ambient air temperature will affect the EV as much as the system will have a hard time cooling in high humidity or the like if the EV is pushed...I know extreme cold really affect them.

 

[RacingJake]

What if all gas car's had to refuel everyday do you think there would be long lines at the pumps and they would run out of gas ? OK say Gas is banned and everybody drives EV's and charged them up everyday, do you think your EV will used more KWH's than your house does with the AC on ? Most families have more than one car now going to work, school, shopping, etc. It just doesn't add up where that power is going to come from.

 

[Bumblebee]

What if all gas car's had to refuel everyday do you think there would be long lines at the pumps and they would run out of gas ? OK say Gas is banned and everybody drives EV's and charged them up everyday, do you think your EV will used more KWH's than your house does with the AC on ? Most families have more than one car now going to work, school, shopping, etc. It just doesn't add up where that power is going to come from.

My wife and I have had lots of discussions about EVs...

She even mentioned home AC and how we've had rolling brown outs in the past because the power provider was struggling during the hot days...

Throw in people charging EV which is like running a dryer or home AC and how will that affect the aging power grid?

And when EV becomes mainstream and starts aging out, who is going to be changing, collecting and recycling the old batteries which are heavy and dangerous to transport....

 

[wreckwriter]

My wife and I have had lots of discussions about EVs...

She even mentioned home AC and how we've had rolling brown outs in the past because the power provider was struggling during the hot days...

Throw in people charging EV which is like running a dryer or home AC and how will that affect the aging power grid?

And when EV becomes mainstream and starts aging out, who is going to be changing, collecting and recycling the old batteries which are heavy and dangerous to transport....

Obviously they'll have to modernize the power grid when and if evs become more common. I think it'll be a good thing but I think it's decades away

 

[Bumblebee]

Obviously they'll have to modernize the power grid when and if evs become more common. I think it'll be a good thing but I think it's decades away

We'd like to think this is obvious....but I have my doubts as governments are playing the EV harp but not putting any sort of effort into the power grid....

I shudder to think of how the EV charging dilemma will affect a city as big as New York...

 

[michael parris heuberger]

My wife and I have had lots of discussions about EVs...

She even mentioned home AC and how we've had rolling brown outs in the past because the power provider was struggling during the hot days...

Throw in people charging EV which is like running a dryer or home AC and how will that affect the aging power grid?

And when EV becomes mainstream and starts aging out, who is going to be changing, collecting and recycling the old batteries which are heavy and dangerous to transport....

Hi. Do not get up set the USA will soon ɓe banning AC. Joe said the will plenty of power for them.

 

[ottafish]

Wanker EV owner: “it’s the best thing ever. Only takes 30mins to fast charge.”

Fails to mention the 3 other cars all waiting for a charger point. 30mins to charge, 90mins to get access to the charger..

 

[pcs]

here is a 31 day snap shot of the cost of electricity to drive an EV which includes a 290 mile road trip. the car is driven approximately 4x per week. all the naysayers cry about charge times but they never mention the time you save not stopping at a gas station because the car can charge over night while you sleep. if your daily commuting is less than 200 miles, then you can charge at home every night. at least with my EV and im not fully charging the battery. i dont worry about warm up times for the engine when its cold out and in the summer i turn the a/c on before i get in car from my phone, so time is saved elsewhere.

 

[jellyrug]

So my guess is that would have been around $150 for the same mileage in a gas vehicle?

From a cost comparison viewpoint, it appears as if EV runs around 105 miles per gallon compared to IC for energy costs only.

Toyota is working hard on a hydrogen internal combustion motor, for the die hards, but my guess is an electrical vehicle is much simpler with a lot less moving parts and maintenance.

Most utility companies are working hard at preparing for the EV boom, it means a lot of revenue from the oil companies will switch to the utility companies.

If you are a long term investor, look at lithium and copper.

 

[ottafish]

For my 2c, I think EV as a mode of transport is a temporary or stop gap measure. It may be for many years, but I don't think the current way of thinking is a long term thing..
I think in my lifetime, there will be a shift to some other form of fuel for transport.

 

[Bumblebee]

here is a 31 day snap shot of the cost of electricity to drive an EV which includes a 290 mile road trip. the car is driven approximately 4x per week. all the naysayers cry about charge times but they never mention the time you save not stopping at a gas station because the car can charge over night while you sleep. if your daily commuting is less than 200 miles, then you can charge at home every night. at least with my EV and im not fully charging the battery. i dont worry about warm up times for the engine when its cold out and in the summer i turn the a/c on before i get in car from my phone, so time is saved elsewhere.

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I believe things will drastically change if and when EV become mainstream....right now there is probably a very low percentage of EV drain on the power grid, when this demand goes ballistic, so will the price of electricity....once the government and power companies have the population by the scruff......all bets are off then.

EV makes zero sense here in the cold country where the weather can change in a very short time....like all things which requires some sort of power source (EV, ICE) winter is hard on components and power usage...keeping the thing warm enough to see out the windows and negating wheel spin from ice, snow build up and slush suck the power out of them.

A friend of mine with a Tesla S said he loses a huge percentage of power in the winter.....add into that, he can't charge it in his garage due to insurance reasons, can't park it in enclosed or underground parking for the same reasons and he is quickly losing his love for the car...and he paid some outrageous price for it...he could have bought a few Honda Civics for the price of this thing.

I'm dubious of the EV trend.....those Li mines are nasty places and are limited to a certain climate and copper and Li are not renewable energy sources either...

And how will the spent Li batteries be recycled? Even at any percentage of power they are very dangerous to transport anywhere and are very volatile when ignited...if you had a train full of Li batteries that caught fire, it could never be put out and the heat Li puts out when burning is incredible...

....and all that being said, we will still need petroleum to make these EVs as well as transporting them and their parts all over the place to their factories and dealerships...

and until there is some sort of power grid update which will cost trillions upon trillions and take many years, coal fired power plants are taking up the slack...the carbon footprint just keeps on climbing as more and more subdivisions and buildings are being added to the current power grid and it's struggling to keep up to those.

 

[jellyrug]

I believe things will drastically change if and when EV become mainstream....right now there is probably a very low percentage of EV drain on the power grid, when this demand goes ballistic, so will the price of electricity....once the government and power companies have the population by the scruff......all bets are off then.

EV makes zero sense here in the cold country where the weather can change in a very short time....like all things which requires some sort of power source (EV, ICE) winter is hard on components and power usage...keeping the thing warm enough to see out the windows and negating wheel spin from ice, snow build up and slush suck the power out of them.

A friend of mine with a Tesla S said he loses a huge percentage of power in the winter.....add into that, he can't charge it in his garage due to insurance reasons, can't park it in enclosed or underground parking for the same reasons and he is quickly losing his love for the car...and he paid some outrageous price for it...he could have bought a few Honda Civics for the price of this thing.

I'm dubious of the EV trend.....those Li mines are nasty places and are limited to a certain climate and copper and Li are not renewable energy sources either...

And how will the spent Li batteries be recycled? Even at any percentage of power they are very dangerous to transport anywhere and are very volatile when ignited...if you had a train full of Li batteries that caught fire, it could never be put out and the heat Li puts out when burning is incredible...

....and all that being said, we will still need petroleum to make these EVs as well as transporting them and their parts all over the place to their factories and dealerships...

and until there is some sort of power grid update which will cost trillions upon trillions and take many years, coal fired power plants are taking up the slack...the carbon footprint just keeps on climbing as more and more subdivisions and buildings are being added to the current power grid and it's struggling to keep up to those.

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Tesla Model S dominates in extreme cold-weather testing in Norway

The Tesla Model S set a new record for distance traveled in tough winter conditions after extensive testing in Norway.

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How Prone Are Electric Cars to Catching Fire?

Are electric vehicles a bigger fire hazard than gasoline-powered cars or we just don't know enough about it?

www.crsautomotive.com

 

[fallenarch]

This is interesting. I have also heard rumblings that batteries aren't the key to the future of non-ICE vehicles. Personally, I think electric is the better option simply because utilities are already under government control. I would hate for some private energy company to get the power over our wallets that healthcare has.

Toyota's CEO isn't fully sold on electric cars — and he says a 'silent majority' is on his side

Toyota boss Akio Toyoda thinks there's still a place for hybrids and that going all-in on EVs would be a big mistake.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[michael parris heuberger]

This is interesting. I have also heard rumblings that batteries aren't the key to the future of non-ICE vehicles. Personally, I think electric is the better option simply because utilities are already under government control. I would hate for some private energy company to get the power over our wallets that healthcare has.

Toyota's CEO isn't fully sold on electric cars — and he says a 'silent majority' is on his side

Toyota boss Akio Toyoda thinks there's still a place for hybrids and that going all-in on EVs would be a big mistake.

www.businessinsider.com

Hi. What will we do with all of the batteries? They at this time can not be recycled. I have seen a few catch on fire but I have also seen a gas cars catch on fire too.